I enjoy Roddy Forsyth’s articles and broadcasts but I’m staggered at today’s article in The Telegraph. The initial headline read “Scottish clubs fear bankruptcy if Rangers are stripped of titles for tax avoidance”, but was amended to “SPL (sic.) clubs fear they will be hurt financially themselves if Rangers stripped of titles”.
Justification for this claim lies with the fact that clubs who lost a cup final to Rangers during their tax evasion (not avoidance) era, may have to pay a win bonus to players, which would be enough to tip them into bankruptcy.
These clubs would, we are told, prefer to sit tight as runners up, than be awarded a cup win. One chairman told Roddy, “Celtic might be able to afford that but nobody else could”.
Nobody else could afford a win bonus, so let’s not impose the unwelcome burden of winning on them! Consider what that makes supporters of these clubs!
Another chairman told Roddy, “my view is that the EBT scheme was questionable and maybe even reckless from the start but they were given expert advice and they acted on it”. “Questionable”, “reckless”, I think the word you’re looking for is illegal. Paul Baxendale-Walker’s expert advice was only one aspect of his flamboyant commercial undertakings.
Documentation was also hidden from HMRC, the SFA and SPL, and as ‘Mr Black’ told the Tax Tribunal, the ruse was designed to recruit better players. Who win more trophies.
Falkirk, Queen of the South, Dundee, St Mirren, Dundee United, Motherwell and Ayr United all lost finals to an EBT-fuelled Rangers, as well as Celtic, of course. Let’s hear from any of them who don’t want the matter formally examined. And let the door slam on their backside on the way out of competitive sport. Forget what’s happening in Russia, this is going on TODAY in Scotland!
If any of these clubs are campaigning for Rangers to keep their EBT trophies, it’s important their fans know about it. Roddy doesn’t suggest his two chairmen-sources come from any of these clubs, in fact, he describes them as “SPL” chairmen, the former name for our top flight.
So who are they?
Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hearts can all be excluded from consideration. Think what you like about any of these clubs, but I cannot imagine any of their chairpersons considering this nonsense. Which leaves:
Kilmarnock. Michael Johnston is no longer chairmen, that role is fulfilled by Jim Mann.
Partick Thistle: David Beattie.
Motherwell: Brian McCafferty.
Inverness: Kenny Cameron.
Dundee: Bill Colvin.
Hamilton: Les Gray.
Ross County: Roy MacGregor.
St Johnstone: Steve Brown.
To the horror of Accies fans, in 2012 Les Gray said “SFL clubs should not be put in the position to vote on something which may destroy Scottish Football”. I wonder what Les is saying off the record now.
The Brown family have chaired St Johnstone through many issues, but their fans were off the mark quickly in 2012 to let Steve know their thoughts the last time Scottish football faced a decision to follow the rules, or not.
Roy MacGregor bristled with irritation when others tried to influence him in 2012. He has a reputation of knowing his own mind.
I don’t know anything about Bill Colvin, Kenny Cameron, Brian McCafferty, David Beattie or Jim Mann, but I suspect the names of both Roddy’s chairmen are on this page.
You’ll never read a better insight into why corruption was allowed to fester in our game than the glimpse available in today’s Telegraph, or that it remains endemic. Scottish football cannot be a comfortable haven for lawbreaking.
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Stefan misses a sitter !
JUNGLE JIM
Tell ACGR he can shove in a flounce team.
H.H Mick
MM
Forster
McGrain McNeill van Djik Kennedy
Johnstone Murdoch Brown Connelly
Larsson Sutton
Subs: Dalglish, McStay and Auld.
Everyone concentrating on the amounts hidden within the side letters.
I’d like to know, what was exactly declared to the SFA for each individual player?
For example – Claudio Cannigia apparently benefitted from £20k per match through an EBT. Would the figure declared to the SFA be less or more than that figure?
Best guess, it would be less & if that was replicated across the board. Then nobody championing for keeping titles would have a leg to stand on.
fabulous posts tonight bhoys
Between work and the time difference, I haven’t had the chance to read back ….so, what have I missed?
Has anyone told TD67 that I solved the mineshafter/heppy clapper divide, and now that we are all friends, that he has to buy me a beer when I am next in Scotland?
See Hungary 1 up away to Norway today….. a 0-1 result tomorrow as well would do nicely.
Agree with Itlaiabhoy @ 1:22 …. we need to box clever and need to use the media better
As always, when in doubt … ask yourself ‘what would the Godfather have done/?’ ….
Everything you need to know about life can be learned from the Godfather I and II … when they laughed at Michael’s suggestion that he kill Solazzo and the crooked cop , and said it couldn’t be done…
Michael Corleone: Tom, wait a minute. I’m talking about a cop that’s mixed up in drugs. I’m talking about a…a…a dishonest cop…a crooked cop who got mixed up in the rackets and got what was coming. That’s a terrific story. And we have newspaper people who are on the payroll, don’t we Tom?
[Tom nods]
Michael Corleone: And they might like a story like that.
Tom Hagen: They might, they just might.
Michael Corleone: [to Sonny] It’s not personal. It’s strictly business.
words to live by.
Yet another piece you might like to see. This is about Dave King’s apparent threats to other clubs tonight https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/11/12/the-king-of-retribution/
There should be a protest
Fans should walk out of all premiership games 5mins from the end
To show our togetherness on this
Anyone
Jungle Jim…
Acgr will be chapping at the bit to post, stubborn wee shite though :(
I know your lurking ;)
TeT
You are thriving in the Spanish climate!
Your recent posts have been excellent.
Only cos I agree 100% wi you. ;))
Just a wee tip to the SMSM…
If you really want to sell massive numbers of your publications, start telling the truth.
I think you might just find that you would struggle to keep up with demand.
GREENPINATA on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:53 AMGREENPINATA on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:53 AM
St Mungos Academy has a war memorial at their front door. It was moved from the original Parson St building to its existing location at Crownpoint Rd. ( a stonesthrough from Paradise) . St Mungos was run by the Marist order, the same order that Brother Walfred belonged to. Although you cannot belong to two orders at the same time the Marist order has very strong links with the Jesuit order.
Which as you know , has not only links with the Masonic order but was actually intrinsically involved with it.
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With respect, I think there is absolutely no truth in the assertion that there are links,as you put it,between the Jesuit Order and the Masonic order.Unless you mean links of mutual suspicion and mistrust.
Couple of points from today:
First DCK
Really? CUMBIE YA BASS, come ahead…
Second ICT Profit
How much of that was derived from additional income from appearing in a Cup Final last year?
Third EBT Trust
Wonder how some erudite CQNers might find a way to become trustees over a period of time? If that were possible they could then issue recalls to a whole raft of EBT loans, repayable on demand.. Now that would be some craic. Trusts always need trustees…
HH
Melbourne Mick…. A late entry only players that I witnessed wearing the hoops
Boruc
McNamara Elliot Reiper Boyd
Di Canio, Burns Lennon McStay Lubo
Larsson
My team is the modern day 2 at the back, 2 flying full backs with Lenny & TB holding, the Maestro supplying Lubo, Paulo and Henrik …..
On the bench …. McAvennie, Nakamura & Cadette
My team = goals ….. Cadette gets the subs jersey to prove Farry was also cheating back in the 90s
Kings statement about the standard of player is irrelevant.
They incorrectly registered players.
The punishment for that is a 3-0 defeat.
This is what we should be focusing on.
Every time an incorrectly registered player was fielded ,the result should be changed to 3-0 for the opposition.
TT
The Lying Contradictory King is a really poor liar. Bad memory brings all liars down.
Funny as feck laughing at their type though.
mea culpa …. more wise words from another wise man … Noam Chomsky…
“The major media-particularly, the elite media that set the agenda that others generally follow-are corporations “selling” privileged audiences to other businesses. It would hardly come as a surprise if the picture of the world they present were to reflect the perspectives and interests of the sellers, the buyers, and the product. Concentration of ownership of the media is high and increasing. Furthermore, those who occupy managerial positions in the media, or gain status within them as commentators, belong to the same privileged elites, and might be expected to share the perceptions, aspirations, and attitudes of their associates, reflecting their own class interests as well. Journalists entering the system are unlikely to make their way unless they conform to these ideological pressures, generally by internalizing the values; it is not easy to say one thing and believe another, and those who fail to conform will tend to be weeded out by familiar mechanisms.”
journalism, and the media, is for the most part specifically NOT about truth ….
the British Ministry of Information is alive and well….
Some great stuff on here today I tried eating soup earlier but it all ended up in my lap cause I was grinning so wide.. James Forrest’s piece was brilliant and I can’t wait to read part two.
One day someone should make a movie of this but a comedy movie because this latest episode has the comic timing of Victor Borga. or Rowan Atkinson
Our national broadcaster is a joke as well.
HH
Mike in Toronto.
.”Keep your Friends Close, but Your enimies Closer”..I Dislike When people youse That From The Godfather..Its Over Done To Bits…Its Like “Lucca Brazzi Sleeps with the Fishes” overdone….I Think theres a Bit when Don Vitto Chastises Sonny saying..” Never let anyone outside the Family Know What You Think”..Thats The way to Play It Regs The Huns..Say Nothing in Public…..They Will Hang Themselves..Bless..
BGX …
!. YOu dont have to say anything in public, in order to get your message across …. its all about boxing clever … using the media to our advantage …. that is the point And Celtic fail miserably on that score …..
2. More generally, NOTHING from the Godfather can be overdone! Dont make me come over there and sort you out ….. :)
Melbourne Mick…
When is the closing date?
I have been waiting to see what other posters have as their team and will juggle them about, as a lot of the games I was too pi****d to remember:(. HH
My Son goes to ST MUNGOS ACADEMY….Does That meen Hes a Mason?…..Jeezo….He never told Me…Im Gonna Kick his Hawn shakin ass
GERRYFAETHEBRIG
Because Paddymacoz and i are auld farts doesn’t mean our 14
came from days of yore lol, some of our , ahem, young members
contributed to our selection.
Like your team though.
h.H Mick
TT
We must steer talk away from the unsporting advantage red herring and focus on their improperly registered players. That is where the cheating lay. In the boardroom.
Strip and redistribute the stolen titles. You and I spent personal thousands home and away watching a cheat beat us. I will raise 5 glasses when our 5 stolen titles are returned to the rightful owner.
Hail Hail
ADI_DASLER on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 9:18 PM
Off topic….trivial but..
Why dont celtic update their app to show All results ?
Emailed them and told it will be done at some point !
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why dont rangers update their app to show all their clubs
thetimreaper on 12th November 2015 9:04 pm
Hard fought victory at 5s tonight, Was impressed when you stepped up to 2nd and then 3rd gear when we needed it. Cant wait for you hit 4th and 5th :-)
New Bhoy hit a few goals as well.
HH
CRC
James Forrest.
I’m rubbish at reading long novels. Can you just post me the last chapter so I can see what happens in the end.
Many thanks.
TB is better than SS
Sipsini
Sunday.
Know what you mean about being pashed at the games
as i used to waken up on the bus travelling back from
Dundee or whatever and start ranting about some
player being motm and they weren’t even playing.
Those were the days my friend.
H.H Mick
Mike in Toronto…Laughed at that man..Bless :)
BGX…
I can see you waking up with a mooses heid in your bed…aka MIT.
BGX on 12th November 2015 9:57 pm
Send him to Garnethill pronto.
DD … how ya doing?
Agree that we should focus on the loss of points …. only thing is…. and this is very preliminary … assume that the zombies get stripped of their points for every game in which an improperly reigstered player played …. in 2004/05, Juninho played 14 games for us …. assuming we won those games ( I haven’t gone back to check if, in fact, that is accurate … but assuming it is … Zombies lose all points, we lose 42 from our 92, and end up with 50, while Hibs that years finished thrid with 61 … so unless we lose several games with Juninho in the line up…. Hibs might actually have won the league that year.
Almore on 12th November 2015 9:00 pm –
I have your season ticket from Thunder Road. Are you over for the game on 21st?
HH
CRC
Sipsini…Laughing…
Adi Dasler at 7.06, Shug going on about refs being fast tracked
His son went from being fourth official at the 2012 junior cup final to being placed on the SFA’s UEFA/FIFA referee list in late 2014. Him being fast tracked hasn’t done his bank balance any damage despite being as bad a match official as his dad.
Dallas Junior did a league game on the Saturday, was one of the officials at the infamous Caley semi then reffed the Hibs game the following Tuesday. He made over a grand for those three games.
The exiled tim is right , deal with and clear out the sfa and refs , first.
Melbourne Mick
If my father was still here (by the way he was auld Mick) he wouldn’t pick a best 11 without George Connolly in it, as a wee bhoy that is the one player I wish I had saw play, saw the Jinky video, heard all the other stories about old players, but ma Da probably spoke more about George Connolly and what he could have been, probably spoke more about GC than even any of the Lions….
Bit of an ole watershed day in The Saga.
The Dave King statement is beautiful.
A masterpiece of idiocy that will backfire on him big time.
I actually burst out laughing when I read it.
Coupled with Green’s lawyer nailing the one club myth in court, well there you go.
Double whammy.
Like jelly.
And ice cream.
The bleating this past week has been monumental, or maybe that should just read MENTAL.
The Hunwhistlers have been out in force singing , sometimes in incredibly high voices – take a bow, Richard Wilson, castrato – from the same hymn sheet.
They done nothing wrong, they say.
A big Non Real Rangers Man done it and he ran away.
Total effin guff and begging to differ.
King’s stupid little hand grenade only serves to unite more clubs against The Mighty Glasgow Rioters.
Mmmm, where’s yon level5 when ye need them ?
They have totally lost the plot.
And are running scared.
Now for them titles.
Serious jail time.
And more.
Hey, well what d’ya know ?
They are funny again.
I love it.
mike in toronto,
Was Juninho improperly registered with the SFA?
cv