I enjoy Roddy Forsyth’s articles and broadcasts but I’m staggered at today’s article in The Telegraph. The initial headline read “Scottish clubs fear bankruptcy if Rangers are stripped of titles for tax avoidance”, but was amended to “SPL (sic.) clubs fear they will be hurt financially themselves if Rangers stripped of titles”.
Justification for this claim lies with the fact that clubs who lost a cup final to Rangers during their tax evasion (not avoidance) era, may have to pay a win bonus to players, which would be enough to tip them into bankruptcy.
These clubs would, we are told, prefer to sit tight as runners up, than be awarded a cup win. One chairman told Roddy, “Celtic might be able to afford that but nobody else could”.
Nobody else could afford a win bonus, so let’s not impose the unwelcome burden of winning on them! Consider what that makes supporters of these clubs!
Another chairman told Roddy, “my view is that the EBT scheme was questionable and maybe even reckless from the start but they were given expert advice and they acted on it”. “Questionable”, “reckless”, I think the word you’re looking for is illegal. Paul Baxendale-Walker’s expert advice was only one aspect of his flamboyant commercial undertakings.
Documentation was also hidden from HMRC, the SFA and SPL, and as ‘Mr Black’ told the Tax Tribunal, the ruse was designed to recruit better players. Who win more trophies.
Falkirk, Queen of the South, Dundee, St Mirren, Dundee United, Motherwell and Ayr United all lost finals to an EBT-fuelled Rangers, as well as Celtic, of course. Let’s hear from any of them who don’t want the matter formally examined. And let the door slam on their backside on the way out of competitive sport. Forget what’s happening in Russia, this is going on TODAY in Scotland!
If any of these clubs are campaigning for Rangers to keep their EBT trophies, it’s important their fans know about it. Roddy doesn’t suggest his two chairmen-sources come from any of these clubs, in fact, he describes them as “SPL” chairmen, the former name for our top flight.
So who are they?
Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hearts can all be excluded from consideration. Think what you like about any of these clubs, but I cannot imagine any of their chairpersons considering this nonsense. Which leaves:
Kilmarnock. Michael Johnston is no longer chairmen, that role is fulfilled by Jim Mann.
Partick Thistle: David Beattie.
Motherwell: Brian McCafferty.
Inverness: Kenny Cameron.
Dundee: Bill Colvin.
Hamilton: Les Gray.
Ross County: Roy MacGregor.
St Johnstone: Steve Brown.
To the horror of Accies fans, in 2012 Les Gray said “SFL clubs should not be put in the position to vote on something which may destroy Scottish Football”. I wonder what Les is saying off the record now.
The Brown family have chaired St Johnstone through many issues, but their fans were off the mark quickly in 2012 to let Steve know their thoughts the last time Scottish football faced a decision to follow the rules, or not.
Roy MacGregor bristled with irritation when others tried to influence him in 2012. He has a reputation of knowing his own mind.
I don’t know anything about Bill Colvin, Kenny Cameron, Brian McCafferty, David Beattie or Jim Mann, but I suspect the names of both Roddy’s chairmen are on this page.
You’ll never read a better insight into why corruption was allowed to fester in our game than the glimpse available in today’s Telegraph, or that it remains endemic. Scottish football cannot be a comfortable haven for lawbreaking.
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Gary67..Does Majority Rule…Serious Question…
Dave King.live from planet Janet;
http://youtu.be/zKhEw7nD9C4
Westies
Glib and shameleless liar, tax cheat, criminal, braggart, contradictory buffon…………..
He’s a True Rangers man in deed and mind.
I also believe that BDO will not appeal, but I believe SDM will. He desperately needs to hold on to some credibility amongst the hordes and to be seen to be taking this “all the way” will enhance his street cred. I also believe (tin helmet on) he has a chance of success; the FTT and UTT decisions were taken by tax experts while the CoS decision was based on a “common sense” interpretation of EBTs. There has to be a chance that the Supreme Court will decide that he law is the law, and common sense doesn’t come into it.
King’s statement seems to be trying to provoke a reaction from others mainly us. I’m sure it was Poincare who,when Germany demanded to know France’s reaction to potential war stated ‘France will consult it’s own interests.” They are trying to start a war so they can get their fans on board and strike fear into all.Paul’s right.Cards close to chest and let them make statement after statement.Give them enough rope.
Goodnight Timland.
Apparently the word has got about that I
said something aboot the hun and fiduciary,
don’t even know wit it means, anyway I’ve got
a dozen angry blood thirsty hun at the door.
thiswonttakelongCSC.
James Forrest on 12th November 2015 7:49 pm
brilliantly put together well done big fella
Tempted to comment on Glib’s latest fiasco of a statement. However, bearing in mind that Mike Ashley is on a mission to remove his as Chairman of Sevco, I’m not going to bother. Nothing more than the last ramblings of a dead man walking.
Kings Statement is like Lance Armstrong saying, If I hadn’t taken Drugs, I’d simply have trained harder and I’d have won the races anyway.
The Judge who called him a Glib & Shameless Liar is my hero, never was a truer word spoken.
Ming is panicking big time ….. He knows things are getting away from him, and he is now playing the ‘anger’ ticket ….. roll on, 2nd December
Quonno…
You never know maybe David Murray will appeal !
Then again, he’s hanging out with Lord Lucan now, whilst readying a bid to save the metal companies:)
I Dont Wanna Clap before The Fat Lady Has Done Her Thing, But im Convinced the huns are bang in trouble on This…Just My thoughts…
Dave king has reacted to social media again.This man wanted to try and resurrect Oldco because Celtic fans were teasing them about their demise on the internet? Aye right. Truth hurts.
shameless repost.
Hugh Dallas says Scottish referees are among the best in Europe; that’s because Scottish referees are good at what they do – subtly manipulating games to achieve a desired end result. Some of them have been doing it for years. And that’s why they get games outside Scottish football, the kind of games that need to end in a certain way or the kind of games during which certain pre arranged things need to happen. They must be among the “go to” guys when you need teams from the big footballing countries to progress.
Hugh Dallas may well say Scottish referees are among the best and mean what he says, but the best at what? I think his words will mean different things to different people.
Hungary 1 up
Don’t you think it’s beyond bizarre ?
Here we have a football organisation, being caught bang to rights, but somehow contriving to ignore the purpose of a sport.
There’s few things that would stop me supporting Celtic. If we were acting like this my haw-maws would shrivel and retract at the shame and humiliation.
Think it’s amazing how no Rangers supporter (in my experience) acknowledges what a 5 year old would conclude.
Sipsini… There are no grounds for appeal, and they all know that……they’re just playing for time ( to stir up the Hunhordes, and to muddy the waters) …HH
Phyllis Dietrichson on 12th November 2015 8:04 pm
If I may, I think that it is only the parties or their representatives to the appeal that can apply to appeal further. ON the one side, HMRC clearly won’t appeal. On the oterh side, as one of the companies is in liquidation then it is only that company’s liquidators – BDO – who have the opportunity here. Of course, BDO as liquidators are trying to secure the best deal for the creditors. And the largest of those creditors is……..?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
ps Good evening friends ;-)
Phyllis D and Sipsini
SDM is not a named party in this matter and cannot appeal.
In addition he wants to distance himself from anything rangers as quickly as his white horse will take him.
Bit of a shame as it would be a wheeze seeing a front page with SDM, Charls, Whytey and Glibby all pictured side by side.
Chuckles seems to have been cured of Rangersitis.
His lawyer certainly seems to know what Sevco are, as in a new club.
GASL trying his hardest to get a response from Celtic he can attack!
On this occasion, Napoleon had a point.
Question….When Will the SMSM turn Their Backs on King?…And Remember…No one Ever again Wants A Keith Jackson ” Wealth of the Radar” Moment on Their CV….It WILL come coz the huns are The Titanic…Only Way is Down…
Some strike there by the Hun(garian)s. Stefan’s mob go 1 down.
Can’t remember who posted the comparison of the Pretendy Bears being like a scarecrow taking a pee in a field, with their stupid arguements.
Had a real laugh at work today..so thanks.
Thanks
Its a sad fact up here but given the Media comments etc. I think we all know this is coming down to WHO can make the proper judgement without being threatened.
Its unfortunate UEFA are full of bawbags (Dallas great example) but I think it needs an independent investigation by persons who have nothing to do with clubs up here.
Hmmmm….
Eh …..FBI ?
FBI crowdfunding ?
King’s statement tonight is astonishing. He has admitted Rangers oldco signed players using EBT’s they otherwise may not have. The cat is out the bag courtesy of the Glibster himself.
The assertion that they would have found another way to pay for them is like me stealing something from a shop, and then asking pc plod to let me off because I had the means to pay for it if I had to.
If ever there was a case for Celtic staying schtum, it’s now. The glib one is starting a fight in an empty room.
Smashed up furniture and ornament everywhere.
Never interrupt your enemy……………….
Hang on…
Regan and King look like brothers..
Has anyone seen them in the same room together?
Jobo – Murray’s companies are also represented as the losers in this case, along with BDO.
RWE – much as I would also love to see those four grouped together they are taking part in three different cases; SDM in the EBT case, Charlie and Craigy bhoy in the fraudulent acquisition case, and GASL in the Ashley/gagging case.
SOUTHSIDE
..100%..Agree…Bless
come to think of it , did sebo get an ebt ? the sporting advantage argument be might out the window with that one
Appeals from the Court of Session in Scotland
1.7 An appeal lies to the Court from any order or judgment of a court in Scotland if an
appeal lay from that court to the House of Lords at or immediately before 1 October 2009.
1.8 As a general rule, permission to appeal is not required from an interlocutor of the Inner
House of the Court of Session on the whole merits of the cause. The appeal must be filed
within 42 days of the date of the interlocutor appealed form; and the notice of appeal must be
signed by two Scottish counsel who must also certify that the appeal is reasonable.
1.9 As a general rule, permission to appeal is not required from an interlocutory judgment of
the Court of Session on where there is a difference of opinion among the judges or where the
interlocutory judgment is one sustaining a dilatory defence and dismissing the action. The appeal
must be filed within 42 days of the date of the interlocutor appealed from; and the notice of
appeal must be signed by two Scottish counsel who must also certify that the appeal is
reasonable.
1.10 Permission to appeal is required for an appeal to The Supreme Court against any
interlocutory judgment of the Court of Session that does not fall within para. 1.9, and only the
Inner House of the Court of Session may grant permission to appeal. A refusal by the Court of
Session to grant permission to appeal is final and no appeal may then be made to The Supreme
Court.
Lisbon Lions Upper…Great Example…Laughed At That…
RWE…
I’m sure I read somewhere that Murray and BDO have the right to appeal, feck, I need to keep off them Hun sites…
They’re a good laugh if you can stomach them , delusional, bitter and now suicidal :))
Phyllis
Indeed, but the timmy compositors/sub editors dream lives on.
If only we had the media with the gnads to put it together.
More dreams..
I’vehadtochangemyname –
I do realise that you were making a wee funny there ;-). But this whole ‘sporting advantage’ sideshow is really doing my nut in.
One of the most recent examples of cheating, sorry I mean slightly breaking the rules benefitted us (temporarilly) when Legia Warsaw listed an ineligible player. The player didn’t even come on (or came on in injury time when the game was effectively won). If ‘sporting advantage’ had to come into play we would not have been given anotehr chance (at not qualifying).
Spartans – signed a form once instead of twice. Sporting advantage – I’d say none yet they were kicked out of the Scottish Cup.
The issue here is nothing to do with sporting advantage. For me the thought process is quite simple –
1. Did Triggers Broom FC ever play an improperly registered player? (cough, side letters, cough)
2. Then this was against the rules – cheating!
3. Strip the titles and cups and give them to Asterisk
67 Heaven…
The past few years in the work has been magic… I’ve been accused of being a Hun hater, bigot, and a bully.
The scarecrows just keep on giving :)) HH