News that Dundee United will vote against allocating a place in next season’s SPL to Sevco confirms what we suggested yesterday, that sentiment has swung against the notion. Motherwell’s innovative idea of allowing fans (who have already expressed overwhelming opposition to the idea) a vote is further evidence that even hard-pressed clubs are prepared to make financially difficult decisions. Suggestions that the Motherwell board should grow a pair and take responsibility themselves have some merit.
Stewart Milne has denied BBC reports that Aberdeen have decided to vote against but I expect this is a matter of due process more than any genuine indecision.
There was a feeling this morning that matters could be brought to a head sooner than 4 July if enough clubs publicly declared against Sevco. This would suit Charles Green’s company as they would be able to prepare offers to Rangers players (who they are able to sign) knowing where they are likely to end up. If they are forced to wait until 4 July, Sevco will not know what squad requirements they will need for next season before making a decision on what Rangers players to offer employment to.
More than SPL football, Sevco need clarity. A rush to declare against them might seem harsh but it would be enormously beneficial rather than being forced to wait a further 12 days.
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The tide has well are truly turned.
Let’s hope it keeps going in the right direction.
Chairman Michael Johnston is encouraged by a five per cent rise in season ticket sales at Kilmarnock compared to the same period last year.
But he warns that the club will need an extra 1,000 fans at home games should a ‘newco’ Rangers not be admitted to the Scottish Premier League.
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Here is a warning, Mr Johnston, you will need an extra 1000 fans at home games should a `newco` Rangers BE admitted to the Scottish Premier League. Perhaps even more, as fans from other clubs that wanted to put integrity before money may just decide not to travel down to Rugby Park and buy pies.
In which case you`ll be able to sell them to the manager of your favourite team when they come calling.
OG by Kilmarnock chairman i think.
he has just cost the club big time!!
The Donkey is a gutless wonder. Campbell Ogilvie is even worse. I can’t even think of a suitable word to describe him.
What’s got me so riled is the fact that Dodo F.C ‘s ‘crew’ is still spouting ultra-violent threats like a cheap methamphetamine fuelled redneck whose wife has left him for parts unknown.
They make me want to boak.
SickOfTheCretins CSC.
I cant believe peope are still crediting doncaster with powers he doesnt have, he is the spl mouthpiece thats all.
This new found interest in the thoughts of the supporters is welcomed.
However, there is still that wee nagging doubt that wheels are in motion to create as soft a landing as possible.
Perhaps it is significant that Falkirk have made their statement.
If the views expressed there are echoed throughout the First Division, then indeed, coupled with the expected No vote of the SPL, then it looks like, maybe, that application for membership of the Third Division is their best and only hope.
I wish somebody would come and surgically remove me from my computer and i-Pad till it is all over!!
Kojo…
I think Foster is being disrespectful…
Even so,he has been given till the end of the month to sign….
Apparently,after that,the option to buy him for £2M lapses,and a larger fee would be required….
The keeper we had on trial last summer…Plietkosa?…has looked impressive in the Euros…pity we didn’t take the option to sign him on a Bosman..
Foster is soitenly no Flavour of The Month,hereabouts……
if and when the ,could be players of old co- newco fc are due to report for pre season training ,if said players turn up and take part in said training ,are they in their actions agreeing to play for said club ( TUPE ) ,
So do the players refuse to train so they can use the YES WE DO DO WALKING AWAY and are free agents ticket
next week should be interesting
Picked up some reflections on going to job interviews which even in the enlightened 1960’s was challenging.
In late 1968 I was labouring ( actually I was a Cooper’s assistant ) at the Long John whisky plant near Celtic Park. To a man all the coopers were Rangers men . I have no real evidence of this but it certainly felt like a closed shop. The only Catholics I encountered had labouring jobs like me.
Towards the end of that hard winter I decided that I would have no put my highers/ O levels to some use and get a white collar job. Now looking back on that time it was axiomatic that someone from my background would have to seek ways to play down or avoid the obvious issues. We all grew up with stories of job interviews and more probably declined job interviews. That was how things were and that was how things had been for my parents too.
I had no particular affiliation with the Catholic Church at that time. I suppose I was too interested in the politics of the 60’s and the injustices I could see in the world. The bigotry and prejudice which I knew existed in Scotland seemed small beer compared to the struggles in Vietnam,USA , South America or indeed N Ireland.
Nevertheless when I went along to my job interview at Scottish Amicable ( a now defunct mutual life company ) it was suggested that I had not completed the application form entirely. I had left out school and religion although included educational achievements. When replying that I had attended Holyrood school in Glasgow the interviewer actually wrote Roman Catholic ( a real giveaway that one ) on the form.
Times they were a- changing’ and I got the job. I also worked very hard and became, eventually that interviewers boss at which point I read the notes and heard the comments about my hire. They made a point of not employing ” left footers ” but occasionally ” standards had to be lowered to get the staff numbers “.
Over the years I left all that nonsense and prejudice behind me. They are small, insecure people but for very many years they lorded it over a poor uneducated immigrant community. Bit like the Rangers in sport. Gradually times changed. The impact of broader access to education was a key driver but so was the determination of people from my background- Catholic, Celtic, underprivileged – to succeed.
I believe others have drawn the difference between the two situations where the respective clubs of Celtic and Rangers have found themselves in difficult waters and the responses from their support base has been remarkably different. I absolutely believe that those responses were informed by the deep experience of Celtic people overcoming adversity whereas an entitlement culture exists within the ranks of Rangers and there was nothing they could do or muster to save their club.
Great fun watching it all unfold and hell mend them- they deserve it.
WGS
Marko Suler signed for Legia Warsaw. He and his agent confirmed that less than two years back Celtic wanted the player. When the talks were opened Marko Suler got injured.
Tell you what … we have two glimpses of the future here.
On one hand is the destruction I forecast earlier, but not visited on Rangers but on the whole game of football in Scotland. You can see that path if you close your eyes. Not only that, you can smell the seared metal and charred flesh. The wrong move here could utterly destroy the game in this country.
On the other hand, we might be standing on the verge of a new footballing paradigm where the Edinburgh and Dundee derbies are the high point of the season, where fan power triumphed over commercial interest even as two clubs become owned by the supporters. Scottish football’s global reputation will be enhanced massively, for having the courage to embrace change.
This really is a defining moment. Justice can be done, and in doing so it can transform the football landscape. This is that rare occasion when the right thing to do is also … the right thing to do.
Or injustice, cheating, corruption and fraud can triumph in an atmosphere of fear, in a series of grubby compromises and backroom deals, with the supporters utterly disefranchised and ignored.
Do these people grasp the enormity of this? Do they fully understand it?
Act with courage, guys, please. Transform our national game. Don’t destroy out of petty spite, fear or self interest.
What does soitenly mean? And who is Foster?
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the “probe” reported ordered by lord hodge is the result of what occurred a hearing today at the court of session re the ongoing administration.
the appointment of administrator involves a a “fiduciary duty” that is to say, a duty of good faith, and given the power of administrators, as indeed with liquidators, the standard is a high one, approxiamating to not only “bona fides” (good faith) but “”uberrimae fides” (utmost good faith).
the tv programme is not the most precipitating factor in the bench’s mind i believe, but rather the fact that the regulatory body for insovency practitioners is now investigating the matter, in particular the allegation of possible conflict of interest. the administrators are appointees of the court and must act in good faith qua that role.
this matter is exceptionally serious for duff and phelps since if the court deems the administration has been pursued wrongly the sanctions are draconian.
a further factor which is relevant here is that duff an phelps were appointed despite hmrc wishing alternative appointees. if the court has appointed a firm that has acted improperly, then lord hodge will not be best pleased, since the bench in appointing them placed trust with them in the face of opposition. it is one thing to make monkeys out of the spl/sfa, quite another to try it with a learned fellow of the bench of the court of session. let me guarantee you there will be no witholding of documents or other acting the goat here qua spl/sfa enquiries here.
!!Bada Bing!! on 22 June, 2012 at 16:48 said:
Disappointed that Kittoch is currently ahead of me in the Euro predictor,what he knows about football can be inscribed on an ant’s ba!!$ with a chisel.
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How are you doing in Kano league?
Old Rangers/ Newco – whatever – both are like the guy paddling up the creek in deliverance. They are getting it in ways they don’t want to get it. And there is no turning back now, no running away.
All we have now is waiting time.
Enjoy.
They are gone. Newco will not be far behind them.
I genuinely am beginning to believe that we will not see a genuine challenge from a club that looks like what rangers were in my lifetime (and if I live the average lifespan I have another 38 years to find out – which is actually quite frghtening!!! More done than I have to go…….. aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh …. better get off this lap top and start living it!)
Laters Dhudes and Dhudettes
who is Foster
bringtheholygoaliehomecfc
Has Green submitted his documentation pack to the SPL board yet?
The 2 bodies , SPL and SFL and their separate rules which do not cater for the Shame debacle is resulting in nowhere to go for them, as sporting integrity dictates they are banished from Scottish football.
Now Falkirk have chipped in with their tuppence worth, I expect the rest of the SFL to make their position known (5 minutes in the headlines for their Chairmen).
I expect another bunch of revelations to come out before the 12th July , to take the sting out of that particular day … Taking a punt here but guessing the FTT will report on Friday 6th July 2012 to allow the bears to reflect on their wrongdoing.
Pure conjecturecfc
Today, 07:32
Just completed a quick lurk on FF.
The thread opener from Dark Mingwall is just hillarious.
read below…..
” make good pals with all the other clubs” (in Div 3). I think they could count their ‘pals’ on no hands.
“put money in their pockets” “back to our roots”
This is all too much…. I need a lie down..
Sunburst Hx2
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Which league would you vote to be in
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Assuming the SPL don’t allow us in without sanctions what would you prefer to do.
Div 3 for me! Get us out clean – marks a real break with SDM and Craig Whyte.
While working our way up we make good pals with all the other clubs – put money in their pockets – it’s going back to our roots.
The game tonight is not going to be like that. Is it?
Greeks against Germans by Monty Python
So the SPL are going to hold a meeting with the clubs before the clubs meet on on July the 4th to vote on newcos application to join the SPL.How they must hate all the clubs that are saying no to newco and they will do as much as possible to influence a yes vote.What a sad bigoted wee country we live in anyone saying the meeting is to discuss who club 12 will be if the Rangers application fails are kidding themselves this is all about trying to exert pressure on the clubs voteing no.H.H.
BBC have just updated their article on ‘How will SPL Chairman vote?’ to reflect the last couple of days statements. On reading it appears the vote is currently
5 against (Us, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Hearts & Hibs)
4 Consulting fans/shareholders (St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Motherwell & Inverness)
1 No official comment (Ross county)
1 Stating he would like to see them punished (Steve Brown, St Johnstone)
1 For, guess who?
BBC – How will SPL chairman vote? Updated
In an effort to put things in perspective,up till now,and in recognition of the most heinous crimes ever committed by any football club,they have been fined 100k.When Celtic were found guilty of poaching Tommy Burns from kilmarnock,the punishment was a fine of,yep,you guessed it,100k,factoring in inflation,this means that,in the eyes of scottish football,we are the bigger sinners,and STILL,no sign of contrition from the most offensive club in british football history,kinda makes one boak
Who is Foster..Foste..Fost..Fos..Fo..F…?
A loanee who got lucky,but wanted even mair Buttermulk Dainties than were on offer……..
Bring Back THG…..
He’s soitenly running out of options if he is looking for an EPL club….
Most surprising that he hasn’t settled in Italy…
Didn’t Topping resign as Chairman of the SPL Committee,a few weeks back..?
Jonnyquest
Just wait until you see the punishment handed out to Rangers for poaching the Scotland manager, who`s name escapes me, just the other year or so.
Joe Filippis Haircut on 22 June, 2012 at 17:31:
Sevco are not getting in the SPL. Sevco know it. The SPL know it. We all know it.
The meeting is likely to discuss if Dundee or Dunfermline come in to replace the liquidated club – as that decision will have to be made quickly.
Soitenly- no dictionary results
Again, who is Foster?
johnnyquest on 22 June, 2012 at 17:35 said:
Great post mate.
If we were in the same situation they would have buried us months ago. I only hope that the SFA are found to be complicit in all of this.
BobbyRussell,I will dignify that with an answer when you correctly spell my name,and,is your phone broke?.
My dear,dear,dear,friend..The Singing Detective..
Pal… this subject .. Ah Likey~ Well, worth persuin’
Foster,as ye point oot.. is showin’ a Reluctance that could be described as .. “InGratitudinal”…
that is..if there wuz such a woid!
But.. alas!There Isnae!
Pity!..
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and.. thank guidness… Ah kin use THAT.. (Are ye sure?… ed)(Actually, Naw.. but, Ah am gonna!)
And..
Even, if he eventually, diz.. gie us the Hi sign.. and ..well . . SIgns..
Ah wull no be pleased wi’ the kinda Attitude, which he hiz displayed awe during the Negos, in this maitter.
Ah wanna Guy , who shows a wee bit mair Enthusiasm fur
gettin’ the chance tae Play fur Us.
Mebbe, Ah am bein’.. too Auld Fashioned,in thinking like that.
But, like everybuddy else. .Ah am a Man o’ Ma Ain Time..
which, has gone forever.
So, it is Natural, tha Ah should feel this way.
Kojo.
yer pal. who likes ye aloater.
Still, Laughin’… of Course!
My dear 21st Century Schizoid man
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Makes sense tae me!
H.
Now dignify
And No, its not
When the SPL clubs meet on 4th July they should have 2 “No” votes, one No to Newco and one No confidence in Doncaster. Kill two birds (vultures) with one stone. Maybe Vlad could take it upon himself to propose the vote of No confidence in Doncaster as he doesn’t seem too keen on this particular fellow’s bed companions, Sky Broadcasting.
I’m glad to hear Sean Fallon is being asked to raise the league flag, I’ve met him on a couple of occasions and he is an absolute gent. I know his son young Sean, also a major Tim.
Remember on July 4th No to Newco and No to Donco.
Zbyszek on 22 June, 2012 at 17:30 said:
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Philosophy and football,eh? There’s always Albert Camus.
{Camus was once asked by his friend Charles Poncet which he preferred, football or the theatre. Camus is said to have replied, “Football, without hesitation.”
Camus played as goalkeeper for Racing Universitaire d’Alger (RUA won both the North African Champions Cup and the North African Cup twice each in the 1930s) junior team from 1928–30.The sense of team spirit, fraternity, and common purpose appealed to Camus enormously.In match reports Camus would often attract positive comment for playing with passion and courage. Any aspirations in football disappeared at age 17, upon contracting tuberculosis—then incurable, Camus was bedridden for long and painful periods.
When Camus was asked in the 1950s by an alumni sports magazine for a few words regarding his time with the RUA, his response included the following:
“After many years during which I saw many things, what I know most surely about morality and the duty of man I owe to sport and learned it in the RUA.”
Camus was referring to a sort of simplistic morality he wrote about in his early essays, the principle of sticking up for your friends, of valuing bravery and fair-play. Camus’ belief was that political and religious authorities try to confuse us with over-complicated moral systems to make things appear more complex than they really are, potentially to serve their own needs.}
Ma dear,dear,dear,friend.. The Singing Detective
Foster..is Forster..
But.. Forster, is such a Cockamamie Name.. that Ah refuse tae Use it..
Kojo
yer pal.. who thinks yer swell.
Still, Laughin’..of Course!
Garcia Lorca,
Very interesting tale.
I had a simialr experience when working in a part time capacity in my local store stacking shelves. The two guys who were shift managers (and had no say in who was employed) were major ‘bluenoses’ and the guys on the shift who were from my particular school got the crappiest and hardest jobs to do, we were called all sorts (in jest of course) and were subject to the kind of scrutiny that the ‘orcs’ were never asked to achieve.
We always felt like second class employees.
I can just picture their faces now that their ‘quintisentially bigoted’ club is rotting before their eyes.
The picture in my head is worth every minute of name calling and spite that I was subject to all those years ago.
Sunburst
Hx2
Don’t know why everyone automatically assumes some ulterior motive behind Donkey’s meeting – if Newco are not going to be Club 12 then there sure as hell is a lot to discuss.
The fact that “New Rangers” don’t appear to be invited appears telling…
The likes of Motherwell have stated that they will provide financial information on the effects of a Newco being denied access to the SPL.
This is supposedly so that the fans can make a balanced informed decision.
I am alone in wondering if they will scare the living daylight out of their fans with over exaggerated opinion that the financial effects will be much worse that in reality.
I don’t trust the directors of Motherwell,Killie ,or StJohnstone to provide accurate realistic information which tells the truth.
TT
Full Moon Again,Maggie…..?
Can we have an update on The Thoughts of The Donut…when your done smashin’ up all those neutrons…?