I was considerably alarmed at this morning’s Daily Record article, which appears to equate calls for an inquiry into an alleged conspiracy to subvert tax law, as well as SFA and SPL rules, on a level with sectarianism. Most clearly here:
“Of course, this will infuriate the self-proclaimed, proud ‘bampots’ on social media toiling away 24/7 in pursuit of justice for Scottish football.
“Their irreversibly entrenched view will always be that ‘the Protestant establishment club cheated on an industrial scale’”.
I’m disturbed that so many people on social media are having their views on rule breaking caricatured as an anti-Protestant witch-hunt.
This is wildly inaccurate, sinister and inflammatory. A sign, perhaps, of the direction of travel in this debate.
This bit is really, REALLY, important.
If there is a perception that there is a risk to social media users this debate is closed – trust me on this one. Right now, some are asking themselves, “How much sectarian hatred are the media prepared to stir up if we talk about this?”
Convince people their club’s record is being questioned, not because of rule breaking, but for religious reasons, and you open Pandora’s Box – and we all know this.
Don’t get angry. This angle is thus far isolated, should be mocked and we should quickly move on.
If you want the debate to take place, don’t lose focus and stick to the point: were tax laws, SFA and SPL rules broken, if so, was this an oversight, or was there a conspiracy to subvert the rules and earlier inquiries?
Perhaps most importantly, this is the time for other clubs and their fans to have their say.
Jim Craig and Brendan Sweeney on CQN TONIGHT!
Lisbon Lion, Jim Craig, and Celt for Change, Brendan Sweeny, Live chat on CQN tonight.
I’m absolutely delighted we have yet another Lisbon Lion, Jim Craig, on CQN tonight, as well as a one of the most influential fans in our history, Brendan Sweeny (who will cringe at reading that).
Brendan has researched and written Celtic: The Early Years, forward by Jim. It is the most incredible account of the how and why a football club was formed in Parkhead in 1888, and the seismic events which shaped its future during the Early Years.
Both will be on CQN tonight from 7:30, you can ask questions on the blog and chat to them. Ask Jim about those great times, his career after football, or what’s going on at the club now.
Brendan, as an integral part of Celts for Change, Jungle Bhoys and now Celtic Graves Society, has been a force of nature for the Celtic cause. This is also about as far into the limelight as he’s ever likely to emerge!
Premium Seats competition for Kilmarnock game on Saturday
Magners, Celtic’s main sponsor, are offering fans the chance to win a pair of Premium Seat tickets in the Jock Stein Stand to the match. All you have to do is answer the following question:
Who was Celtic manager when Kilmarnock won their first game in over half a century?
Email answer to celticquicknews@gmail.com with the answer in the email SUBJECT box.
Competition closes at 22:00 tonight, so this is a one day target!
On another subject, Ad hominem, def:
An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”), is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly. When used inappropriately, it is a logical fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticised.
Just saying……..
Time for some Labi Siffre tunes.
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THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 10:33 AM
I was a minority of one in my group, over the value that TC brought to the team.
He wasn’t a showy player and in the modern game he would be described as a ” water carrier”.
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We used to say……
“Did the spade work.”
Great days to be a Tim.
BAWSMAN 1035
There’s a cracker wi The Grim Reaper at the bottom of this…
http://etims.net/?p=8127
Tommy Callaghan ..
Seemingly always the contrarian me thought that he was a fine player ———- first time I saw him play for Celtic was a home game ( a draw v Kilmarnock ) during a return to Glasgow for a holiday from Yooni for 4 weeks in December 68 .. He missed a sitter !
TBJ says Wee Oscar Knox is in heaven with the angels – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/sinister-and-inflammatory/comment-page-12/#comments
And I’ve no doubt the agency put their rate up accordingly.
South of Tunis.
Maybe this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_lUCgC-Jo
If Tommy ‘Tid’ Callaghan had, had long flowing black, silky smooth locks, and permanent designer stubble he’d have been ole gorgeous Samaras.
MACJAY1 .@10 46
Clicked on that link , saw what it was and immediately clicked out . Hairy, shouty cock rock absolutely not my cup of tea — ( but , hey -each to their own ) .
Off oot to take some Carrubo to a processing plant —- destined to become food for Sicily’s farmed rabbits
Last time I looked Celtic WHERE paying the living wage, don’t know where that article got the bum information from? Celtic Trust? Naaa surely not, anyway it won’t stop the grand posturing by her majesty and her crown shiners at tomorrow’s AGM, I’m giving this one a miss, I’m fed up with the shame shame shame nutters who think they’r in the house of commons, cringeworthy actually, #growndhogdayCTAGM.
SOUTH OF TUNIS on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:05 AM
MACJAY1 .@10 46
Clicked on that link , saw what it was and immediately clicked out . Hairy, shouty cock rock absolutely not my cup of tea — ( but , hey -each to their own ) .
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Dead right.
My cup of tea ain`t yours.
Your loss however.:-)
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BMCW, canny have sweary words mate.
An MSP who called on Celtic to become an accredited living wage employer has been accused by the club of using the issue for his own political purposes.
Labour’s Rutherglen MSP, James Kelly, who is a Celtic fan, said it was “time Celtic remembered its origins” and paid all staff the £8.25 an hour rate.
However, the club said that he had “no knowledge of the workings of Celtic”.
Last year, Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell said the club was being used over the living wage campaign.
Mr Kelly’s comments came one day ahead of Celtic’s AGM, where fans will table a resolution calling on the club to become an accredited living wage employer.
The rate, set by an independent foundation to make wages match the cost of living, has been adopted by about 380 firms across Scotland.
‘Fair wage’
It is nearly a fifth higher than the national minimum wage, set by the UK government, of £6.70 an hour and over £1 more than the new minimum wage premium for over 25s of £7.20 an hour that will come into force in April.
Last year, Hearts became the first football club in Scotland to implement the living wage.
Mr Kelly said: “The Celtic board has the opportunity to make a commitment to hundreds of the club’s staff.
“Celtic has a proud history of combating poverty. But in 2015, they are refusing a guaranteed fair wage to a great number of staff, many of whom are on casual contracts.
“It’s time Celtic remembered its origins and became an accredited living wage employer: tomorrow presents the board with this opportunity which I hope they grasp.”
‘Better off’
At its AGM last year, Celtic said it was prepared to enter discussions with its permanent workforce on the issue but not with others including part-time and external workers.
Now a club spokesman has accused Mr Kelly of using the issue for his own agenda.
“Mr Kelly has no knowledge of the workings of Celtic but yet again seems to be involved in this issue for his own political purposes,” the club spokesman said.
“We have done all that we said we would do at last year’s AGM. 98% of the colleagues with whom we consulted were in favour of the proposed pay rise and structure, because they would be significantly better off with the higher hourly rate, rather than a discretionary bonus that could not be guaranteed.
“We have also met with the Poverty Alliance, who have welcomed the positive steps we have taken. It is totally misleading to suggest that this is anything other than a very positive step, overwhelmingly welcomed and supported by affected staff.”
S.O.T.
Try the one at 10.57
Celtic Trust @TheCelticTrust
The Board mustn’t be allowed to use MSP, James Kelly’s comments to distract from the overwhelming case for becoming an accredited LW emp’r.
LIONROARS67 on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:17 AM
Yeah .
So Celtic pay 20% more to it`s staff and quietly lay off 20% of it`s staff over a period of time.
Everybody happy?
How do Celtic`s employees feel about external pressure groups interfering in their pay and conditions?
Who knows?
Who cares?
lionroars67 on 19th November 2015 11:18 am
I’m going to do a bit of Devil’s Advocate here but once a significant number of employers are signed up and accredited as LW Employers will the Living Wage Foundation consult them before they make any increases to the Living Wage?
When increases are made how long to employers get to apply the increase before they lose accreditation?
I can see reasons why an employer might want to adhere to the wage level without wanting to go down to the accreditation route.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 19th November 2015 11:24 am –
Have Celtic concrete plans for laying off 20%of its staff ? or are you just scaremongering without substance ?
How do Celtics employees feel ? only spoke to two and they were happy that fellow Celtic fans cared about the clubs employees wages and conditions……………………how many employees have you spoken to ?
Who cares? Some Celtic fans clearly don’t care, fair enough, other Celtic fans do care including myself, i speak for myself when posting on here
MELBOURNE MICK on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 3:29 AM
RWE
Truly awesome.
H.H Mick
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/sinister-and-inflammatory/comment-page-11/#comments
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A really great music video and a way to say THANKS to all those on CQN who reach out to other Tims.
http://wp.me/p6DYht-pd
Collective Action can happen in Music too
NOWA
weeminger on 19th November 2015 11:29 am
Yes i can see your point, however forgive me if i don’t want to go off on a tangent from this point im going to make, its Celtic FC we are reerring to not just any employer and IMO we should be an accredited living wage employer in keeping with the ethos and principles on which the club was founded
On Tommy Callaghan, it was my granda who took me to all the games home and away when I was a bhoy and it was fair to say that Big Tam wasn’t his favourite Celt. He always called him a Ham which I couldn’t understand as I thought all the Celtic players were brilliant. Grown up now at 52 & 3/4 and still don’t like hearing criticism of Celtic players….
Apologies if already posted.
More evidence of Police Scotkand threatening Celtic fans !
https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/2945/exclusive-i-will-fxxxxxg ruin-your-life-football-fans-recording-of-alleged-police-abuse-revealed
The living wage is a red herring, it just another hidden agenda by the CT to get a representative on the board, I’v nothing wrong with a supporter on the board, but be up fron with it ffs, wait till you see the oxygen they give the SMSM tomorrow, my mole tells me they are loaded for bear to cause disruption, hopefully my source is exaggerating for everyone’s sake.
Why do so many posters on here not know the difference between THERE and THEIR ,WHERE and WERE and YOUR and YOU’RE. Rips ma knitting so it does. H H Pedantic CSC
HEBCELT on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:43 AM
Why do so many posters on here not know the difference between THERE and THEIR ,WHERE and WERE and YOUR and YOU’RE. Rips ma knitting so it does. H H Pedantic CSC
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I blaim the skools
lionroars67 on 19th November 2015 11:38 am
I think at the very least we (the club) should make a concrete statement about following the Living Wage and implementing any increases within a set time frame. Even if we don’t go for full accreditation.
For instance I could see it being difficult for Celtic to quickly implement any increases that happened after Christmas, especially if we’re out of Europe. At that stage our budget is very set and the only real route for increased income is player sales, which we would hope would be earmarked for the squad.
LIONROARS67 on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:33 AM
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 19th November 2015 11:24 am –
Have Celtic concrete plans for laying off 20%of its staff ? or are you just scaremongering without substance ?
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Do you have any intentions ,at some time in the future, of living in the real world?
MACJAY
Judging by Celtic’s official response,the employees are quite happy about it.
“We have done all that we said we would do at last year’s AGM. 98% of the colleagues with whom we consulted were in favour of the proposed pay rise and structure, because they would be significantly better off with the higher hourly rate, rather than a discretionary bonus that could not be guaranteed.’
WEEMINGER on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:45 AM
lionroars67 on 19th November 2015 11:38 am
I think at the very least we (the club) should make a concrete statement about following the Living Wage and implementing any increases within a set time frame. Even if we don’t go for full accreditation.
I agree wih the above but it is the very least the club should do
HEBCELT on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:43 AM
Why do so many posters on here not know the difference between THERE and THEIR ,WHERE and WERE and YOUR and YOU’RE. Rips ma knitting so it does. H H Pedantic CSC
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Usage is the determinant,pal.
Whether you like it or not.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 19th November 2015 11:46 am
Is that your answer ? to my question……………………..thanks
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:46 AM
MACJAY
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O.K.
So.Why the continuing commentary?
Pal.
:-)
What other organisations are being contacted by Celtic fans to pay the ” living wage.”
Or is this exclusively targeted at Celtic?
If so,why?
LIONROARS67 on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 11:52 AM
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 19th November 2015 11:46 am
Is that your answer ? to my question……………………..thanks
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Sorry,pal.
But,it is the way the world works.
What other organisations are you targeting in this crusade for workers rights?
Its what brother Walfrid would have wanted.
Macjay Aye right.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 19th November 2015 11:56 am
Er because other organisations don’t have the ethos that Celtic do. Because we don’t love those organisations for the reasons we love Celtic (if we love them at all).
Nothing wrong with starting with the most important company to you, then taking it from there.
And now,presenting our ffishell spokesman for Bro. Walfrid…………
The one………..
The only…………
Maggie McGill.
Big hand now……….
:-)
Anyway, here’s Phil.
I am writing this in a building that is a testament to the marketing power of the beautiful game.
Hotel Football, adjacent to Old Trafford, is wall to wall Man United.
The business brain child of the Class of ’92 the flat screen TV automatically switches on with a short video of ‘Giggsy’ and ‘Scholesy’ having a kick about with the building workers on the site of the hotel.
It is toe curlingly cheesy, but for a Manchester United fan it probably hits the spot.
No one in English football doubts the financial power of the first English club to win the European Cup.
When the new manager Louis Van Gaal was appointed one of the board room chaps when asked about the budget for buying players simply stated “there is no budget”.
Essentially the new coach could spend what he wanted to put Manchester United back on top.
I was told last year by the in-house lawyer for another top flight English club that he had on his desk a piece of research on the importance of the wage budget in the English Premier League(EPL) rankings.
Essentially after a decade of number crunching the researchers had found that there was a direct correlation between the size of the wage budget and the ranking at the end of each season in the EPL.
It was depressing to hear this, but it didn’t surprise me.
He also said that there were two clubs who had bucked this trend by a couple of league placing over that ten year period under study.
Newcastle United consistently was a couple of notches below where they should have been and Everton were a one or two slots above where their wage budget suggested they should have ended up.
Perhaps this is why the Manchester United board chose David Moyes I thought.
Of course that did not work out as they planned.
However, they are on firmer ground when it come to the money they spend on players.
These two exceptions, he told me, still proved that in the EPL what you pay in wages pretty much guarantees where you will be in the league at the end of each season.
Therefore, if you can pay more to players you usually do better on the field.
Interestingly the transfer spend did not similarly correlate, wages were the key.
If the Old Trafford outfit play a smaller club they do, of course, have a sporting advantage over their financially poorer opponents.
That is in the nature of professional sport.
Perhaps on the day Van Gall’s stars might not prevail, but the research shows that his team of highly paid stars will amass more points for United over the campaign than a club with a much smaller wage budget.
However, if United were scamming the tax man in some secret way that allowed them a greater wage budget for players, then that WOULD be an unfair sporting advantage over all the other clubs.
Moreover, if that scam required them to conceal registration information from the FA and the EPL then I do not think there would be a debate here in England.
The opinion would be that the mighty Man United cheated the country and cheated sport.
Any trophies that their illegally remunerated stars had delivered to Old Trafford during that period would be considered, to use the term favoured by Alex Thomson of Channel 4, “fraudulent”.
The elephant in the room for Planet Fitba throughout the death of Rangers and the calamitous goings on at Sevco has been the cultural power of the Ibrox brand.
To control the home dressing room at Edmiston Drive is to have a craven media simpering for your approval.
At times their knicker wetting obedience is Off The Radar.
Moreover, the chaps on the 6th Floor at Hampden are horribly conflicted should the Ibrox chaps break the laws of the game.
Should the current Court of Session ruling on the use of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBT) by Rangers Football Club (1873-2012) go unchallenged then it is an appalling vista for those entrusted with the governance of the National Game.
Of course, should there be an appeal then it is, once more, in abeyance until the UK Supreme Court rules.
However, as it stands at present the old Ibrox club were guilty of not paying what was due to their Majesty’s tax collectors.
In doing so they concealed what they were doing from the Scottish Football Association and from the Scottish Premier League.
When HMRC started to investigate Rangers a decade ago the Ibrox club lied to their Majesty’s tax inspectors, they were evasive and they destroyed incriminating documents.
None of this is contested.
If all of this happened at Manchester United, or any other English Club, then I doubt they would be toughing it out through their shills in the media or issuing belligerent statements on the new club’s website.
None of that would be happening because, rightly in my view, they would be sick with shame.
Of course in Planet Fitba things are different for those who run the game and those who write about it as only one brand matters and the other 41 clubs are mere extras in the Ibrox movie.
The same film production company wanted to drop ‘NewCo’ into the SPL in 2012 after Rangers were liquidated.
Only fan power and the plain speaking courage of Turnbull Hutton (RIP) prevented this crime against sport.
Should the current Court of Session Ruling stand then it will, once more, be time for the good guys to galvanise and organise against those who put one toxic brand over the health of the National Game in Scotland.
Those thirteen trophies are the sporting equivalent of the proceeds of crime and they should be impounded if the Court of Session ruling stands.
Anything less will be an insult to the tens of thousands of fans of all the other clubs who paid millions into the game over a decade believing, stupidly, that they were watching an honest sport.
Tony
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WEEMINGER on 19TH NOVEMBER 2015 12:00 PM
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 19th November 2015 11:56 am
Er because other organisations don’t have the ethos that Celtic do. Because we don’t love those organisations for the reasons we love Celtic (if we love them at all).
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So.
Selective indignation,then.
Stuff the others.
Not good enough.