I was considerably alarmed at this morning’s Daily Record article, which appears to equate calls for an inquiry into an alleged conspiracy to subvert tax law, as well as SFA and SPL rules, on a level with sectarianism. Most clearly here:
“Of course, this will infuriate the self-proclaimed, proud ‘bampots’ on social media toiling away 24/7 in pursuit of justice for Scottish football.
“Their irreversibly entrenched view will always be that ‘the Protestant establishment club cheated on an industrial scale’”.
I’m disturbed that so many people on social media are having their views on rule breaking caricatured as an anti-Protestant witch-hunt.
This is wildly inaccurate, sinister and inflammatory. A sign, perhaps, of the direction of travel in this debate.
This bit is really, REALLY, important.
If there is a perception that there is a risk to social media users this debate is closed – trust me on this one. Right now, some are asking themselves, “How much sectarian hatred are the media prepared to stir up if we talk about this?”
Convince people their club’s record is being questioned, not because of rule breaking, but for religious reasons, and you open Pandora’s Box – and we all know this.
Don’t get angry. This angle is thus far isolated, should be mocked and we should quickly move on.
If you want the debate to take place, don’t lose focus and stick to the point: were tax laws, SFA and SPL rules broken, if so, was this an oversight, or was there a conspiracy to subvert the rules and earlier inquiries?
Perhaps most importantly, this is the time for other clubs and their fans to have their say.
Jim Craig and Brendan Sweeney on CQN TONIGHT!
Lisbon Lion, Jim Craig, and Celt for Change, Brendan Sweeny, Live chat on CQN tonight.
I’m absolutely delighted we have yet another Lisbon Lion, Jim Craig, on CQN tonight, as well as a one of the most influential fans in our history, Brendan Sweeny (who will cringe at reading that).
Brendan has researched and written Celtic: The Early Years, forward by Jim. It is the most incredible account of the how and why a football club was formed in Parkhead in 1888, and the seismic events which shaped its future during the Early Years.
Both will be on CQN tonight from 7:30, you can ask questions on the blog and chat to them. Ask Jim about those great times, his career after football, or what’s going on at the club now.
Brendan, as an integral part of Celts for Change, Jungle Bhoys and now Celtic Graves Society, has been a force of nature for the Celtic cause. This is also about as far into the limelight as he’s ever likely to emerge!
Premium Seats competition for Kilmarnock game on Saturday
Magners, Celtic’s main sponsor, are offering fans the chance to win a pair of Premium Seat tickets in the Jock Stein Stand to the match. All you have to do is answer the following question:
Who was Celtic manager when Kilmarnock won their first game in over half a century?
Email answer to celticquicknews@gmail.com with the answer in the email SUBJECT box.
Competition closes at 22:00 tonight, so this is a one day target!
On another subject, Ad hominem, def:
An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”), is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly. When used inappropriately, it is a logical fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticised.
Just saying……..
Time for some Labi Siffre tunes.
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HT-thought you’d be watching Ant & Dec…….;)
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
We were all a bit gutted at losing at Liverpool in 1996 in Cup Winners Cup and that was down to a shocking refereeing decision. So we were determined to win the European Cup the next season and Jock certainly was.
The only time we miscalculated was probably the Dukla Prague away match. I was of the opinion that we were expected to sit back a bit there rather than play our normal game. other players think that we weren’t but I was of the opinion that what Jock put across was that we had to not quite play defensively but to be careful with our attacking which was most unusual for us.
On one occasion in that match I approached the half way line and got a shout from the bench to STOP and someone else shouted KEEP GOING! That was typical of the day but we got a boring 0-0 draw so something must have been right!
CowieBhoy personally i wouldn’t grudge wee Fergus a penny of what he walked away with. He put his money in and took a massive risk at a time there was no big queue at the door pushing him aside to put in their money. He revitalised the club and within a short time we went from standing outside AGMs in the freezing cold demonstrating against the old board to queuing up along London Road to buy shares in the club. The battle is over, the rebels keep winning.
Bada
Recording it mate :-)
Busy doing school stuff and had completely forgotten about Jim and Brendan being on!
Thanks Jim
I’ve always believed in encouraging rather than heckling makes
a player play better
As you say some retreat & go into their shells then gets dropped
only to come back & haunt us with another team
Thick Skins csc
VP
We heard about it within a day or so I’m just glad it’s now been made public!
BlantyreTim i was incredibly fortunate to work on the Celts For Change Committee with guys like Matt McGlone, David Cunningham, (who i had went to school with), Colin Duncan and John Thomson. Working with special guys of such a calibre i always felt that with these guys on our side we could never lose. We will always have a special bond and i would never hear a bad word said about any of them. Who in all honesty could turn down a job working for your beloved Celtic?
South Of Tunis
Great story. Renato Capellini was an exceptional player. I was full of admiration for him and he was very generous afterwards in acknowledging our performance.
The octogenarian is not as old as he seems as I am 72 myself now. I still always check the two Milan sides results every week so they must have made an impression on me. Please pass on my very best wishes to your friend who is a true football man.
I think that the Italian league has maybe fallen away a little at the moment but they are doing one thing right –
they are playing a lot of home grown players so I think they will see the benefit of this in years to come.
Art of War.
I’m sure it will be a time with many emotions for all. Hope and fear in equal measures.
All I can offer is my own personal best wishes and certainly a wee prayer for your sister in law, who shares the same name as my sister. Albeit with a different spelling.
God bless.
Cheers Brendan
No supplementary question, honest
beatboy
Yes you are right. When you go to the Convention in America and all they want to talk about is the victory in Lisbon. We knew of course that there are Celtic supporters around the world. It was maybe around 1995 and I remember thinking what a difference we made to Celtic fans’ lives…
I have recently been asked open a Fete in my grand daughters school in Bannockburn on 4th December – I am 72! I still think that is remarkable that a game we won in 1967 is still so important.
When you are playing there’s always another game next week and Jock would say put that one in the cupboard and let’s go and win another one!
Jim and Brendan,
where do you see Celtic in 5 years time?
I’m talking about on and off the pitch. Taking into account we presently play in Scotland do you think we are on the right track?
I personally can see where we are going under Delia but it’s not an easy path to tread.
Thanks.
Hamiltontim –
I’m watching it live but won’t put out any spoilers ;-)
Brendan,
If your still around, ta for that about pat Walsh.
Personal opinion, is vit fair to say , in the context of the 1880 1900 that the founders of Celtic were Irish republicans in their political views.
Hrvatski Jim, a film about Celtic would be the greatest story ever told. I would love to see it happen because it is, as Billy McNeill always says, a fairytale. The story of a ghetto club formed to feed the poor that rose to become one of the biggest in world football and all from such charitable beginnings. Make the film and tell our story to the world.
Thanks Brendan – looking forward to that book even more now. As you say it is our early history that gives us our difference. On the football front we are in a sense similar to say Aberdeen and Motherwell. Just that we have won more honours than Aberdeen who have won more than Motherwell. However our origins and our impact on a community and its descendants is a story few other clubs have. Jim – if you have time still be interested in your thoughts re going back to having reserve league
quonno
That’s what a player should do, it was automatic for us as Celtic players so Steve is no different to the other Lions. All the Celtic players today should realise that this is the MINIMUM that they should do for the supporters. Football without the supporters….
Brendan
Regarding your response to Cowiebhoy.
Celtic is in a considerably better shape now than in the lead up to the takeover in ’94. However, with an owner whose considerable shareholding far exceeds the combined efforts of the bulk of the ordinary Celtic supporter. Have things really changed? Now we get into the AGMs but are in no real position to affect change.
Jim
You have seen a few Left and right backs in you’re time do you think young Kieran Tierney can go all the way to the top
HH
Saint Stivs, Home Rule for Ireland was the aspiration of the day in the 1880s and 90s. The Celtic Committee were well known to each other in the various political and religious groups in Glasgow at the time of our foundation and this was another secret of our early success and the fact we hit the ground running.
OOOOPS!
Apologies for interrupting Jim C and Brendan’s posts…catching up.
HH GHUYS.
Gerry Butler could play Big Billy…….;))
Jobo
I detest it though I do have a soft spot for the two cheeky presenters :-)
Tim Malone Will Tell
That’s right I remember that well.
I still have the Dukla Prague shirt up in the attic but I gave away AC Milan and Capellini’s from the Final for charity auctions. We got £2500 for the AC one and £3500 for the Lisbon shirt. This was around 1990 I think. I can’t remember the Charity now but I thought it was a good cause so they got my jerseys and hopefully good came of it.
Jim Craig
Who would play you in the movie?
Thanks again for the reply, Jim.
One proud granddaughter, I’ll bet!
Hail! Hail!
Jim.
Do u remember a lad called John Gorman, who hails from my wee village?
My Dad reckons if he’d stuck around Paradise he would have been our Left back after Tommy left.
Would appreciate any thoughts.
Jim & Brendan…. Heartfelt thanks for all u have given to our club
HH
B B
Gerry Butler Who he???
Dr Ramesh in 5 years, Celtic Park will be bouncing to the oncoming 10 In A Row. I cannot wait, the thought of it thrills me. Europe too must be our target and our budget and manager must be geared towards this rather than simply winning the title. The future is 100% green.
jim
a statue of big billy will be going on the celtic way.
do you think all the lions should have a statue leading up to the ground ?
Celtic Mac
I’d damaged my ankle and I was playing in a reserve match one night. Jock said to me “I’m going to play you at centre forward as you will have to do more running there.’
A new scout had just Celtic and he said to Neily Mochan, who’s the big guy up front?
Neily said ‘That’s Cairney. This man Craig.”
John Cairney was at Brendan’s book launch a few weeks ago at Celtic Park.
Mr Craig
You got those other 2 players yet ? To make the 14
For me Paul McStay and Henrik ?
Mind you Joe McBride dint make the team back then with injury
Would he have played in the final f not injured ?
Brendan, thanks for the honest response
Personally wasn’t happy with the amount he made, doubling his money in 5 years may have been fine ? Making 500 % was some return
My own shares Will never be sold :-) like many other Celtic fans
Jude-a Hollywood A lister, played up front for us in a charity game at CP a couple of years ago
Hamiltontim
Making the Celtic team to be quite honest. There were hundreds of boys in this days good enough to be footballers so to make the break through was quite an achievement. I just hope a lot of similarly placed young Scottish boys get the chance to do so.
Bognorbhoy
I dream of the day we see a statue of the 12 players with big jock up their shoulders holding the big cup aloft
Hail Hail
Brendan and Jim.
Your best Celtic eleven and five subs.
Players you seen only, and qualify your timeframe
HamiltonTim, yes things aren’t perfect and we’d all love more for the club we adore and we all share the frustrations, but things have moved on considerably since 94 and the Celtic Trust in particular deserve credit for many strides taken.
Jim Craig
Great story, for which thanks for telling. After the fact my Dad et al were good friends with Neilly.
Think greyhounds, think bookmakers…