We’ve not really discussed the enormous political and disciplinary matters hanging over Scottish football since before our Champions League campaign got underway but it moves to the fore today, as the SPL Commission, headed by Lord Nimmo Smith, sits to consider charges levelled by the league against former member, Rangers FC. The Commission is expected to conclude by the end of this week.
Rangers are charged with improperly registering players by allowing footballers to enter into contractually binding agreements to receive money in connection with the game, directly or indirectly, without registering these agreements with the SPL or the SFA.
Playing an improperly registering footballer voids the result of a match, no matter how innocuous the registration impropriety is, as Spartans discovered 14 months ago to their cost. They saw their Scottish Cup win over Culter overturned because a player’s registration form was dated only once, not twice as required.
As well as being awarded a 0-3 defeat, the improper registration of players will cost the offending club any prize money ‘won’ and will result in a disciplinary measure being imposed. Spartans were fined £4000, approximately 20% of their annual income, and were suspended from the competition for 12 months. A steep tariff for leaving a box on a form empty and fielding a player in one game of football.
Lots of speculation has centred on the so-called ‘stripping of titles’ but in the event the Commission upholds the charge the voiding of results will happen as a matter of consequence; it should not subject to speculation. What is more interesting is the size of prize money the league would seek to reclaim, and redistribute, and any penalty imposed by the Commission.
SPL teams receive prize money based on their final league position, funded by the league’s TV deal, which for teams finishing in the top two positions is well in excess of £1m each year. Any ‘stripping of titles’ is likely to be a headline grabber, but the repayment of prize money and disciplinary measures will be far more significant, for some.
Sir David Murray, who owned Rangers throughout the period of alleged improper registration of players, insists the club registered all contractually binding payments players received in connection with playing football. SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, was an executive director of Rangers for some of the period under investigation and may have been responsible for some registrations.
Charles Green rejected an offer to limit the consequences of the charge being upheld in return for his company (then called Sevco 5088 Ltd) acquiring the SFA membership vacated by Rangers. We will soon discover if he is master of the Cunning Plan or an over-ambitious gambler.
I expect calls for SPL and SFA rules to be upheld without fear or favour to be met.
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Good morning all. Still a bit wet, wild and generally yuccky here in ole EK. But mild.
13h 14m….
charliebhoy
00:36 on 30 January, 2013
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Great to hear about Charles doing better. My father in law had 3 brain ops (over a period of 6 months) a few years ago, and thankfully has come out the other side of it, they’re amazing in there.
KTF
Vinny
Morning to all CQNers , Talk crap are reporting this morning Hoops will be offski to Norwich today for £8m.
Where do they get this nonsense.?
Anyway, 3 zip tonight, expecting a big reaction from the players!
Morning Bhoys
Just read back from last night ,a triumph for the wee channel isles in BigG’s caption comp :0),cheers mate ,it was good craic reading all the entries :0).
Off to work ,another day trying to imagine what is going on at LNS inquiry….let justice be seen to be done .
HH.
Just been on and off the last few days, heavy weekend on the gargle here. Good old bank holiday weekend
Bit annoyed at the way things go on here, we have great result in europe an lenny and the bhoys are worldveaters and capable of anything.
Bad performance and result and the players a getting called diddies and all sorts.
The extremeists on here need to learn that we have young coaching staff and very young squad who will make loads more mistakes between now and end of season,some will effect us and some with abit of luck we will get through.
Theres been alot of positives this season and alot more goodtimes to come.
Keep the faith
Morning CQNrs from a damp and rainy Manchester.
Meeting in trafford park until 3:30 then zooming up the m6 .. Straight to Celtic park .
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4769640/George-Galloway-v-Rangers.html
Mornin CQNrs
Hope Lord Nimmo Smith and his two colleagues enjoyed the sleep of the just!
Good news charliebhoy, 00.36. Succulent lamb indeed. KTF
Grey n dreary start here in Glesga, but to brighten later.
Back to Paradise this evening and welcoming the Kilmarnock teenagers and their bunnets.
HH
Morning,
Dingbat of the rangers supporters trust has a cheek telling the SFL to reject reconstruction and go on about financial life belts when Sevco are running at a loss. Oh! and for the record, the payment is coming from us.
We do run Scottish football after all…
“It is an over-complicated and ill-thought-out plan. In fact, it is a panic move by club chairmen who are looking for a financial lifebelt. It will end in tears.
“I think it is a panic move by panicking clubs. Hopefully the SFL clubs will see through the promise of extra payments and reject the proposals.
“The promise of more money from a more even redistribution of funds does beg the question: ‘Where is the SPL going to find another £4.2million a year from?’
the boy jinky
07:02 on 30 January, 2013
Morning CQNrs from a damp and rainy Manchester.
Meeting in trafford park until 3:30 then zooming up the m6 .. Straight to Celtic park .
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Bad time of the day to leave but you should do it in about 3 hours or less.
According to KDS the Swedish international we’re linked with is Pontus Jansson, defender from Malmo. Express still not updated online to check.
Good morning CQN from a wet and windy Clydebank
A few things to do before getting ready for the game tonight
Looking for a good result
God bless NFL and Glasgow Celtic football Team
Keep the faith
Hail Hail
Reading back, someone mentioned that the terms of Lord NS’s enquiry only go back to 2005, as that was when registration rules were introduced.
Is that true? First I’ve heard about it.
SFL to propose a 12-12-10-10 League.
Sevco still a busted flush then.
Welcome back @DMajstorovic05
Good morning CQNers,
The build up to the Juve game starts tonight and Sunday’s shock should help ground any who had misplaced delusions of grandeur.
A result tonight then onwards to putting a few wrongs right in the cup game and a good blow (horse training term) away against IVC should just about have the troops tuned nicely to meet the European challenge.
Onwards and upwards.
Kayal 33-Pontus Jansson 21 year old CB with Malmo,6’3″ tall ,metric to follow……
Paul,
“Charles Green rejected an offer to limit the consequences of the charge being upheld in return for his company (then called Sevco 5088 Ltd) acquiring the SFA membership vacated by Rangers. We will soon discover if he is master of the Cunning Plan or an over-ambitious gambler.”
In other words, if LNS confirms DC’s……. It’s bye-bye Sevco / greengo……. Now where are my sedatives….
Morning all!
Charliebhoy – excellent news on Charles.
Big game tonight – big performance required,
HH!!
MIKI67
DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE……
It’s written by someone who clearly still believes in “Trickle-down theory”
Including abolishing CGT-no,it’s not written by KITALBA!-and further slashing public spending.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9834764/The-UK-needs-an-emergency-Budget-full-of-shocks.html
It’s interesting stuff-make the poor suffer more so the rich don’t have to……
Morning all. Wild, wet and still very windy here.
You say you want a revolution.
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Some misunderstanding on my comments yesterday regarding Nimmo Smith’s brief.
To be clear: He has been asked to consider Rangers’ use and alleged non-disclosure of ‘EBTs’ from the period November 2000 to May 2011, but because the relevant FIFA (and SFA) Registration Rules and the SPL’s own Rules changed periodically throughout that time, he requires to consider the use of EBTs against the rules that applied during 3 distinct periods:
Nov 2000 to May 2002
May 2002 to May 2005
and May 2005 to May 2011
FIFA introduced a new standard form of contract for all players worldwide in year 2000, and this form together with the associated rules have been amended a number of times since.
While I do not have the relevant Rules from each organisation for each period of time to hand, clearly the rules developed and were amended over time, and what constitutes a breach today, may not have been a breach in say 2001.
Moreover, the rules tying the eligibility of players to proper registration is not consistent across the 11 years of the enquiry. So for example, while non-disclosure of EBT arrangements may very well have broken the rules in say, 2003, and thus be liable to sanction, it does not necessarily follow that the player was ineligible to play.
Nimmo Smith’s brief includes a specific allegation that players may have been ineligible to play as a consequence of non-disclosure of the payment arrangements from the period May 2005 onwards, indicating that the rules of registration were amended as of May 2005 to incude the issue of eligibility with regard to improper registration.
The relevant wording in the SFA/FIFA rules being: “… a Registration Form will not be valid unless it is accompanied by the contract entered into between the club concerned and the player stating all the terms and conditions…”
This is reflected in the SPL’s Rules as: “…A Club must, as a condition of Registration and for a Player to be eligible to Play in Official Matches, deliver the executed originals of all Contracts of Service and amendments and/or extensions to Contracts of Service and all other agreements providing for payment…”
There are a number of other rulkes referencing similar or related issues.
Prior to May 2005, while there was a requirement to lodge the documents in full, it appears likely that non-conformance did not automatically invalidate the players’ registration.
Consquently, Rangers’ might very well be found to have breached registration rules from 2005 onwards, causing their players to be ineligible to play, and thus necessarily and automatically voiding the results of games in which ineligible players participated.
However, had Rangers fielded the same player in the same circumstances in previous years, while they will have broken the relevant rules, the player may not have been specifically ineligible.
Nimmo Smith then has been asked to determine the facts as they relate to 3 specific periods of time, apply the rules of that time, and come to a view on what if any breaches occured.
If players were fielded ineligibly, it seems unlikely that there is any other option but to void the matches as a precedented consequence, but this will likely only apply to the period from May 2005.
Thereafter, the issue of sanctions arises for these and prior breaches of rules, and over to LNS and his two pals to figure out what is appropriate from the range of sanctions available per the applicable rules.
So, from May 2005, non disclosure invalidates the registration, meaning players are ineligible to play, causing voided results. Other sanctions as considered appropriate.
Prior to 2005, whatever the applicable rules say, and whatever sanctions are provided for.
Out of breath…
TBB
Dear, dear, dear…
….testing….
….testing again…..
Off oot.
KEV
Bet yer not,really
mighty tim
20:11 on
29 January, 2013
Burgas Bhoy what is the weather like over there just now as I am heading to Bulgaria on the 14th February. Just wanting to know do I pack my longjohns.
Just reading back there sorry for the delayed reply.
All depends where your headed for mt?
Slopes are open in Bankso if your skiing, Sofia is covered in сняг (white stuff) and Burgas and surrounding area is quite warm but cold at night.
And if your fishing “There are NO fish in the Danube” -)))A bottle of beer is still under1 Leva and a packet of fags are still 4 Leva.
And PSFC Chernomorets Burgas are still crap !
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Well done to the young hoops!
Young Hoops extend lead at top of the table
By: Laura Brannan on 29 Jan, 2013 20:52
Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Under-20 Scottish Premier League
Rugby Park, Kilmarnock
KILMARNOCK 1
(Slater 15 pen)
CELTIC 3
(Watt 16, George 29, Atajic 76)
THE young Hoops extended their lead at the top of the Under-20 Scottish Premier League table, with a 3-1 victory away to Kilmarnock.
The home side opened the scoring with a penalty, but Tony Watt responded instantly with an equaliser at the opposite end. Paul George then put Celtic into the lead and Bahrudin Atajic added a third to seal the victory midway through the second half.
Kilmarnock were reduced to 10 men in the closing stages when Chris Johnston saw red for a challenge on George. The Celtic goalscorer was unable to continue, but with three substitutions already made, the Hoops were forced to see out the match with 10 men.
Watt was just one of the first-team players Stevie Frail and John Kennedy named in their starting XI. He started alongside Miku up front, with Dylan McGeouch slotting into central midfield.
Despite this, it was Kilmarnock who took the lead in the 15th minute after being awarded a penalty for Michael Miller´s handball. Slater converted from the spot curling his effort around the outstretched Leo Fasan.
But within seconds Celtic responded, with Watt twisting and turning away from his marker inside the opposite box. He fired low and levelled the game with a confident finish.
Five minutes later though, the striker had less joy in front of goal, heading Miku´s cross wide of target despite the open net in front of him.
Miku then provided another good cross just before the half-hour mark and this time it set up the goal which put Celtic into the lead. George charged in to meet the ball and slammed it home to make it 2-1.
The Venezuelan striker then missed a chance of his own though, collecting the ball a yard from the empty net. He tried to control it before tapping it in, but instead sent it past the post.
Killie´s Johnston had the opportunity to draw his side level shortly before the break but Fasan did well to catch the dangerous dipping effort and the Hoops went into the break with the advantage.
Watt was replaced at half-time by John Herron before Lewis Kidd came on for Miku on the hour mark. And just seconds later Atajic almost extended Celtic´s lead, firing low from an acute angle. Anssi Jaakkola did well to collect the shot though.
It was a quiet second half with not many chances at either end, but Atajic brought the game to life again on 76 minutes. Kilmarnock were sitting deep and making it difficult for the Hoops to break them down, but the striker latched on to Stuart Findlay´s long ball and perfectly chipped Jaakkola to extend Celtc´s lead to 3-1.
Johnston´s challenge on George then saw him sent off eight minutes from the end. He went in side-footed and caught the midfielder´s knee. George was unable to continue, leaving his side also closing the match a man down.
But it didn’t make a difference to final result as Celtic already had the points secure and the win sees them retain their place at the top of the league table.
CELTIC (4-4-2): Fasan; Fisher, Fraser, Findlay, P. Twardzik; Atajic, Miller, McGeouch (Lindsay 72), George; Watt (Herron 46), Miku (Kidd 60)
Subs not used: Thomson, O´Connell, Johnstone, Waters
I think we might see Miku tonight..
Reading back over the playing of even younger youngsters, I’m shocked by how many of them seem to getting badly injured in games… No wonder we don’t produce world class players anymore.
Burgas bhoy thanks mate nothing as grand as skiing or relaxing as fishing. Bringing the Scottish wrestling team to a competition mate in Plovdiv. I was hoping that the weather would be a bit better than what we are gettingso as my old bones would feel the benefit.
HH
Where is WGS ?
we have just over a day to go in a transfer window – one where we have taken in circa £20M from the Champions League and sold Ki at the end of the last one for £6M and have bought ……
A £400K Aussie 20 year old prospect and a Loan fullback.
On top of not being able to win at Hampden we have a huge game against Juve coming up. Should we not be expecting just a little bit more committment back and at least a feeling that the board are wanting to excite the fans ?
No ?
We still need, A Centre Forward who can header the ball – especially given that our game plan is get it wide and cross it, a midfielfer with the ability to open defences with a pass through the middle, some pace and a penalty taker.
Finger out time.
Seville67
Juventus ?
Beaten 2-1 by Lazio.
A brute ugly physical game . Juve missed a sitter in the 94th minute.
Their record in January —
Played 7.
Won 2
Drawn 3 .
Lost 2.
They are a pale shadow of the team that scored 5 in 2 games v Chelsea . They look like a team that has lost it’s mojo. They play Chievo this weekend . Chievo will get stuck in.
A Club spokesman has asked that the support give Anelka a chance .
Media claiming that Juve have upped their offer for Lisandro Lopez but Lyon are saying – No — we want more .
Sunny day — 2 degrees at 5 am /16 degrees at 11 am -way down south