Yesterday evening STV revealed the real outcome of last week’s meeting between Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster and David Longmuir as a proverbial gun was put to the head of Scottish Football League clubs.
In short, SPL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, no doubt with the support of some clubs but without the prior knowledge or support of Celtic, has threatened to kick 20 SFL clubs out of the senior game unless they acquiesce to his demand to parachute Sevco into the First Division.
The proposal was presented by SFL chief executive, David Longmuir, and appears to carry his endorsement.
Five scenarios are portrayed:
‘Rangers’ remaining in the SPL is dismissed as SPL clubs have confirmed they will vote no.
‘Rangers’ going to the third division is objected to on two grounds, financial (which is laboured a bit) and – wait for it – “The sporting opportunity is quashed for other clubs”.
Ponder that one for a moment, “The sporting opportunity is quashed for other clubs”.
‘Rangers’ to the First Division is presented as being “financially possible to recover from this scenario”.
‘Rangers’ to SPL2 is dismissed as apparently this would create “a bigger divide” than moving ‘Rangers’ to the First Division but not changing the name of the league. It is also noted that a legal challenge could bring paralysis.
Finally, they discuss ‘Rangers’ terminated or suspended, which apparently would lead to “complete financial meltdown”.
Then come the inducements to co-opt ‘Rangers’ into the First Division…. cash, your cash. Lots and lots of your cash, an “immediate cash benefit for all 30 clubs!” The exclamation mark is theirs!!
We could spend all day dissecting this disgraceful document but I’d like to focus on one immediate element:
‘Rangers’ terminated or suspended – complete financial meltdown.
So how do the SFA, SFL and the SPL rogues who participated in this shambles propose to ensure the SFA Independent Judicial Panel does not suspend ‘Rangers’ for subverting our game for over a decade for fielding illegally registered players for that period?
In short, it cannot. The independent judicial process will itself need to be subverted. As I suggested a few days ago, the judges will be told they are no longer wanted, we are back with the hand-selected SFA committee men.
The three most senior executives running our game have told you that one errant club is so powerful it cannot be subject to the rules and must not face the punishments which are due.
I’m not going to dispute the validity of this view (just now), but surely we deserve some honesty? If the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier League has accepted the ‘game’ is over, let’s hear from them. Where is the leadership from the SFA president on the collapse of the game under his watch? What are the chief executives saying to their paying customers?
Our sport cannot be subverted below radar.
You have been cheated and the rules will be changed to ensure there are no consequences. This is no longer a sport, it is a financial accommodation where a few executives are threatening to expel 20 clubs, most of whom have over a century history in the senior game, to allow Sevco to start two divisions higher than they otherwise would.
Celtic can have nothing to do with this.
The game here is dead. The leagues are set to collapse, most likely, no matter what happens now.
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Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 30 June, 2012 at 15:42 said:
I have to disagree here Awe_Naw, the motivation for saying no to Newco seems to be integrity. Clyde for example, how can they hope to gain financially from Celtic?
The nonsensical proposal from the SPL/SFA on Friday was one of the stupidest episodes in this saga. But the clubs have come out to immediately object to it, already 7 SFL clubs according to Sportsound, this kills the proposal dead before its had time to gain momentum.
Now when league construction can be done, fairly with consideration for 2013/14 clubs may ask for a bigger share, as I say I think they will ask for more than we want to give, that’s negotiation. We are in a very strong position, we need to be seen to be fair, replacing one bully with another wouldn’t take us forward. Some things, TV money, sponsorship money, ie the collective pool should be shared equitably, others, season ticket money, merchandising are ours.
But time will tell, all the way through this people have said firstly the Huns will be let off, they haven’t. I was at times worried they would be shoehorned into the SPL as a Newco.
I’m an optimist, I think Scottish football can use the mess the Huns have made to progress the game.
fencelt on 30 June, 2012 at 15:29 said:
Sent Clyde an email to after reading your post (just coz) :)))))))
Look guys, get it through your heads, if Celtic come out openly opposing hunnite activity, Celtic will be the target of attack from all in the MSM and of course, Unholy Mess FC.
Bear in mind, this is not about Celtic. It is about the integrity of the game in Scotland as a whole.
One club, one club alone, has chosen to totally ignore any and every rule they see as standing in their way. They are junkies who don’t give a single thought about anything other than getting their fix.
We must support every other club to do the right thing, in the best interests of the game as a whole. The exact opposite of the actions of Unholy Mess FC.
The game in Scotland will be the healthiest it has ever been when they are gone. Gone, not Div 1, 2 or 3. Gone.
When they are gone, so too will be gone those who are trying to corrupt the game even further in their desperate, panic driven attempts to save Unholy Mess FC, ironically, even though they don’t support CG.
Goodbye. Good riddance. Gone.
We won’t miss you.
Canamalar;
So effectively the ‘walking awayers’ have to wait for the OldCo’s ultimate demise before they are contractually free?
I understood that could be several weeks/months or more…
Bhoys its a wee bit like the old saying in for a penny in for a pound the football authorities have shown there hand they are pro newco.So now in the arguement about the players contracts they are going to support newco again they are putting there all behind Charles Green they are not fit for purpose and should be made to resign as soon as possible they do not have Scottish football as a whole as there interest only to see newco succed is there mantra.H.H.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 30 June, 2012 at 15:49 said:
WWC,
That was also my understanding ……… But I think the lawyers are saying TUPE regulations are pertinent during the transition between admin and liquidation …?
West Wales Celt on 30 June, 2012 at 15:46 said:
In the aftermath of Rankers winning the court-case re the transfer embargo it appeared Regan/SFA were on course following UEFA approval for dealing with the errant club, since then Regan has been silenced and the SFA it appears have halted at this time any further actions by the SFA towards TFOD
If we had a MSM worthy of Journalistic credibility they would be demanding to know why?
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice HAS prevailed on 30 June, 2012 at 15:52 said:
I have often read your post, excellent post they are too;-)
SwanseaBhoy
We are soooooooooooooo close I honestly think the div1 clubs will hunt them on tues .
But always drift back to the thought this is Scotland
Two shows of strength on tues & thurs and our game will be changed forever.
Joe Filippis Haircut on 30 June, 2012 at 15:56 said:
Correct…
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice HAS prevailed on 30 June, 2012 at 15:56 said:
Two in a row we agree.
Rangers(in administration) will soon be Rangers(in liquidation) but that period could go on for a very long time, therefore TUPE regulations come in before the club is actually liquidated. I could well be wrong, I’m no expert.
leftclicktic on 30 June, 2012 at 15:59 said:
Doo…..Dooooooooooooooo
WWC\Heaven67,
The liquidation takes place within 28 days to the intent being declared, I have posted that a few times an still awaiting correction, so they wil have to wait till the 10th July, I think :o)
Doc…..ach, now sure you’ a lovely mhan ………LOL
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 30 June, 2012 at 16:00 said:
Jasoos, mhan, can you not even get me moniker right……..LOL
http://snd.sc/QH56f4
Raith chairman on Sportsound
FIFA will step in and grant temporary transfers until things are legally sorted.
I daresay this has already been posted upFrom the telegraph
The bit where a source says ” but what can they do about it?” ie Celtic…….
What can we do realistically ?
1/ We could bhoycott all the away games in the SPL.
2/ We could withdraw from the cup competitions.
3/ Could we have influence on our own regarding the television rights etc ?
4/ Could we do the club membership scheme thing @ £500 per person with
a token amount going towards a season ticket, if the 10 are trying to grab
our cash ?
5/ Could one of our shareholders ie Denis O’Brien sue the SFA for lack of
oversight and enforcement during the EBT/Dual contracts era. ?
6/ What else can we do that would let the 10 know that we’re smarter and
stronger than they are ?
I do think there should be league reconstruction a la McLeish etc, however it should be done with no involvement with Dodo FC and if it’s not consensual, ie ourselves and the 10 in unison, then it’s never going to work at any level and will breed an animosity that at present only simmers under the radar. If the 10 want to bring the Scottish Calvinist, ‘We’re aw Jock Tamsons bairns’ factor into play then the whole gig is doomed imho.
HH
Sorry, Bhoys , but I find Tam Cowan very funny…….
We’re being accused of loving everything that’s going on over at the big hoose …….fair comment…….so fekin true
Canamalar
Noted you had another wee dispute with our BJmac the other day. You both obviously have an issue with one another and that is for both of you to forever bend one another’s eat over.
However. I did think your comment with regards alcoholism and dragging your debate into another Celts personal issue was pretty low and worthy of an apology.
MWD
fencelt
thankyou !
email of gratitude sent to ClydeFC
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info@clydefc.co.uk
just turned on radio scotland,is it Graham Spiers thats talking a lot
of pish about going forward in a time machine and seeing your team go bust
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 30 June, 2012 at 15:42 said:
Thomthetim, Doc
That battle is for further down the road.
Let’s deal with what is immediately in front of us.
Plenty of worthy causes to donate your surplus funds to.
I’m off to watch Donegal dish out another lesson on how GAA fitba’ should be played!!
I’ve been reading the comments on paper forums and noticed this cracker
‘Sink us and we’ll sink you’ Rangers fans still showing zero humility. My own club Raith Rover were one of the first to speak out in the SFL and I’m proud of that. A news flash for Rangers fans of the ‘you can’t live without us’ persuasion. Raith Rovers left the top league on 1997. We haven’t played Rangers since. We’ve not gone bust. The only team that has gone bust is Rangers FC. Enjoy supporting your Newco with no history and no players down in Division 3. That’s if the SFL votes you in of course.
gordybhoy64 on 30 June, 2012 at 16:16 said:
Graham Spiers is hurting ……. Think they are all wishing they could turn back the clock….they now know their collusion / silence has contributed to the demise of the bhun….
gordybhoy64 on 30 June, 2012 at 16:16 said:
just turned on radio scotland,is it Graham Spiers thats talking a lot
of pish about going forward in a time machine and seeing your team go bust
Yes…………….. No3 MSM hack talking lilian gish on radio hootsman today
Doc is Neil Lennon on 30 June, 2012 at 15:36 said:
thomthethim CQN (genuine) Badge Wearer on 30 June, 2012 at 15:36 said:
Agree with your comments and sentiments bhoys – the next 2 years may well reshape the game here in Scotland.
Whilst Celtic have a great opportunity to help and encourage the smaller clubs (without being handcuffed to oldco) – I don’t expect us to get it any easier when we take the field against them. We have the players, finance and most importantly the support to deal with that!
We have a rich history of; democracy, diversity and innovation – we have a knowledgeable board and the commercial contacts that could benefit the league we play in – it’s time for us to take the game forward on and off the park.
For better or worse – our Club are here in Scotland for the foreseeable future – our model should be the benchmark that our opponents aspire to (even as a scaled-down version).
Time for Celtic to take a leading role – their demise (and consignment to the history bin) should be the catalyst for major change and benefit for all clubs.
Comments now over 1850, who will get post no 1888?
Ulcyr (No to their newco in any league, ever)
67heaven/lionsroar67,
cheers bhoys,
unbelievable listening to one of our supposed best journalists
talking so much garbage
britney would like to go back in time to tell sdm not to take up the ebts. I thought there was nothing wrong with ebts?
rangers fc don’t exist, if they did then chico green wouldn’t have had to re-apply for sfa membership.
MDW,
sorry I dont agree,it is a perfecty legitimate analogy.
bjmac, has been hounding me because my integrity has kept me from buying a season ticket since the old firm joint sponsorship, he has attempted to ridicule my position, simply because I stand by my principals.
He then has a go at my mental health, why, again because I stand by my principals
He like many IMO have been trying to bully other Celtic supporters into buying a season tickets on the back of the changes coming to the scottish game, I challenged him to provide one shred of evidence that the board he done anything, he never even tried, just spent his time trying to be condescening (like being savaged by a seabass) towards my stance, and questioning my allegance.
IMO every other supporter in scotland who refused to buy season tickets from their teams, have acted with more integrity than Celtic suporters who have already bought theirs.
We had the arguments before it all truely kicked off, why should I punish my team, a very disingenious argument IMO anyway, and one designed to ecourage emotional blackmail.
So taking that logic on to the next step, why should the suport of all other clubs punish their own, I’ll tell you why, it has and never will be about punishment it is and always was about the integrity of the game, something I am begining to believe the Celtic support care less and less about.
bjmac and the peewee gazebo mob hae been having digs and even trying to have me censored and banned from he site since eurochamp67 declared the hundead tax evasion was not a profound question.
MDW,
one question to you, did you read the whole conversation.
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Just sent this to Clyde FC:
Congratulations on your statement today. I think it is eloquent, erudite and an excellent summation of the current scenario. I would like to applaud the board of Clyde FC for taking a stand that cherishes the whole ethos of sporting integrity in Scotland.
Scottish football fans everywhere will see Clyde now at the forefront of “telling it how it really is”. Thanks again and good fortune in the coming season.
Their statement wouldn’t have been out of place on CQN
how did minty know, in advance of any publicity, who celtic were thinking of signing? did someone in the sfa feel the need to update their paymaster?
how many celtic targets did RFC(RIH) nip in and nick? Surely not?
MDW, as for dragging other peoples problems into itimplies I knew about it, no very impressed with that implication at all, and duely expecting an aplolgy from yourself for implying at was my motive.