Being responsible is not always easy, especially when it comes to running a football club, where playing to the gallery offers vastly better short-term returns, and no doubt a rush of endorphins.
If your fans are engaged in an activity which regularly brings them to the attention of the courts, and your club into disrepute, it doesn’t matter what you think of the apparent offense. You may chant an offending song in the shower every morning month, but your only public comment on the matter can be to chastise and urge fans to desist.
Clubs in Scotland voted against what is known as strict liability. This means they are not held responsible for transgressions by their fans – and who wants to be held responsible for the actions of others who protected from personal liability by hiding in a crowd.
Part of the deal on not having strict liability is that clubs must demonstrate that they take all steps necessary to dissuade and educate their fans from carrying out criminal or regulatory offenses. It’s simply not possible for club to tell fans their illegal actions were justified, as this would place the club itself in the firing line.
The nonsense following the Scottish Cup final is all background noise as far as we are concerned, but be aware the contagion will spread beyond those you could consider highly dysfunctional operators.
Solving Kids Cancer in memory of Oscar Knox
Our own Bundoran Bhoy will run the Edinburgh Marathon on Sunday on behalf of Solving Kids Cancer. He has put in an enormous amount of work ahead of the event, for a cause which you are only too familiar with.
26 miles is a long way to run. You can give him some encouragement on his Just Giving page.
Good luck, Tommy.
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BRTH
The still image definitely appeared after the goal and not before the match. It prolonged my celebration of Cologne’s goal by about 10 minutes.
WWW(GBWO) on 30th May 2016 10:48 am
No see my post above — maybe I am wrong. Maybe it was Cologne but I distinctly remember after the goal the picture coming up and thinking ” That ain’t Kempes!”.
Maybe I was on the booze!
Jimmynotpaul,
Thank-you,
Clother, Clougher, Clogher :))
Fabulous day in the land of Cú Chulainn !
Bournes
Thanks for the antidote. I much prefer Take 2 :-))
BRTH and others regarding the appearance of Jesus during STV’s live transmission of the Rangers (IL) (1872-2012) v Cologne in 1979.
My recollection is that the image (I think it was Dali’s Saint John of the Cross which hangs in Kelvingrove art gallery) appeared after Dieter Muller scored to put Cologne 1-0 ahead. The game at Ibrox finished in a 1-1 draw however the Germans had won the first leg 1—0.
As Squire Danaher posted previously, the game had been delayed 24 hours due to bad weather and was played on the Thursday night. The Celtic v Rangers (IL) league game was due to take place the following Saturday with an early kick-off however it was controversially postponed.
I lived right next to Hampden at that time and although there had been a light fall of snow on the Saturday morning I was astonished the game had been cancelled.
In “Playing for Celtic No 11” there is a very interesting photograph (on page 22) of Billy McNeill and John Clark meeting Frank Campbell, the Queens Park secretary, on the Hampden pitch. The caption under the photograph reads “ An unhappy day, as manager McNeill, watched by John Clark, makes his point forcibly to Queens Park secretary Frank Campbell, who still insists the match with Rangers (IL) is off.”
This incident is yet another example of the cosy relationship the Rangers (IL) enjoyed (and still do) with the Hampden authorities. Another is the incredulous decision to drop Kenny Dalglish from the Scotland team as he was about to break the record of successive national team appearances held by George Young of Rangers (IL).
Strangely enough….it wasnt during football that i saw Jesus, it was at the snack bar at the Botanics.
I said….are you a student on the p***, he said, no, im jesus….fair enough.
Although i was talking to a local character called ‘Bible John’…..eevry area in Glasgow no doubt has one, religious nut.
I say…Hows it going, bible john replies not bad.
I sit down with my coffee, he begins to tell me how his night went.
‘Im just back for an appointment with the Chief Constable( it was 4 am).
I says..what for.
The bold Bible John says with a straight face…..somebody has been breaking into my house and have been stealing my electricity….from my meter…..so i called the Chief Constable.
I said….Who do you think would do that?
Bible says…..The Russians.
I said…ok bud….see you later.
Bible says….but wait.
I say…see ya.
HH
Robert Powell (aka Jesus of Nazareth) is 71 and, possibly, a Man Utd fan.
Interesting facts #22 and 23.
HH!!
TALLYBHOY
He’s 72 on Wednesday. Does that mean we can have another Christmas Day?
I think I might be a bit late wi my cards,mind…
I remember the apparition of Jesus on the cross during the game. I am sure it was Cologne. Me and the Old Boy (RIP) went from WTF puzzlement to hysterical laughter as we slowly realised what we were seeing. It was definitely during the game rather than before.
BTW…same guy, bible john….waylaid me with a crucifix.
Popped out of nowhere as i was walking home from town…again 4 am.
Held up the crucifix…and shouted at the top of his voice on Maryhill Rd…..REPENT
I shout…Feck off you headcase.
Lunatic follows me up the road, 100 yards behind me…..REPENT, REPENT
Next minute, out of nowhere…..sherpa comes round the corner…..copper gets out, opens the back and throws bible right in the back of the sherpa……he is still screaming REPENT as the Sherpa drove away.
BTW…I was stone cold sober:)
HH
Robert Powellis it? -must be time to post link to Pan’s People
TALLYBHOY
I’m sure Robert Powell was married to the big blonde from Pans People
HH
WWW
That’ll be Babs ……
The appearance of Jesus on the cross during their game led to great laughter in our house too. As I said about the postponed game. The sun was out at 4 o clock on the Friday when i was on my way home from school. Couldn’t understand why my father was telling me the game was off. Didn’t take me long to learn why these things happen.
Robert Powell?
Captain Walker didn’t come home, his unborn child will never know him.
Thewho CSC
Beautiful Babs
Wonder what her neme is?
RonnieBarkerInPorridge CSC
chauffage central
Neme = name.
What’s a neme anyway?
An Tearmann,
Here is a copy of a letter I mailed to Coca-Cola (UK) yesterday. No reply as yet but I’ll follow up in a few days. I’ll write to other sponsors later (PUMA etc) when later today.
Dear Sir/Madam,
The purpose of this communication is to ask what measures have been taken by Coca-Cola/Powerade to enter into a dialogue with the Directors of Rangers Football Club, who I believe are sponsored by your organisation, about the continued singing of illegal sectarian and anti Catholics songs by supporters of Rangers Football Club.
I am extremely concerned by the conduct of the current Rangers Board in this respect and I am writing to as a parent, to ask you to contact Rangers to articulate that sectarian singing at Scottish football matches is a criminal offence.
Can I ask that you consider some words of the song the ‘Billy Boys’ for example?
” We are up to our knees in Fenian blood surrender or you’ll die.”
Rangers supporters are referring to Irish Catholics.
This particular song is banned by law at soccer matches. It causes gross offence and yet it is continually sung by Rangers Supporters.
What compounds the offence is the attitude of the Rangers Board towards this behaviour.
To illustrate this point I have provided four enclosures,
1) Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012
A communication from the Scottish Government describing the law.
http://www.gov.scot/Topics/archive/law-order/sectarianism-action-1/football-violence/bill
2) A statement issued by respected Scottish Journalist Graeme Spiers where he alleges that a current Rangers Director described the song ‘Billy Boys’ as a ‘great song’.
https://spiersstatement2016.wordpress.com/
At the recent Scottish Cup Final 2016, Rangers supporters can be heard singing this awful song throughout the game. Comments such as those attributed to Stewart Robertson the current Rangers Managing Director, are to say the very least unhelpful.“If I recall correctly, the Billy Boys was sung after the Hibs fans came on to the pitch.” The comment is not accurate and to many people it appears to provide justification for those who continue to break the law and sing illegal songs.
3) A Statement issued by Rangers Football Club on the 22nd of May in the aftermath of the Scottish Cup Final.
http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-60/
You will note that the Coca-Cola and Powerade Brands are prominently displayed at the foot of statement. In my view this associates Coca-Cola and Powerade with the contents of the statement.
You will also please note that the statement makes no reference to the sectarian singing. It minimises the role of the Rangers supporters who invaded the pitch and engaged in riotous behaviour. It criticises the BBC, the Scottish Football Association and the Scottish First Minister.
I gather that independant investigations are underway into the violence at the Scottish Cup Final.
4) A You Tube, video published on the 2nd of February 2015. The video is entitled ‘The Billy Boys are Back.’ Please note the singing from 2 minutes into the video. Please also not the distasteful comments placed by viewers.
Is this the type of criminal behaviour with which the Coca-Cola brand should be associated?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I04_tJ_bK4k
My immediate concern however is to clarify with Coca-Cola/Powerade;
a) What are your views on continued criminal behaviour of Rangers supporters in singing offensive songs such as the ‘Billy Boys’?
b) What is the view if the senior management at Coca-Cola in respect of the conduct of the Rangers Board in this matter?
c) Do you believe that Coca-Cola/Powerade should be associated with the Rangers statement of the 22nd of May 2016?
e) What discussion do you plan to have with the senior management of Rangers Football Club, regarding continued breaching of the law by Rangers supporters? The offence caused to the general public by this behaviour and the apparent approval of this behaviour by senior members of the Board members at Rangers Football Club?
Having read the Values mentioned in the Coca-Cola Mission Statement;
Our values
We’ll reach our vision under the guidance of our shared values:
Leadership
Collaboration
Integrity
Accountability
Passion
Diversity
Quality
I hope that you will be able to begin a process of meaningful dialogue with the Director’s of Rangers Football Club to clarify their views upon continued law breaking by their supporters and the responsibilities of the senior management at Ibrox.
I look forward to your reply in respect of the points I have raised and for your information I plan to share this letter with a number of Social Media outlets.
Yours Sincerely,
Jesus ? .
Nearest I got were regular sightings of a chap called Jesus Jellett who did naked freaky dancing at early 1970s London gigs . He wore a minging loincloth while travelling to gigs on the tube .Loincloth was removed when he hit the floor. He was also fond of dispensing nuts and raisins to anyone within talking range .
Jaysus
We have gone from Christ on the Cross to Bible John to Robert Powell and big Babs fae Pan’s People!
There were many of us of a certain age who would have loved have been in need of repentance after some time with Babs.
I know of one ex seminarian whose family realised he was not for the priesthood when, in a moment of unguarded weakness and forgetting he was not in the college common room, blurted out “Would you not just fancy two falls, two submissions or a knockout with big Babs?”
His mother in particular was devastated at the very idea her son could have such thoughts and was immediately resigned to the fact that she would never be the mother of a Bishop.
It’s highly amusing and revealing that the quintessentially protestant club’s supporters should be up in arms about the image of Christ Crucified appearing on screen during one of their matches.
Aren’t they supposed to be Christians?
One of the strangest things anyone has ever said to me.
One day i bumped into a dude i went to school with, hadnt seen him for years.
I say….hows it going, not seen you for a while.
He says…Ive been in jail. He then looks up at the sky….squints at the sun, and says…’Are you controlling those seagulls’
Now….what can you reply to that, except….’Are you ok’
He says….Im fine, and keeps chatting….unaware totally, what he has just said.
I say….’What have you been taking’….Acid?
He says…no, why?
In the end, i took the dude back to his sister’s house.
He ended up sectioned….recovered though.
HH
SOUTH OF TUNIS
Erm,where did he keep these nuts and raisins?
CLOGHERCELT
Good luck. I hope they don’t reply that they were singing in perfect harmony!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDSnjjdGh5M
Modern minging loincloths are rubbish
BMCUW .
In his hippy shoulder bag ..
I have just done some research re the man . I was pleased to learn that other people remember the man.
CKR off?
I hope so. He’s utter pish.
Lawwell and Ronnie have a lot to answer for in terms of current squad.
BR will expose this as we move forward..
Jobo,
That’s very much like a forecast…..
FTSFA
H.H.
On the Jesus Apparition, that was the same game that the referee very obviously genuflected at the start of the game.
Again me and the Old Bhoy, hysterical laughter, tears, snotters the lot :)))
SOUTHOFTUNIS
Phew…
RAY WINSTONE’S BIG DISEMBODIED HEID on 30TH MAY 2016 11:47 AM
The ‘friends of Israel’ down Ibrox way need to be sat down and have irony explained to them.
They were undoubtedly upset because, as every Sevconian knows, Jesus was a Kafflic.-))
I also saw Satan one night….He was wearing a Beige Duffle coat and had a triangular tail…..spoke with a Glesga accent of course:)
And not a drop of alcohol passed my lips:)
Honest.
HH
THEGREENMAN
Just as well you were off the booze. The hallucinogenics were more than enough!
I too saw Satan once in Lewis’s Argyll Street of all places. He was all dressed in red and had a big white beardl
Oh no wait a minute. See this bloody dyslexia!
Afternoon gents, looking for a bit of help. Was cleaning my mothers loft out, and I found a 5 litre bottle of bardolino superiore 1998, was wondering if anyone knows anything about such a size of bottle of vino and how much it’s worth? I’ve tried looking but can’t find sod all, any help would be greatly appreciated.
TGM….those hallucinogenics still not worn off?
BMCUWP
All part of the fun:)
But….that mushroom tea was indeed potent.
Cops swooped on the lads at a midnight campfire at Bardowie,,,…we were all drinking the witches brew.
Daft cop grabs my mate…says…..you are jailed
My mate escapes his clutches and dives head first into the water and swims away.
Everybody is in hysterics by this time…..laughing like loons.
Coppers had to literally drag us to the polis station.
Wasnt so funny when we woke up though:)
HH