The Scottish Football Supporters’ Association (SFSA), an independent body of pan-club football fans, yesterday launched the first independent evaluation of Scottish football governance, at Holyrood.
The SFSA’s nationwide survey will assess, for the first time, supporters’ views on the current position of the game, including the performance of the game’s governing bodies in Scotland. The research will become an annual benchmarking & reporting exercise looking at all aspects of the game.
The SFSA’s online survey has been created in partnership with Prof. Dr. Axel Faix and Dr. Joachim Lammert, two experienced German academics who have undertaken similar evaluations on a national level in Germany and on a European level.
The SFSA, whose board includes former First Minister Henry McLeish; former MP and MSP Cathy Jamieson and Maureen McGonigle, Founder of Scottish Women in Sport and first female Scottish FA Council Member, has over 67,000 members supporting clubs across Scotland.
The SFSA is Scotland’s fans’ representative in The Football Supporters Europe network (FSE), an independent, representative and democratically organised grass-roots network of football fans’ in Europe with members in currently 48 countries across the continent.
You have invited to Have Your Say by getting involved with the project here.
Most importantly, you can participate in the survey itself here.
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Nobody did.
But I’ve read so many ridiculous comments today and it was yours, your assertion that the Celtic board is a creature of Sevco, that finally tipped me over the edge.
Because it was THAT bad.
Jimmy Not Paul, I was looking more at 6.12..
Incorrect to judge someone by a single post and for that you have my apologies.
Hail hail
James Forrest
You can spin your wee narrative to your heart is content.
The fact that you dismiss what i have to say, that speaks volumes.
Nobody wants to ask questions, including you.
Why is that?
You must not read the reams of stuff I write every day if you don’t think I ask questions.
But what “questions” would you like answered?
Go on then, I’ll indulge you.
As much as we’ll miss the GB orchestrating the songs don’t worry too much as there is still 1500 of us left in the standing area who will belt out Celtic songs. That’s why we are there………..:0)
just one question celtic on sevco why no call for action an honest question or are we to accept cheating do you as a club ask us as a support to be quiet about this does the establishment mean more to you plc the integrity
of the sport is in tatters and yet you want our money and to follow blindly not any more,i know the plc dont care about ordinary folk as they are tory like in there thinking and regretably supporters will be sacrificed to keep the plc safe in there back of the bus position
!!BADA BING!! on 21ST JULY 2017 6:29 PM
The Banner Debate is the new Songs Debate, open to interpretation.I got a text at the Hearts game, saying guys round about him were burned by melting plastic , and had clothes ruined due to the flares.They cause panic and alarm in a confined space, flares are not up for debate IMO.
Bada, generally agree except here you finish with the ‘IMO’. I don’t think it’s an opinion, I think that’s a fact!
CORKCELT on 21ST JULY 2017 6:45 PM
I just want to commend Bateen Bhoy at 6.10, a truly commendable real Celtic response to BT.
Hate to see supporters divided & using unfortunate phrases to describe fellow Celts, hopefully this can be resolved and maybe we in CQN could help by being more considerate & temperate in our posts.
Bateen Bhoy has led by example, good on you pal.
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Well said, I’ll have some of that, count me in.
SIONNACH ABU on 21ST JULY 2017 7:21 PM:
You are correct. You both are.
Let’s see if I can do the same for the rest of the conversation I’m having.
Cheers for the reminder.
PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 21ST JULY 2017 7:18 PM
As much as we’ll miss the GB orchestrating the songs don’t worry too much as there is still 1500 of us left in the standing area who will belt out Celtic songs. That’s why we are there………..:0)
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Have Celtic not closed the complete section down for the next two games?
SIONNACH ABU
So which one are you the big furry wan or the wee wan wi’ the zip:)))))
James Forrest
‘Reams of stuff’, is that what you call it.
Do me a favour ffs.
Who do you think you are, Voltaire?
TGM
I and thousands of other Celtic fans are stunned that you would think that our board are in anyway swayed by the Sevco board. The only’ influence’ they have is on how much laughter the celtic board members have on a daily basis.
In terms of giving addresses of celtic fans to the police… If the club as asked by the police to give the addresses of fans in a particular seat and they refused to do so, how do you think the club would fare with the police authorities?
You need to apply logic and common sense… please
We can greet and whine about this all day and night.
Won’t change a damn thing.
The GB are a cudgel that Celtic are being battered with. It’s unfair on the GB but they’ve failed to listen. No amount of appeals for justice will work as they’ve not boxed clever.
Celtic the whole club were about to suffer at the hands of UEFA.
Writing was on the wall.
No arguement, it’s their ball and they were soon to take it away from us.
Sunburst. 7.15.
Absolutely no need to apologise.
The blog would be very boring if everyone held the same views.
I will need to read back and view what I typed then. I will blame the medication. :-))
To give you the courtesy of answering your question. Me and my bhoy, who is an adult,share a season ticket very close to the standing section.
We used to have two but, he plays semi pro every Sat and my health isn’t great, so last season we downgraded to one ticket. Our supporters bus gives the ticket to anyone who asks for it when it is unused.
Hail Hail.
Stupid banners :-((((((
” THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 21ST JULY 2017 7:03 PM
Did PL condemn the racist abuse of SS?
No, he did not.
What does that tell you? ”
It tells me that, in this instance, you have decided that if you are not aware of something then it did not happen 0:-
JAMES FORREST on 21ST JULY 2017 7:23 PM
SIONNACH ABU on 21ST JULY 2017 7:21 PM:
You are correct. You both are.
Let’s see if I can do the same for the rest of the conversation I’m having.
Cheers for the reminder.
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I’m forever saying or writing things in the heat of the moment then after cooling down regretting some or all.
It’s easier said than done but definitely a goal worth pursuing.
Traditionalist88- on your response to my comment shows you misunderstood my point.
I didn’t criticise the GB, however for what it is worth, i think they got it badly wrong and will suffer directly.
My point was in response to the posters who ‘understood’ that the GB were just daft wee boys who will get older and wiser (like the poster/blogger is now).
I was informing the blog that one of the movers/shakers in the GB was in fact, nearer 50, primarily an Everton fan first and a Marxist – although he thinks more of Trotsky.
He is involved in a lot of the input to the GB output. Some good and some bad. IMO. He does not give one jot if these actions harm Celtic as long as the message gets out.
I have argued this point with him on several occasions to no avail.
It is what it is unless concessions are taken on board because in the long run there will be only one left standing….and it won’t be the GB.
Sionnach,
Nope the GB are a contained unit at the front therefore with the technology for ST’s they can easily be deactivated. You can’t stop the rest of us getting in for GB actions
Sunburst
Logic is it?
Really. Answer me one question.
Why do the PLC not challenge the HUN/SFA cheating?
Come on, lets hear it
The banner against Linfield was inexcusable and made action inevitable. Who the feck cares about winding Linfield fans up ? I mean Linfield !? They’re a nonentity and in this occasion I believe no other option was open to the board. Either we close the GB section or UEFA does, far better it be us.
Hopefully lessons are learnt and we resume normal service with a full stadium very soon.
P.S – on the subject of our board, I’d far rather have a consummate professional like Lawwell over a King character appeasing the lowest common denominator.
Paul etal.
I’ve been a Celtic supporter for a few years now and I enjoy the green brigade when they get the rest of supporters to sing along (come on you bhoys in green) comes to mind,but the banners that get raised is a no-no for me,especially the one at the Hearts game as BT pointed out, I actually thought that the banners had caught alight and the supporters were getting burnt underneath it, it certainly looked that way too me.
Banners are fine,but when you get banners such as those at the Ligfield game that again is another no no, Linking that banner with a picture of B Rodgers was disgraceful, I would’nt blame uni Students for that banner I would imagine that uni students have a bit more sense than that, but then again maybe no.
There is a tendency for the GB to go to the edge regarding what is raised at some games, rail yourselves in bhoys or the worst scenario may come to haunt us all, ie, Banned from European Football for a season or two, I would’nt like that choice and neither would like us thrown out of Euro competitions for a couple of seasons, and it could happen.
this all stinks of corruption at Euro level, we have had a lot of bad decisions by Referee’s in Euro competitions since Dallas was appointed to the referee committee in Europe, coincidence, maybe, but it’s weird that we have had problems since Dallas Got a job in European Football, he must give the referee a hint what might happen in a game against Celtic, could he tell lies about us,you bet he could, and would, if he thought it would benefit the other side.
I don’t know what can be done to repair the damage that has been done in the last couple of games, Lee getting booked for handing a bottle to the well
coached (by dallas maybe) referee. Celtic PLC has to fight for Celtic’s right to a fair game, and the Green Brigade has to be told what kind of Banners they display at games, and if they go against the advice given, then hell mend them.
Sorry for the ramble but I had to give my opinion on here as it’s all of us that going to feel the brunt of Eufa sanctions, and they could be serious, I don’t think I’ll be able to go too many more games but I think of the support that gets tarnished by all these misdemeanours that are happening to us lately, it’s not right for all of us to suffer for the few miscreants that are doing the damage to our club.
On a lighter note Foxy’s tucking into aromatic duck, pancakes, hoisin sause and spring onions ofcourse. Washing down with a cheeky Camp Viejo Rioja Gran Reserva 2010.
decided to treat myself ahead of Stars 14-1 tip I havent collected on yet :-)
Jeez oh, cqn loves a drama so it does….the GB will be back and
somewhere down the road there will be another controversy.
Ross Co are overpriced at 9/5.
agitateandaggravateCSC.
I will ask a simple question, yet again.
‘Why dont the PLC challenge the SFA/ HUN cheating?’
You are all quick to shout me down, so, lets hear the answer?
HOT SMOKEDD.
PL would condemn the racist abuse then soon be let down later by some Celtic supporters.
divide and conquer…..plenty of people could have checked banners beforehand. why not do it? and tell them what is wrong with it..in eyes of Uefa…. Celtic heavy handed butt I saw it coming.. lets hope they are so proactive when it comes to other fans at parkhead.. ripping up stadium… no ban there! singing racist songs…ok….
Okay, since you’ve got nothing to add, let me close off with this.
I take issue with what you said because it’s weak.
Not the argument, so much, although for reasons I’ve already stated that argument is, in itself, pretty damned weak; Sevco tells Peter Lawwell what to do. Presumably that includes hiring Brendan, keeping the integrity of the squad, the Celtic Triangle project and much else. As I said, it makes you wonder how, with all this influence over us, they can’t get their own house in order.
Something their fans should probably be asking, if you’re correct.
No, that’s not my problem with it though.
My problem with it is the assertion that Scottish football is still run out of Ibrox, and that any of our supporters actually believe that is what I regard as weak.
It might still be run for the BENEFIT of those at Ibrox … but that’s because the governing bodies are the weakest people in the whole game here.
But mark my words, the Ibrox shadow has faded. Whatever influence and power that place had is now gone, and only a hazy outline of it remains. That’s still enough to spook some people – it’s clearly frightened the Hell out of you – but those of us who have a big more pride and belief in our position … no. It’s not so scary as it was when we were growing up, and even then it was illusory.
Celtic are the most powerful force in Scottish football. We can’t be hurt or set back or damaged by anybody else in the game. Even if the SFA were to drive the whole thing into the dirt, Celtic would survive. Perhaps not comfortably, but we would survive. We are almost certainly beyond an extinction level event. Too well run to ever possibly fail except perhaps by an Act of God.
We are Scottish football’s hyperpower.
Don’t think for one minute that I am an apologist for this board. You know how long its been since I set foot in Celtic Park for a game? You know why I don’t, and won’t? Because a certain person still works there, and until he’s gone I won’t be back. And that’s not easy at times.
Added to that, I know that if Celtic were committed to getting reform and change in Scottish football that reform and change would happen; if it doesn’t come it’s because we don’t want it, and then, believe me, I’ll be asking those questions and as pissed off as you are.
We can’t do it alone, no matter how powerful we are, but Lawwell has been at this long enough to know how to put together a coalition of the willing. If he doesn’t it’s not because he can’t but because the will to do it simply isn’t there. We have friends aplenty and it shouldn’t be terribly hard to get people behind the shocking concept of Doing The Right Thing.
A club as powerful as we are, the only thing that can hurt us is … us.
And whether you want to believe it or not, this was a self-inflicted wound.
You are right to surmise that we are surrounded by enemies. I don’t particularly care what they think, but a section of our support is handing them boxes of ammo. And some of the shots they fire will hit their targets. The club responded because the club had to respond. It doesn’t matter if you believe UEFA have been inflitrated by Sevco minded people or that you question why the council would threaten to shut Celtic Park and not pay a bit of heed to HSE issues at Ibrox … assume the worst.
Assume it’s cause they hate us.
In that case, they too were handed a box of ammo.
If our club were to fight the corner of the GB here, they’d be firefighting on multiple fronts, with multiple opponents, and to what end?
The GB broke the rules. They jeopordised health and safety.
That’s an undisputed fact.
So we’d be launching this multi-front war for what purpose? To uphold what virtue?
Our right not to obey the rules.
Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?
And we know how the story ends.
My view is that the board are never always right or always wrong – so it is reasonable to agree with the stand they are taking with the GB but disagree with the lack of action when it comes to Res 12 and the cheating huns.
The difficult thing is not to get angry with one because of the other.
Hope you get my drift – Not sure I’ve articulated that very well
TGM
The board put out a statement asking for the whole EBT situation to be revisited by the SFA in light of the supreme court decision.
That is what intelligent, strategic, measured, business people with Celtic’s interests at heart do.
They may be doing more behind the scenes, but to make that public (just to placate some fans) would not be in the best interests of anyone at the club.
WITS,
wtf….Brave Deed…..9th….@ Kilbeggan…..had no money on it…..;-))
fauxoutrageCSC
H.H.
AN DUN on 21ST JULY 2017 7:30 PM
The banner against Linfield was inexcusable and made action inevitable. Who the feck cares about winding Linfield fans up ? I mean Linfield !? They’re a nonentity and in this occasion I believe no other option was open to the board. Either we close the GB section or UEFA does, far better it be us.
Hopefully lessons are learnt and we resume normal service with a full stadium very soon.
P.S – on the subject of our board, I’d far rather have a consummate professional like Lawwell over a King character appeasing the lowest common denominator.
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My immediate reaction to Celtic’s statement yesterday was that the board had badly over reacted.
On reflection and in taking account of the flares et al the board have acted in the best interests of the club in taking the action they have done.
As you have said hopefully lesson learned and new start for that section of supporters who contribute so much to Celtic’s cause.
James Forrest
Sorry, but your bollocks and nonsense doesnt work with me.
You want to have a proper discussion, you can find me, you will be welcome.
But…answer the question i posed, ‘Why dont the PLC challenge the SFA/HUN cheating?
Stop fannying about.
Answer the question.
Marodominic,
pretty much my view too,
not surprised at the reaction to the GB banners,
but disgusted by the continued silence on other
issues concerning the club
and the supporters
THELURKINTIM on 21ST JULY 2017 7:41 PM
WITS,
wtf….Brave Deed…..9th….@ Kilbeggan…..had no money on it…..;-))
fauxoutrageCSC
H.H.
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ah well… hate that walk to the bookies anyway.
Sunburst
That never answered the question i asked, which nobody seems capable of answering.
Try again.
One last point.
The Board have banned GB for 2 games with UEFA panel still to come.
What if they come back and say “nah, not enough, make it a 5 game ban” or worse “we feel the correct action is next 2 home games to be played behind closed doors”.
The latter scenario is obviously a worst case but as the sanctions are so inconsistent; you never know.
Wider support punished for the actions of a few. It’s not on.
Where is there left to go for Celtic FC if this happened?