I know what you were thinking; Zenden, like Ljungberg, but older. We need experience in the squad but with Commons, Ledley, Samaras and McCourt all able to stake a claim for the left midfield position this is the last place we need to bring in a 35-year-old. Best of luck to the player but I’m pleased he has left Glasgow.
Today’s Sun report that a senior policeman witnessed a crime being committed but instead of doing what he is paid to do, he reported the incident to Uefa. You have to wonder about the veracity of the crime. The officer will do well to explain his actions if they amount to anything more than a few lines in a newspaper.
We are all partisan in this city but Justice is blind to such emotions and taxpayers (that’s you and me) do not sponsor lazy gossips.
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Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) says:
13 November, 2011 at 10:23
Best post and summary I have read for ages. I support Celtic because of its inclusive culture, which I have always thought was closer to the culture of Scotland I know and love. Unfortunately Scottish football has been dominated by a section of society that is alien to that culture and has no place here in the 21st century.
gallagher I’ll post as soon as. This is car crash tv with Lou Reed in the driving seat. When they go back to the studio you can see Andrew Marr smirking, clearly relieved he didn’t have to do the interview.
Jeremy Vine 0
Lou Reed 10
row z \o/ (O) Mississippi Burnin Nearer Home says:
13 November, 2011 at 10:38
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I was at the FAC meeting yesterday and did walk out before Michael McMahon made his contribution.
I get your point about backing down I certainly was not backing down, I attended the meeting with my son and met up with some of his friends. They decided after the racist comments and certain songs being played on mobile ring tones.
In asked my son to stay but he was going with his friends and I was not going to let him go outside without me not knowing who was outside or if they would be attacked. I decided to go with him to at least protect him if anything happened.
Fortuneately there were enough Police outside for us to get to the car, but as we left a number of poice cars with lights on were heading to the scene. it looked to me that the group inside had been texting their friends in the Louden and Bristol as they looked on standby when we passed.
I reminded my son never be intimidated by groups of huns they talk a good game but rarely can back it up when a punch up starts at least 1 of the older huns I have previous with from my younger more Republican days.
I do agree with you but some of left for different reasons that I think you can understand
pintaguinness
Rangers, as the employer, are responsible for the NI and Tax contributions of the players, the employee.
The players have no liability with regard to HMRC, I doubt they even knew what was happening… their agents however!!!!
Gordon Smith was/is an agent btw; how much did he know???
Did he not work for the SFA??? How much could he have told???
Did he not work for the Beeb??? How much could he have reported???
Hen1rik
I have read your posts for a long time and respect your opinions.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Hail x 2
Lennybhoy…Supporting Neil Lennon and CFC until I die says
This article below confirms that catholics get more hassle than protestants in this sad bigoted country..
The mysterious case of the missing data…
Published on Tuesday 11th October, 2011 by Celtic Trust
The COPFS put us all to shame with their efficient and prompt cleaning operations….
Amidst all the contributions from football fans and others regarding the proposed Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill, one of the consistent themes has been that we don’t need this Bill because we already have legislation (Section 74 (Religious aggravation) offences introduced in 2003) which deals with the issue of sectarianism. Leaving aside the now growing suspicion that it is not sectarianism the Government actually wants to deal with, an obvious response to this is that we should look at the data that we already have and see what that tells us. The Catholic Church in Scotland has been asking for this data for some years now as have a number of distinguished academics such as Professor Tom Devine, the eminent historian. The small tranche of data (about 6 months worth) which was released made interesting reading. It showed that most of these offences (86%) were not commited near or in connection with football; that drink was a factor in most of them; that Catholics were twice as likely to be victims of these offences (even before you take into account the proportion of Catholics in the population which increases the multiple to six times as likely). If the whole data set (2003 to 2011) confirmed these statistics then the Government would need to think very seriously about the extent to which the legislation they were proposing was either necessary or would address the real issues. The admission by the Crown Office Procurator Fiscal Service (COPFS) that the data from 2005-2009 was destroyed, despite earlier claims that they could not provide it because it would have to be retrieved from a number of separate systems, is explosive and takes the debate way beyond issues around football and into the realm of what one observer describes as ‘government malfeasance’.
This piece of legislation is increasingly looking like the rock on which Alex Salmond will perish. There will, at the very least, be demands for disclosure about who ordered the destruction of this data, when it was destroyed, why misleading answers were given when it was asked for; why up until last weekend was the Justice Committee unaware that this data was gone etc etc
We would encourage all Celtic fans as well as non-Celtic fans who happen to believe in democracy to ask their MSPs to ensure that answers to these questions are given. If you don’t know who your MSP is, you can find it at Who is my MSP?
Sorry if this article has already been posted bhoys but this is another ? that needs answered at a higher level ie constituency..
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) says:
13 November, 2011 at 11:23
Cheers m8 and after reading that article i will defo look out for yours…..
Gordon Smith who was given a job by Ragers after the takeover but who is seldom seen or heard. The one time he was interviewed on Radio Scotland, he was unconvincing in his attempts to explain his role.
Of course, having him inside the tent might be advisable for Ragers and lucrative for him.
I cant understand why the FAC meeting was held in a loyalist heartland. I get my young son at the weekend and couldnt attend (not an excuse) but when i heard where this meeting was being held an ambush by them sprung into mind and guess i wasnt wrong. Do they not realise this Bill is also directed against them. Hope all who braved the meeting got out ok and by the sound of previous comments the speakers have not helped the cause one bit.
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Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) says:
13 November, 2011 at 10:23
good post mate.
There are points made in post that I strongly agree with and there are others that I would challenge.
I agree we need unity of purpose and the internal squables are not helpful. However can we really hold back when doing so may appear that we all agree with everything sections of our support are doing in our name. Can thst wait?
The ongoing issue of identity and the expectation/declaration by a vocal group that we are an Irish club who happen to play in Scotland where singing Ra songs is an expression of identity is causing more and more division. Both wihin the club/support and the wider society within the Scottish community.
let me declare right now I support the broad aims of the Irish Republican movement with strong reservations when it comes to terrorism to achieve aims. I am a ballot box rather than armalite man,,fully recognising the argument that the armalite and the bomb dragged the establishement to the negotiating table that paved the way voting rights. I totally ‘get’ that.
I don’t find the songs offensive in any way whatsoever, i know many of the songs and learned some as a young boy at family gatherings. I can play a few on guitar and often lead the singing at a party. In my teens and twenties I sang them at games ..no trip to Europe or away games on our supporters’ bus was complete without the ‘war music’ of the ‘Tones.
What I thought was an acceptable way of declaring my ‘Irish’ background and culture was abruptly halted when Celts played a Euro tie v Shamrock Rovers in Dublin. We were being asked to leave bars for singing ‘war songs’ a lot of local guys were getting quite aggressive about it. I wanted to understand why. I learned that memories were recent and painful. The situation was far more complex than I had realised. I was told that these songs are not sung at GAA or Irish soccer games for that reason. Tho’ I have been in many bars and homes in Ireland since, where they are sung passionately. Usually after some care has been taken to ensure that there is overwhelming consensus in the group to sing the songs..it is not just polite or decent, it is the right thing to do, To consider others.
I came to realise there is more to Irish Culture in song and music than ‘war music’ that a rich tradition exists where respect for others, forgiveness and reconcilitation are qualities highly valued. That the hatred for the cruel hearted monster of England and the Scots who swagger down the Falls road is confined to the elements of the government & establishment who seek to oppress. There is no antipathy towards the majority of the ordinary decent people in those countries, and not to the race in general.
Celtic Park in 2011 has a wide ranging community. It is not exclusively Irish, though I agree the vast majority consider themselves to be of Irish origin. What about the Scots in our support, the ones wirth no Irish heritage, there are huge numbers of them and they, along with the Italian, Polish, Indian, Pakistani, Celtic fans make the club what it is. Inclusive and welsoming and open to all the club of the peoples (sic)
When the non-RA’ Irish songs are sung there is an opportunity for everone to join in. When teh Ra songs are sung that is most definitley not the case. There are silences and an awkwardness that is evident to anyone who has any sense. Songs that
It is time for it to stop. They songs are not racist or sectarian. That does not mean it is right to sing them when we welcome others into our home at Celtic Park.
hen1rik
I posted a link last night for template letters for anyone who hasn’t contacted their MSP about the deleted COPFS data or the bs football bill
http://www.celtictrust.net/?func=d_home_article&id=323
Brinalackbhoy
When did I say laugh at the huns???
But PL is in (and has been for YEARS) a no win situation…
Balance teh books and keep Celtic afloat and finacially secure or….
Match der hun £ for £ and follow them into oblivion?
Win at ANY cost???
Might be your cup of tea but not for me matey.
It is clearly evident to me that even if Dermot had bought the CL winning side of Barcelona for £1 billion and played them in the SPL I firmly believe WE STILL WOULD BE FACING 4IAR for der hun.
Due to the fact they are facing not only financial oblivion but FOOTBALLING oblivion!
They are more than likely to become a NEWCo and at a stroke of a liquidators pen ALL THAT HISTORY IS GONE!
So, my question to you is…. you seriously wanted PL to walk that path?
Damnded if he does damned if he doesn’t!
Pathetic glory hunter!
Barrach Obampot says:
13 November, 2011 at 11:32
Cheers m8 as you can see that article was a while back and i guess I’m well behind the times lol.
i blame that on 2 kids ha ha….
Saltires
agree with everything you said in your post, usually can be heard leading the singing and a few on the guitar or at wee gathering, for a moment I thought you were me!! That got me thinking there must be more like us, by the way I am 52. studied Irish history at Uni.
HH
Afternoon bhoys, warm and hun free.
I think the person who should be looked at re the hun and their dodgy deals with the sfa is none other than the president of the sfa, one RC Ogilvie, he was a director with the hun during their EBT scam, I wonder what he really knows ?
St John Doyle Thanks for responding. I know your concerns. The ‘comments’ and ringtones were obviously deliberate. It also reflected the lack of maturity amongst a group of fairly young boys. It was also bravado and they were nervous too. My own built in radar said ‘no trouble’ but I suspect it’s not infallible. I’m sure their das and the real uglies were well stationed in the Bristol or Louden…………… in case. I’d have preferred to take them on in discussion but we never got there. The joy ripped on their faces as the ‘walkout’ happened was obvious and confirmed (for them) their role as the intimidators in control. IMO.HH
hamiltontim says:
13 November, 2011 at 10:35
Estadio
The Jury was magic do ye want to know the verdict :)
Agreed, first time I have watched anything on ITV for 5 consecutive nights, apart from football of course.
And ,at the risk of being a smart arse..I was on the money with my prediction about who held the key, but got the final call wrong.
So what hunnishly,hunnish hunnishness have the hunnery been up to in the papers or elsewhere this morning?
saltires en sevilla says:
13 November, 2011 at 11:29
Good post, your reference to the songs sung at sporting occasions in Ireland is 100% correct and IMO unarguable
row z \o/ (O) Mississippi Burnin Nearer Home says:
13 November, 2011 at 11:45
Accurate summing up of events at the FAC meeting yesterday
Joe and Jeanette deserved support from all who attended to the end of the meeting, disappointed in those who choose to leave early
kikinthenakas says:
13 November, 2011 at 11:43
cheers mate…I sent in error before checked :O)
I sense we are in the majority..I am 49 and suspect that if someone had tried to reason with me on the subject when I was 15-25, I might have laughed at them or more likely,told them to eff off.
It will take time
HH
M
hen1rik
Don’t worry you’re not the only one! This COPFS data would show where the problem lies in this country thus rendering the Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill unnecessary, which is why they deleted it!
ps Kit sorry about your loss.
Guys.
1pm kick-off today, if you can make it.
Celtic u19 v Killie u19
SAF Youth Cup
Current holders…..ih mitey glesga sellick….o yeh !
Lennoxtown !
We recently gubbed Killie 5-1 down at Killiwinning.
So I expect a victory.
Footy is such that you never know how a game can go.
Guessing, 2, 3-0.
No surprise if Killie put up a fight this time.
Hope its a good game and fair play to all the players.
No injuries too.
Have a great day one and all.
TC
Spongebhoy….keep the heid big yin, steady as she goes.
Chin up….”be not afraid” !
saltires en sevilla
too spooky, was thinking at 25 i would have been lecturing people like me and you and then when it fell on deaf ears and counter argument I would have told them all to feck off too!
enjoy your day, off to make the dinner for folk coming later, making a french lamb stew and having lashings of vin rouge! tell me you’re no doin the same thing?
HH
2010 Never Again
What is it with these dodgy huns and the tax authorities
ABOUT 200 bidders interested in buying controversial businessman Dave King’s 158ha wine estate in the Western Cape will be treated to champagne, cocktails, canapés, caviar, oysters and stunning views of Simonsberg mountain.
The Sunday Times has established that bidders may include billionaire Johann Rupert and banking tycoons Paul Harris and GT Ferreira.
Quoin Rock Winery, an estate worth more than R120-million, was used by King as a private retreat before the taxman slapped him – along with the company he has links to – with a tax arrears bill of more than R2.8-billion.
The estate, on the slopes of Simonsberg in Stellenbosch, goes under the hammer on December 10. On the day, the property will boast a huge marquee, ice sculptures and a cello player.
The SA Revenue Service attached the winery in July, claiming it had not submitted returns since 2002 and owed more than R47.3-million in outstanding taxes.
A court order for the provisional winding-up of the winery was granted on July 1 and liquidators instructed Auction Alliance to sell the sprawling property and its contents.
The estate is a former sheep, cattle and fruit farm but today boasts 23ha planted with chardonnay, sauvignon blanc, merlot, pinot noir and pinotage grapes.
Rael Levitt, chief executive of Auction Alliance, said bidders would include some of the wealthiest executives and entrepreneurs in the country. Others will jet in from Singapore, London, Germany, the US and Australia.
“The property befits a billionaire’s choice of location and has been developed to a level where it seems that no expense was spared,” said Levitt.
The Cape Dutch homestead, built by King after he acquired the property in 1998, features five suites around a large central courtyard.
Other assets include chandeliers, Victorian baths, an extensive collection of late 18th-century furniture, and artworks.
The estate has a helipad, an underground cave for business and social gatherings and four private guest cottages.
King has been locked in a legal wrangle with SARS since 2001 when tax officials questioned why he had declared an average income of R800000 a year for the previous 11 years. Following a two-year audit, SARS accused him of owing R900-million.
King said nearly everything he had was owned by a company called Ben Nevis, registered in the Channel Islands. King maintained that he could not be taxed on assets he did not own.
Ben Nevis, owned by Glencoe Trust of which King is a beneficiary, was hit with a tax arrears bill of more than R1.9-billion.
row z \o/ (O) Mississippi Burnin Nearer Home says:
13 November, 2011 at 11:45
I got a few growls after 1 of their young team came out with the statement about respect and wearing a poppy, and I replied this why so my of your mob got reserved jobs in the shipyards.
I agree with you no chance of them doing anything in the lecture hall, I was sure they would be waiting in the nearby streets, but said to my son if that happens just take them on, my real worry was that they would have had blades, some of them in the hall looked as if they had been on the booze or some other substance.
I said to Eddie T. we shouldve had in the club he thought it would be too small, we learned a lesson and we still have to kill this, expect no help from the KKK brigade they are coming from a different angle no common ground with us.
The SNP have conned some of the Celtic/Catholic vote they are starting to show their colours, this country is not mature enough to be independant, the bigitory and discrimination is still to deep-rooted in our wee country.
The KKK marches in the summer months combined with a political party BNP that they could rally to after independance frightens me.
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What a fine chap Sir Alex Ferguson is,sponsoring the SAF Youth Cup.
Any trth in the rumour that London-based Man U fans all want a seat in the SAF Stand?
Off to the pub for a wee curer.
Good afternoon Bhoys
THE EXILED TIM says:
13 November, 2011 at 11:45
Afternoon bhoys, warm and hun free.
I think the person who should be looked at re the hun and their dodgy deals with the sfa is none other than the president of the sfa, one RC Ogilvie, he was a director with the hun during their EBT scam, I wonder what he really knows ?
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2010 Never Again
I think you’ll find he also has previous form at Hearts too. When judgement day comes he will be steeped in it
Hamiltontim/Bjmac
Re yesterday’s missing word in one of our discussion topics: “Intense”
Only took at a day to recall. Brain freeze from the night before, I blame it on.
HH
CRC
U19’s playing up at Lennoxtown today v Killie in the Cup ko 1pm, just about to head up, need my fix!
Great posts from Celticforlife and Saltires en Sevilla, good stuff lads
The SFA are a corrupt organisation always have been and always will be..
I sen’t them an email about granting huns a licence 2 weeks ago and they still haven’t got back to me…
We just have to look at Mr Peat’s celebration at old firm game it says it all really after all he was the head of the SFA.
Farry,Peat,Dallas,Dougie Dougie,Mccurry the list is endless and if it wasn’t for Paul67 and Mr Macgiollabhain Mr Dallas would’ve still been in a job.
The referees in this country are a joke and they have the power to make or change decisions and that is frightening and before people say he’s blaming refs i ain’t our team have let us down this year but just remember the names above i have mentioned had power in their hands and look how they abused it against catholics and celtic.
If Mr Regan and Mr Salmond were serious about changing Scottish Football and serious about getting rid of sectarianism in Scotland then a start would’ve been the cup final were 20,000 or more huns belted out the songs of hatred and if Mr Salmond came out and spoke against orange marches but instead they said nothing so I’m afraid nothing will change in this sad twisted bigoted country.
A wee note if any huns are lurking, your ex manager sir watty is a disgrace of a man and i have lost all respect for him.
Why did he not come out and condemn the attackers when our manager was getting attacked and sen’t death threats.
The coward had to wait untill campaign was over but i’ll tell you why he didn’t come out, he is a sad twisted bigot himself and he is a coward of a man and i will never respect him or that sneaky creep fat Sally..
@hen1rik says:
13 November, 2011 at 12:17
A wee note if any huns are lurking, your ex manager sir watty is a disgrace of a man and i have lost all respect for him.
Why did he not come out and condemn the attackers when our manager was getting attacked and sen’t death threats.
The coward had to wait untill campaign was over but i’ll tell you why he didn’t come out, he is a sad twisted bigot himself and he is a coward of a man and i will never respect him or that sneaky creep fat Sally..
Excellent comment I agree 100%
Imatim
Aye he does.
It all depends how far people want to take matters, the corruption, fraud must be so deep there will be a real fear of not opening the box, and the establishment imo will do everything in it’s power to make sure the box stays firmly closed.
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Very sad to hear about the crap at the FAC meeting yesterday, not a good sign, it’s all coming together now.
Its a bit much to blame all on the SNP. Theres plenty of bigots in scottish labour . I dont see any of the political parties are brave enough to tackle the orange order issue. And without facing up to the extreme end of the sectarian problem the rest of any proposed legistation-bill is worthless.
Ard Macha.
Just got your post there.
Yes you’re right. Clan na Gael is his first love. No Idea about about the genitive case though – after all it was yourself who told me to forget about the grammar.:)
I was actually speaking to GH this morning after mass and he was saying about speaking to you.
And yes I’m heading to Casement in a few minutes. Looking forward to two good games.
Dar liom beidh se an clice go maith. Seans feicfidh me thusa ann?
I’ll be the cool dude with the goatee and flat cap.
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henr1k- Good post mate, the one person who has spoken out is Steven Craven- and we know what happened to him last week, banned sine die, with the blessing of Regan.
bamboo says:
13 November, 2011 at 12:22
‘Its a bit much to blame all on the SNP’
This is the SNP’s piece of flagship legislation.
The fact that they’ve singled out this issue tells you all you need to know about them.
bamboo says:
13 November, 2011 at 12:22
Do you lads not think that the deduction of PTS would sort the songbook out…