I know what you were thinking; Zenden, like Ljungberg, but older. We need experience in the squad but with Commons, Ledley, Samaras and McCourt all able to stake a claim for the left midfield position this is the last place we need to bring in a 35-year-old. Best of luck to the player but I’m pleased he has left Glasgow.
Today’s Sun report that a senior policeman witnessed a crime being committed but instead of doing what he is paid to do, he reported the incident to Uefa. You have to wonder about the veracity of the crime. The officer will do well to explain his actions if they amount to anything more than a few lines in a newspaper.
We are all partisan in this city but Justice is blind to such emotions and taxpayers (that’s you and me) do not sponsor lazy gossips.
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Actually, what Myth also said was (and presumably from the same article you c&p’d from)…
Walter Myth on singing bigoted songs (The Scotsman, April 2011):
But I think when there is a reaction, as there has been over the last few years, against those traditions then the people who do sing them – and I would stress that I don’t think it’s the majority of Rangers supporters – need to take into account that in a modern era it’s maybe not acceptable for them to do so. Therefore they need to realise the club are going to suffer quite drastic consequences if they don’t stop.
From the bigot apologist’s mouth.
Bjmac,
OK, you dont think the Celtic support had any influence on how oppressed people in NI were treated, I think knowing their cause was not being ignored was their greatest boon. During all the news blackouts and lack of publicity, there was only one place in the world they knew their plight would be aired.
Just my opinion.
Anti-Catholic? Perhaps not.
Apologist for those who are? The proof is in that ^^ pudding.
Last time: night y’all.
Knowyourenemy says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:30
I just laughed out loud at that response, you’re a total numpty. It is not the same thing when the word fenian is not only used to only describe people with connections to Celtic or republicanism, the reason it is classed as sectarian is because of its extensive use in describing catholics across Scotland on a regular basis – nothing to do with football or politics.
I have never heard anyone use the word hun to describe a school or a church or a member of any church. Your argument doesn’t stand-up in any way shape or form.
Hun is not the same argument as can be used for fenian or orange, if you can’t see that you need to remove the blinkers.
hh
bjmac
Dirtymac,
night bud, I know you’re no really a lawyer ;)
I’m no a real welder
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Bhoys..
Jinky’s Bhoy is Selling his Number Plate..J777NKY anyone Interested leave Your email and I’ll forward His Number to You..
Summa
OK Lads.
For what it’s worth.
Having logged in I see it’s the annual poppycock debate.
I am still officially a member of HM long term reserves and will be by law until I am 65. “Dad’s Army” you might say.
I never served in the 6 counties although I am sure you will realise that was more by good fortune than by any control that I had over any deployments.
I previously posted as ValeBhoy until some other cnut fae the Vale posting under vale bhoy showed up and wound up fellow bloggers by character assassinating every one of the Hoops until such time as they were a goal to the good.
Anyway back to my confession to being a Brit. As VB i had previously given vociferous support to the “how dare you” argument in respect of the normal honest guys that I knew where no motive existed other than to return home to their loved ones as a priority and also but not necessarlily secondary in nature but to look after each other.
I recall being called supercillious by critics and despite being annoyed at the time I have to admit I probably was.
Whether I choose to wear a poppy or not is of no consequence to anyone on this blog.
However what many in this blog argue for is true:
Firstly, many young men and women from this country have been sent into a situation where death/ maiming is a cetrainty for a credible percentage of those involved to further the interests of an Empire/ failng empire/ delusions of empire
That the motives of going to war for this country are not borne of the collective good – (see above), the failure to confont fascism in the 1930s prior to Churchill’s intervention ( I realise that I haven’t crossed all the ts and dotted all ths is on this one) up to and including all the poor young lads and girls being brought home in body bags firstly through Wootton Bassett and now elsewhere.
So what am I trying to say. This is an emotive issue and no matter how strongly you might feel about it we are all entiltled to our own opinoin.
For a final what it’s worth – my English teachers in St. Pat’s Dumbarton taught us about “Dulce Et Decorum Est” and “Easter 1916”. You might all want to read them before continuing the debate.
Bjmac,
problem is… he’s not really interested in heartfelt debate… its about point-scoring, terminology. The real debate should be about the policy on not signing catholics, the wee adventure with the orange strip, the nazi salutes, the wee sing-song at the closed-door game…. and why anybody would support a club like that.
canamalar
I don’t know whether or not you experienced what you’re saying, I can’t disagree or agree with you last post – I simply don’t know. If you didn’t experience it, I would be genuinely interested in how you formed that view, and I mean genuinely. It is not for this forum, so happy for you to email – I’ll pass on my address at a more opportune moment.
hh
Ard Macha
Sorry I have to answer that if only to clear something up immediately.
I am not telling you– or anyone else what to do— i would not be so arrogant or comfortable about lecturing anyone on what to do it is just not my style.
One other thing has to be made absolutely clear. I have long held the view that absolutely no one– and I mean no one including me– who was born and raised, and who lived exclusively in and around Glasgow, has or had the first clue what it was like to live in the six countyies during the troubles. THAT in particular used to get me into a lot of heated arguments when I was younger with damn near everyone– both Celtic supporters and non Celtic supporters.
I particularly could not stomach those who sang about events in the six counties who openly admitted that they had never been there, had no intention of going there, no intention of living there– it was just stuff that you sing at the Rangers. I hated that.
So if you have taken me for pontificating then you have an unequivocal apology from me because that was not the intention at all. In those bad old days all the British Political parties would agree that Northern Ireland was not a political issue for election purposes. I always used to ask how could such an issue not be an issue for an election. I had gone to Belfast and watched armed cars in the street, soldiers with riffles and so on. I had seen my father’s car stripped at the Derry Border crossing, seats taken out, bumpers off, lights taken out– right down to the husk– all because he had an Irish passport and was travelling back to Scotland. No reason given by the soldiers, no protest considered, no apology proffered. Yet I have always believed that I truly knew nothing of what it was like to live in Northern Ireland and could only imagine the experience and the feeling of oppression and disenfranchisement. I was not qualified to comment– and I am still not qualified.
In truth I felt very lucky not to live there– and I say that with no wish to offend anyone or disparage anyone’s neighbourhood.
What bothered me were the drunk lunatics who lived here and sang idiotic songs and add ons that they knew nothing about. I will give you an example. One guy I knew at Uni sang every word of every republican song with all the add ons. One day he honestly asked me ” Rooughly when did Wolfe Tone play for Celtic?”– and he was being deadly serious!
So sorry if you have me wrong– I ain’t telling anybody to do anything– I do advocate protest– in whatever way each individual chooses to do so– against a stupid law in THIS country where I live based on my own experiences.
I cannot speak for anywhere else or anyone else.
dirtymac says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:50
But I think when there is a reaction, as there has been over the last few years, against those traditions then the people who do sing them – and I would stress that I don’t think it’s the majority of Rangers supporters – need to take into account that in a modern era it’s maybe not acceptable for them to do so. Therefore they need to realise the club are going to suffer quite drastic consequences if they don’t stop.
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Not from the same article but obviously the same press conference ( never presume ) .
I see no problem with that statement within the context of his own views that I quoted above.
Sir Walter clearly specified his own position. When he realised what he was singing, he stopped.
The bit you quote, was directed at the idiots and the fanatics in the Rangers support who don’t think and behave like normal people. I would put no emphasis on the ‘maybe’ as Sir Walter uses that as often as he uses ‘particularly’ and very often both are used to disguise an ’emmmm’.
I suspect those who will boast that they will continue to sing the IRA songs are of the same ilk. Again, two sides of the same coin.
The gemme’s a bogey
This’ll never catch on at paradise, but pure music written by a genius – O’Carolan – and arranged by another genius – wee Paddy Moloney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LPix1XahV8
night all, peace
JQB
Knowyourenemy says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:30
I agree with you up to a point. I dont care what huns say or think. Really I dont. Its what they do that bothers me.
My heartfelt greetings to all in Timosphere.Another fleeting post of most probably nothing to do witht hte current thread.As i’ve previously posted recently my life’s in turmoil.But that’s not my point tonight.I am currently sitting alone listening to a mix of The Roses,Floyd and Beta Band on shuffle.I am also presently in a state of green induced herbal contentment for the first time in months,only a tempory break but a break nonetheless.
Anywho onto my point.If we treated Celtic wit more patience and belief and just supported i am of the firm belief our performances would improve immensely and enough improvement to land the title.’Faithful through and through’ anyone?
Secondly,by all means Let The People Sing.I personally don’t indulge.I once did but feel it’s run its course.However,good luck to those participating.Express yourself!
Lastly,this blog,odd schunt excepted,is a rea source of enjoyment to me,and in my current state that’s a miracle.The constant offers of congratulations,condolonces,personal help,not just towards me,to each and all,this acts as a strong aid to my mental strength and belief in humanity.I am truly,humbled by the posts at times.
So back to the struggle.Hope to pop back in soon.
We are a force for good,for progression,for love and acceptance.We are all that is great,flaws included.We are footballing missionaries,visionaries and friendmakers.More than a club,and the club IS the fans
Until whenever,peace and love to the real Celtic family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECk9A-07Pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGORPUzLxtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qUTL10lKyc
FOREVERANDEVR!!!
Afore I go
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXdaEihEyUc“>They want us gone
ßjmac ® °¿° says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:53
Knowyourenemy says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:30
I just laughed out loud at that response, you’re a total numpty. It is not the same thing when the word fenian is not only used to only describe people with connections to Celtic or republicanism, the reason it is classed as sectarian is because of its extensive use in describing catholics across Scotland on a regular basis – nothing to do with football or politics.
I have never heard anyone use the word hun to describe a school or a church or a member of any church. Your argument doesn’t stand-up in any way shape or form.
Hun is not the same argument as can be used for fenian or orange, if you can’t see that you need to remove the blinkers.
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of course you don’t get the argument, Because you are on one side of the argument. You are the very same as those Rangers supporters who use the very same argument as you.
I know many Rangers supporters who will swear blind that when they say Fenian they mean those who support murderers and terrorists who support Irish Republican politics. They are as adamant as you. Two sides of the same coin.
Br\o/gan R\o/gan Trevin\o/ and H\o/gan says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:59,
Thank you for your clarification.
How could anyone not enjoy that repost.
Bullai Fír.
Árd Macha
Margaret McGill says:
13 November, 2011 at 02:05
Knowyourenemy says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:30
I agree with you up to a point. I dont care what huns say or think. Really I dont. Its what they do that bothers me.
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and I’ll bet for everything they do that bothers you, I can give the corresponding actions from the opposite persective.
Murder, kill, shit in the street, cheat both on and off the park, threaten, intimidate, mug, pass bigoted legislation.ruin cities, attack cops, give Scotland a bad name and thats just in the last 24 hours..ya want more?
You think you are an intellectual dont you?
Yer thick! Accept it. Move on.
Explain to me in one paragraph how the term “hun” is sectarian. Please avoid using whataboutery and treat the wor “hun” on its own merit without continually referring to the word Fenian being used.
When I call you hun do you believe it is a religious term and if so which religion and please provide the evidence to back up this assertion.
You’re also a very boring hun
hh
bjmac
BRTH,
even when your old man was being treated like a criminal, your not qualified to comment ? WTF, all you can say is I’m glad I didnt live there, but this drunk one guy, cartman story, is supposed to explain why the Celtic support typically have no right to sing freedom songs. Your telling us one guy examples is enough to dismiss supporters arguments, starting to loose respect here.
Br\o/gan R\o/gan Trevin\o/ and H\o/gan says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:59,
Good luck mate, you are among friends.
Árd Macha
Get ’em Margaret, get ’em.
Margaret McGill says:
13 November, 2011 at 02:17
Now… thats more like Mags
BABASONICOS71 says:,
Good luck my man.
Ádh mór ort a chroi.
Árd Macha
Margaret McGill
You came up in conversation today in O’Neills, someone mentioned (can’t remember who) you may know TTT well – are you related?
hh
bjmac
If hun is a sectarian term, why do Hearts, Dundee Utd, and Aberdeen fans call Rangers the huns?
Should a dandy don taunting a defeated Rangers team be arrested for sectarian offences?
Or is it just Catholic Aberdeens fans?
Or Hearts fans?
Or maybe… just maybe… hun is just a nasty name to call a Rangers fan… with no religious baggage at all.
Margaret McGill says:
13 November, 2011 at 02:17
Murder, kill, shit in the street, cheat both on and off the park, threaten, intimidate, mug, pass bigoted legislation.ruin cities, attack cops, give Scotland a bad name and thats just in the last 24 hours..ya want more?
You think you are an intellectual dont you?
Yer thick! Accept it. Move on.
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That’s an easy list, indeed some would argue that the Celtic manager does 1/3rd of that list.
Just dropped in to say one thing.
CQN night-shift….
Totally Up For It!
As Usual!
Please Keep-Up The Ghood work Amigo’s!
May God Bless ‘Every’ Celtic Fan.
And there it goes… numpties can look up dictionaries, but sooner or later the idiot is revealed
ßjmac ® °¿° says:
13 November, 2011 at 02:18
When I call you hun do you believe it is a religious term and if so which religion and please provide the evidence to back up this assertion.
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yes, protestant, and the same evidence that you would use to suggest that anyone calling you a fenian meant catholic.
I would like to add to my earlier post that although the men and women who served the British Armed Fores in the two World Wars did so honourably, Britain must accept that the poppy may be seen now as an item of antagonism to some as a result of its hijacking by interested parties.
Also as has been pointed out the British Army has lost the moral high ground in various instances including its treatment of the Catholic Irish population demonstrared by its actions in Derry on Bloody Sunday in 1972. I read earlier on this blog of appalling accusations of British soldiers against Kenyans in the mid 20th century. If this is true then I can only add my feelings of revulsion against the British Army.
I feel that the time will be right following the centenary of the end of the “Great War” in 2018 to retire the poppy lest we forget those poor souls from all countries. It is an absolute disgrace in any case that the poor souls who have lost limbs beause of Blair/ Brown/ Cameron rely on charitable handouts.
JimmyQuinnsBits says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:58
Sorry, JQB – just noticed this.
I know that, but it quite funny in a sad way that he is one of their bright ones (he can spell) and his arguments are ridiculous. So hun should be sectarian because erm fenian is sectarian, they’re both the same – total numpty. Sadly it is these ridiculous views that are the norm in our media.
I have a very good hun friend, he called himself a hun for years, called rfc the huns for years. Around Feb time this year I met him for lunch, I was using the cashline and I said to him the huns aren’t doin’ well at the moment, he turned and said to me that’s sectarian, I burst out laughing, thought he was joking. I asked how he had changed his mind, this wasn’t explained, however I now understand from the idot posting on here it is because fenian is sectarian and hun is the same as that – what absolute rubbish…
hh
bjmac
Knowyourenemy says:
13 November, 2011 at 02:29
If by some you mean “thick huns” then err ok….but I already told you what I thought about their cognitive processes. Next?
Jimmy
You can just imagine his eyes glinting with mischief at his last comment, waiting for our indignation to rain down him.
I can’t be bothered.
ßjmac ® °¿° says:
13 November, 2011 at 02:33
JimmyQuinnsBits says:
13 November, 2011 at 01:58
Sorry, JQB – just noticed this.
I know that, but it quite funny in a sad way that he is one of their bright ones (he can spell) and his arguments are ridiculous. So hun should be sectarian because erm fenian is sectarian, they’re both the same – total numpty. Sadly it is these ridiculous views that are the norm in our media.
I have a very good hun friend, he called himself a hun for years, called rfc the huns for years. Around Feb time this year I met him for lunch, I was using the cashline and I said to him the huns aren’t doin’ well at the moment, he turned and said to me that’s sectarian, I burst out laughing, thought he was joking. I asked how he had changed his mind, this wasn’t explained, however I now understand from the idot posting on here it is because fenian is sectarian and hun is the same as that – what absolute rubbish…
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Again, two sides of the same coin, so those calling themselves Fenians, perhaps Paddy’s army no longer consider Fenian sectarian if used by Rangers supporters.
The same argument Rangers supporters use.
Yes I know TTT and I am related to 2 or 3 CQN’rs..maybe 4
Knowyourenemy says:
13 November, 2011 at 02:32
Have you heard someone walking out a protestant church being called a hun b? have you heard a school being called a hun school or pupils wearing the uniform of such a school being called a hun b because of the school? have you heard the word hun being used outside of football to describe a protestant ? I would be interested if you have, now answer honestly, no cheating, you never answered the last one in full.
hh
bjmac