I see several “fans’ groups” are engaged on the subject of our old friend, Juninho, who played around 13 games for Celtic eight years ago and benefited from an Employee Benefit Trust before and during his time at the club.
Can you believe this is where their focus is?
As Sir David Murray and a gaggle of his former directors will tell you, there is nothing illegal in EBTs, it’s the undeclared second contracts the football authorities have a problem with. Juninho’s EBT was not subject to any contract or side letter whatsoever. Moreover, our then chairman, Brian Quinn, regarded EBTs with suspicion and instructed the club to declare Juninho’s to the Revenue. Celtic even paid tax on money paid to the EBT.
The SFA and SPL, and every journalist in Scotland interested in getting a story right, are fully aware of the facts.
I suppose running with this beats looking at links between Green and Whyte. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for the record, stripping titles is not the ultimate sanction, not by the length of Argyle St.
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Aye, the black socks don’t look right. But there are bigger issues that need to be addressed first, namely Celtic players cutting about in white or salmon pink football boots.
Black. Three stripes. End of.
Tax AVOIDANCE is a right. It is tax EVASION which is a crime.
Quite so.
Rangers weren’t up before the FTT because HMRC believe they had engaged in tax avoidance. (thumbsup)
Paul67:
“it’s the undeclared second contracts the football authorities have a problem with. Juninho’s EBT was not subject to any contract or side letter whatsoever.”
Whilst I see our alleged “use” of EBTs as entirely different from the practises at the Dead Parrot FC, is it not undeclared payments for footballing activities that they have a problem with regardless of whether contracted or not? E.g. if we paid Juninho monies via an EBT that were neither detailed in his contract nor in the paperwork filed with the SFA then we would be in breach of the rule?
Given the SFA / SPL wrote to each club to request info on payments made via EBTs and can compare this to the papers filed with them at the time for the period in question I can only assume we have no case to answer or we would have heard about it by now but to me your article is too carefully worded and not unambiguous enough to put out the fire some are trying to start.
QB
petethebeat ,
I’m in london at the moment . can we discuss ? sannabhoy@gmail.com
Sanna
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 6 August, 2012 at 16:49 said:
IThe EBT tribunial cannot announce before the FTT can it ?
IMO I don’t see why not. The SPL investigation is into the registration of players, the FTT is to declare on the Tax bill issued to Rangers and subsequently appealed by them
Pity poor Minty :
“However, I urge all those connected with Scottish football to bring this sad affair to a close – now. Bayoneting the wounded is neither justified nor proportionate.”
Aye, right……I say keep twisting the knife right in until all of this masonic cabal start spillin’ the beans…..preferrably in a court, where they can start stickin’ each other in and collectively sink themselves and go doin’ their circular walk at the Bar Linnie…..the exercise will aid them in their spiritual recovery.
JC
I noticed that none of Celtic team and I dont think anyone from the sheep had black boots on Sat.
Think ref was only person wearing black boots
boom!
Mark Daly @markdaly2
The suggestion that EBT “loans” were ever supposed to be paid back is contradicted by the evidence the BBC has seen and broadcast.
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QuadBhoy – g. if we paid Juninho monies via an EBT that were neither detailed in his contract nor in the paperwork filed with the SFA then we would be in breach of the rule?
Yes.
So there are two issues here:
1) Tax compliance – Celtic complied with the law of the land. HMRC argue that Rangers allegedly didn’t. Hence the court cases.
2) The rules of football. Since Celtic were careful to pay tax on Juninho’s EBT I can’t imagine why they’d want to hide the payments from the SFA.
(thumbsup)
So The Mint, and Big Eck tell us there was no rules broken, ect ect.
We’ll that’s that then! Lets all just move on!
Eh, don’t think so gents. The days when you could spout your p*sh, and
every word would be repeated verbatim, then taken as gospel, are over.
Long live the Internet Bampots :-)
jc2 on 6 August, 2012 at 17:04 said:
Paddy wears black addidas, old school…
On 28 July 2001, Rangers played Aberdeen at Pittodrie. Rangers won the game 3-0. Making his league debut that day was a German who would later go on to become General Manager of Bayern Munich, Christian Nerlinger. He also scored one of the goals. That game against Aberdeen marked the first game where the EBT scheme that is the subject of the ‘Big Tax Case’ interfered with the Scottish Premier League.
Harper McLeod should take a look at Nerlinger’s contract filed with the SFA. Next they should obtain Nerlinger’s contract documents and payment history from Rangers FC (IA)’s administrators. Comparing the contract to the payment history alone will expose payments of well in excess of £1 million that are not listed on his SFA-registered contract. There is your prima facie case, Mr. Doncaster. There is no need to investigate any further to demonstrate that Rangers have a case to answer and that an independent inquiry is required.
The above was posted by RTC in an article in May. It is specific and it is accusatory. Murray should come out and be as specific in a denial.
However, he won’t . Partly because he won’t take questions, and partly because when the FTT report, the Internet Bampots and the legal tribunal will be perfectly aligned.
Comical Ali said it best. “there are no American Tanks here, none , it’s a fabrication” . We all know what happened 2 hours later.
JohnnyClash
You don’t work for Adidas by any chance do you?
sannabhoy – email sent
Ernie Lynch
Why should Celtic make a statement?
Ref Murrays Speech
From the mouth of the man who talked of ‘Superdomes in Govan’ , 10 for every 5, and many other classics…….reported in the true style by the supporting loyal media sycophants…….Suddenly they can all rest easy…..normal service is resumed….. Cognitive dissonance no more !!!!! It is all fine….
To qoute Tolkien re. Grima Wormtongue and directed at Minty,Jabba et al :
“The wise speak only of what they know, Gríma son of Gálmód. A witless worm have you become. Therefore be silent, and keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. I have not passed through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man till the lightning falls.”
And that lightning is very very close to falling on the heads of the cabal of cake-faces.
Reprehensible,lying scumbags,who need taken down a peg or two,and then get a taste of reality.
*****<< there are the only 5 stars they are worth. 5 quick clicks on a keyboard.
Internet bampottery : worth every keystroke.
HH !
Adidas works for ole Johnny Clash.
celtic40me on 6 August, 2012 at 16:57 said:
”is this your view – that paul67 is guilty of more (?) idle, uninformed speculation?”
I don’t know whether this article is idle and uninformed speculation or is based on facts.
That’s why I asked the question.
If it’s based on facts, the facts could only have come from Celtic.
If Celtic are going to the trouble of briefing bloggers they could release an official statement.
I’d rather they did that.
Barcabhoy on 6 August, 2012 at 17:08 said:
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Precisely. Well said.
HH !
Looks like the huns had 53 ‘Juninho’s’ spannning a period of 10 years.
No difference between us and them then according to FF.
Bloke @ 17.08
No. But I did once add a third stripe to a pair of Woolworths ‘2 stripe’ trainers – using tippex – to make them look like Adidias Kick.
theglasgowcelticway on 6 August, 2012 at 17:14 said:
Ernie Lynch
‘Why should Celtic make a statement?’
If the position is as stated in this article, and I believe it probably is, to protect the good name of the club.
And to stop the rumours in their tracks.
Barcabhoy on 6 August, 2012 at 17:08 said:
Bravo!
what are the chances, I am at this very moment working on a case for a gentleman named ‘Lamb’, first initial S. made me chuckle anyway
ernie lynch
You are entitled to your view.
All be it your view, like mine, is one which only sees a very small part of the picture…..
Those at the heart of our club naturally see more, and make their decision as to what action to take for the good of Celtic, based on that, much more informed view……
Ole Johnny Cruyff wore two stripes instead of three.
Test match hotting up……..Soth Africa rejects vs South Africa….
‘If Celtic are going to the trouble of briefing bloggers they could release an official statement.’
Ernie, I suppose it depends on the story.
As I’ve said, if Celtic were to comment on every rumour or chinese whisper, then it would set a precedent which could come back to haunt them.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong in getting their message out using backdoor methods.
SPF
So…Aberdeen wore white shorts on Saturday….and looked stylish..
Celtic…on the other hand,looked anything other than stylish, with the diabolical black socks…
Indeed…it is possible that this disastrous ‘new look’ is responsible for the poor early season form….especially in the case of our ‘fashion conscious’ confidence players..mentioning no names…
Anyway,I think there has been a general lack of inventiveness when it comes to re-naming the G.A..
Oldco/Newco/Sevco5088/The R*nkers..
Why not RaPeepilCo 2012..?
Similarly,the successor to RTC should surely be named ‘Chasing Moonbeams’?
Right ? Right !
Burnley78 – If we can’t trust Scotland’s answer to C. Montgomery Burns, who can we trust? (thumbsup)
Burnley78 on 6 August, 2012 at 17:19 said:
There’s deferential and there’s obsequious.
Ernie. It is well known here you were offered something not available to anyone else. An opportunity to ask PL face to face anything that was bothering you. You refused. End of mate. HH.
Well ,well ,well old Moonbeams breaks his silence and denies everything ,I notice he has played the old “it wouldn’t be fair to all the players who won the (tainted )honours with hard work and integrity”,unfortunately Dave if their boss had acted with integrity they would not be in this position .
Here’s an answer Davy boy why don’t we ask all these hard working players .
If you pay back every penny you got from your EBTs we will let you keep your SPL /cup medals .Lets see how far integrity goes with these pillars of society .
While your at it ,you could lead the way with paying back your 6m and give Wattie a nudge in the morning and see if he wants a run to the bank .
Stop squirming and man up yer teas oot
They can ALL prove us ALL wrong by paying back ALL their loans Davy boy
ernie lynch on 6 August, 2012 at 17:15 said:
there could be another explanation, that its neither and that paul67 has become aware of what happened without a briefing from celtic on the understanding that he includes it in an article. but that particular possibility doesnt fit in with your agenda so lets just discount it, eh?
so you are actually saying that you dont believe that its more (i see you omitted that this time) idle and uninformed speculation and your comment was just a cheap shot at paul67?
why on earth would the club be bothered about their good name if they havent done anything wrong. and if they have how would an article on a blog make any difference.
are you suggesting that the club are trying to cover up wrongdoing? straight answer please
Bom dia,
So I that I can try and edu-ma-kate a lump o pork at ma work here – can anybody point me to the ruling which clarifies that all players earnings must be declared to the SFA.
Thanks
Sevco to Seb Coe – A Tale of Two Cities
ScotPatsFan on 6 August, 2012 at 17:21 said:
‘Ernie, I suppose it depends on the story.
As I’ve said, if Celtic were to comment on every rumour or chinese whisper,’
This isn’t any old story.
The huns are claiming that Celtic are guilty not only of cheating but also of hypocrisy.
The MSM will report the allegations, so they will grow legs.
A few words from Celtic could put everyone right.