I see several “fans’ groups” are engaged on the subject of our old friend, Juninho, who played around 13 games for Celtic eight years ago and benefited from an Employee Benefit Trust before and during his time at the club.
Can you believe this is where their focus is?
As Sir David Murray and a gaggle of his former directors will tell you, there is nothing illegal in EBTs, it’s the undeclared second contracts the football authorities have a problem with. Juninho’s EBT was not subject to any contract or side letter whatsoever. Moreover, our then chairman, Brian Quinn, regarded EBTs with suspicion and instructed the club to declare Juninho’s to the Revenue. Celtic even paid tax on money paid to the EBT.
The SFA and SPL, and every journalist in Scotland interested in getting a story right, are fully aware of the facts.
I suppose running with this beats looking at links between Green and Whyte. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for the record, stripping titles is not the ultimate sanction, not by the length of Argyle St.
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Awe naw
you were right again this morning thats smith chumley speirs out shouting the day
Wonder what jabba will slabber tomorrow,dont think i will get odds in bookies with my guess :))))
O.G :)))))
tom
is this a 6 day test :-}
TootingTim on 6 August, 2012 at 15:41 said:
CQNers,
need to ask a big favour from anyone travelling to Helsinki that will be around Glasgow city centre today or tomorrow.
CQNer dettolandtheblackash has a spare ticket for me…just I can’t get there to pick it up from him.
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I can collect tomorrow from City Centre…you have email
HH
I wonder if Minty has been reading RTC and every discredited attempt by oldco fans to slither off the hook. Seems like he has bundled them all into the one statement. Too bad RTC has retired or that would have debunked in seconds.
All this fuss and confusion is easily brought to a swift and satisfactory conclusion Moonbeams…..just publish the detais of the money that has been paid back on the loans. Lead by example and publish the repayments you have made against the £6m+ ‘loan’ you received.
Simples
Sadly for our Dave this may still fail to satisfy the issue that all footballing payments made to players are to be declared to the governing body. There is also a brooding question from your statements about independant trustees of a benefits trust, would that make them third party to the club and player…..not liked in the football world as I understand from internet bampots. Conclusion, independant investigation Crack On.
The problems at Rangers have brought no credit to Scottish football and are a tragedy for the Club and for all those connected with it and who support it. They cannot be condoned and it is appropriate that there should be a proportionate penalty for the Club for the events over the last year.
Over the last year? Oh dear……..
seen this on TSFM blog
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Minty’s “I am not a crook” moment.
Nixon didn’t last long either.
Bad news MUST be on the way for the Sevcovians
Desperate from Minty Moonbeams. I am correct in saying not one penny has ever been paid back from these ‘loans’. If there were agreements, then surely Duff&Phelps were negligent in not pursuing these outstanding monies to help the club in administration. Right?
‘Rangers didn’t cheat!’
‘During my stewardship of Rangers no rules were breached or circumvented’
‘The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.’
‘Tax avoidance is a RIGHT’
‘Rangers sought only to provide financial security for players (and staff)’
Murray’s statement is the equivalent of the Grinch saying ‘Easter? I didn’t steal no Easter’.
Pop goes that balloon Minty…
Former Rangers owner Sir David Murray has denied any cheating took place during his stewardship of the club.
The Scottish Premier League has set up an independent commission to examine alleged undisclosed player payments.
And Murray is accusing the SPL of attempting to “retrospectively rewrite laws to incorporate items not previously covered”.
Rangers manager Ally McCoist has added that any probe into hidden contracts is “probably a waste of time”.
Continue reading the main story
“Rangers sought only to provide financial security for staff within the rules of law and football”
Sir David Murray
The commission will determine whether the Ibrox club breached SPL rules in relation to employee benefit trust (EBT) payments and arrangements for players between 2001 and 2010.
BBC Scotland has seen evidence, which was submitted to a court, suggesting that 53 Rangers players and staff had side-letters giving undertakings to fund their sub-trusts with cash .
Scottish Football Association rules state that all payments made to players in respect of their earnings from football must be declared by their club.
ernie lynch on 6 August, 2012 at 16:08 said:
pretty poor. what exactly are you suggesting in your original post? man up and say what you mean. straight talking please.
“…over the last year.”
kdc [shakes head]
David Murray “Bayoneting the wounded……..”
NO David….. It should be “bayoneting the dead”
Sffs
Ole Shangri La turnin’ into Shangri Lake. Il pleut tres fort.
celtic40me on 6 August, 2012 at 16:27 said:
So do you think this article has appeared as a result of a briefing from Celtic?
It’s a simple enough question.
The Honest Mistake loves being first on 6 August, 2012 at 16:19 said:
I wonder if Minty has been reading RTC and every discredited attempt by oldco fans to slither off the hook. Seems like he has bundled them all into the one statement. Too bad RTC has retired or that would have debunked in seconds
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THM
Meet the son of RTC :)))http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/about-the-the-scottish-football-monitor/#comments
The more guilty they are, the more noise they make.
Murray, like others recently, is making ‘boom’ noises to pretend that’s all the thunder there is. I get the feeling this could be a big week.
Leftclicktic
;-)
HH
‘Bayoneting the wounded is neither justified nor proportionate’
Aye if its Celtic wounded we’re talking about, but we’re not not, were discussing
cheating huns, therefore in this instance its both justified and proportionate.
“The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.”
If there were agreements, then surely Duff&Phelps were negligent in not pursuing these outstanding monies to help the club in administration. Right?
anyone tell me the attendance at the helsinki game ?
new strip – hoops look superb, the socks really are minging though.
havinh said that the trackie collar tri-colour around lennons shoulders will have the deranged zombies foaming at the mooth
Saint Stivs on 6 August, 2012 at 16:38 said:
52,800
ernie lynch on 6 August, 2012 at 16:31 said:
this is really pathetic, answering a question with a question is the most basic of debating techniques, you’re not fooling anyone.
grow a pair and make a simple statement for a change.
saltires en sevilla
Thanks a million. You have email, and txt:)
St Stivs- attendance circa 48,000.
Ole new black socks a sworn in ole days by likes of Gallacher and McNair, so good enough for them….
‘Rangers agreed contracts of employment with its players (and staff). The EBT scheme involved the contribution of funds into an offshore discretionary trust managed by independent trustees.’
BBC Scotland has seen evidence, which was submitted to the courts, suggesting that 53 Rangers players and staff had side-letters giving undertakings to fund their sub-trusts with cash .
ADAM Matthews was at Celtic Park today to launch ‘Celtic Way’ which will give fans a unique opportunity to become a part of the landscape at Paradise.
At the entrance to the stadium, a special area has been selected where fans can personalise their own granite paving stone with a message of their choice. The stone will then be embedded to form part of ‘Celtic Way’ here in Paradise.
The bricks are the perfect gift for any fan of the club, whether it be to celebrate a birth, a birthday, to honour friends and family, or even just to take your place at the home of the Champions.
Own or gift your very own piece of Paradise today by calling 0871 226 1888* (Option 3, Option 2) or email pavingstones@celticfc.co.uk
DOUBLE PAVING STONE
Completed in classic gold lettering, the Celtic double stone option – complete with Celtic crest – allows for three lines of text (14 characters per line, including punctuation). It will then be set into the ground amongst the statues of Celtic icons Jock Stein, Jimmy Johnstone and Brother Walfrid at the front of Celtic Park.
SINGLE PAVING STONE
Completed in classic gold lettering, the Celtic single stone option allows for two lines of text (14 characters per line, including punctuation). It will then be set into the ground amongst the statues of Celtic icons Jock Stein, Jimmy Johnstone and Brother Walfrid at the front of Celtic Park.
REPLICA STONE
Replicas of your Paving Stone are also available for fans who can’t make it along to Celtic Park as often as they would like, and this will be despatched to fans in a protective box.
Just in from work 2 letters from Hector waiting for me,family tax credit stopped,makes u wonder how murray and his ilk sleep at night.hh
celtic40me on 6 August, 2012 at 16:27 said:
Are you unable to answer the question, or just not prepared to do so?
For someone accusing me of having an agenda you’re very elusive.
My view, as I have already said, is that Celtic should issue a statement in response to the allegations made about Juninho.
Articles like this are not an acceptable substitute.
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 6 August, 2012 at 16:41 said:
St Stivs- attendance circa 48,000.
Ole new black socks a sworn in ole days by likes of Gallacher and McNair, so good enough for them….
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aye, i get the retro reference of the strip, i just hate black socks.
gok wan stivs.
It looks like many of the EBT payments were actually salaries that were paid up. See Billy Dodds. Completely illegal
If you know the history of the huns as well as I do it is quite a simple task to work out who that happened for.
This is why the hun looked so sleek in squad management and we appeared so parsimonious.
Ecks big EBT was when he had a salary dispute.
Was Dave Kings 25 million an EBT
Then their is the question about ex employees getting EBTs .. why ..what for ..was it legal.
The EBT tribunial cannot announce before the FTT can it ?
This is where it is getting interesting.
Has Sir Moonbeams managed to stifle the FTT and the SPL are about to pull the plug from under the whole corrupt she bang ?
HH
Ernie
Why ?
HH
Let specialties be therefore drawn between us,
That covenants may be kept on either hand.
One may upon the other find
a course covert upon which thou may impeach-
Let us then in perjure’s pact bind
like dark leech upon dark leech
so that when laws grim wave come in flood
we are not bolted loose
but riven deep like worms in either blood
not alone in doom or decline of thou dreaded noose.
Stivs – yes, they look wrong. Just like Aberdeen not wearing all red on Saturday looked wrong.
DBBIA/Beau BrummellCSC.
Off topic
I’m lucky enough to have ticxkets for 2 Olympic events. However, it turns out that I may not be able to attend one of them.
It’s my fault for buying in a rush but it seems tickets are completely non-transferable. I can’t even give them away.
It’s not a huge amount of money so I can live with the loss but it is frustrating when there’s tons of people who can’t go. Any ideas?
On the official site there is a story of our U20’s playing St.Mirren U20’s tomorrow night at Firhill. Entry is free.
Almost all games in this new league set up will take place on either a Monday or Tuesday evening.
A very good idea, long overdue.
SPF
ernie lynch on 6 August, 2012 at 16:46 said:
Are you unable to answer the question, or just not prepared to do so?
For someone accusing me of having an agenda you’re very elusive.
you’re kidding, right?
“Is this article just more idle, uninformed speculation?”
is this your view – that paul67 is guilty of more (?) idle, uninformed speculation? call it as you see it instead of hiding behind a question. seriously, if you dont have the guts to say it without qualifying it with a question mark dont say it at all