Turnbull Hutton, who resigned as Raith Rovers chairman in November, died last night after a short illness. When Scottish Football League chairmen were presented with an Armageddon scenario in 2012 his voice of dissent was first to be heard. Those at the top of Scottish football tried to convince SFL clubs it was in THEIR interests to grant newco Rangers access to the second tier of Scottish football. Hutton saw through this and called-out the presentation by Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster and David Longmuir, chief execs of the SFA, SPL and SFL respectfully, for what it was.
Craig Whyte bought Rangers in 2011. Within months his team crashed out Europe and he had devised a plan to liquidate, phoenix with a newco and present the SPL with a fait accompli – give me a place in the top flight and I’ll save your league programme and commercial deals.
Once Duff and Phelps were installed as administrators Craig lost control. Had he been able to force through a quick liquidation there is a very good chance the SPL would have voted to allow newco access to the top flight. Newco would have been debt free and able to strengthen their team in 2012.
It would have destroyed Celtic, who had no choice but to resist. As the weeks passed, one by one, SPL clubs said ‘No’. By May the baton passed to the Scottish Football League, who would not only be asked to vote newco as a new member, which the rules permitted them to do, but to elevate this club to the Championship.
The cost of liquidation and becoming a phoenix newco was established by Turnbull Hutton. The rules permitted the applicant club would ask to be voted into the bottom tier of the professional league structure. Hutton insisted the rules be followed, nothing more. For this, Scottish football is in his debt.
You have three days left to bid on the fabulous hospitality for four people one day at this summer’s Open Golf Championship at St Andrews, which takes place from 16-19 July.
The auction is in aid of the Celtic Quick News appeal to build a fourth school kitchen in Malawi for Mary’s Meals. Shuttle transport for the five minute journey to and from the golf course as needed, with beer, Gin and Whisky tastings throughout the day with the master distiller.
You also have the chance to create a unique CQN single malt whisky cask worth potentially £5000 for future CQN charities, and you will receive a bottle of this very special single malt whisky to commemorate the great day when it is bottled in several years.
Eden Mill is Scotland’s newest and most innovative distillery and brewery incorporated in February 2012! Located just 2 miles from the famous Old Course itself it provides a perfect base for hospitality for yourself and 3 friends on a day of your choosing at the forthcoming open golf championship on July 16th to 19th.
But this is so much more than just a day’s hospitality at the home of golf. Before taking to the course to watch, you will enjoy a breakfast roll or two and discuss your perfect single malt whisky with the master distiller.
Whilst you and your friends are enjoying the golf he will seek to surpass your favourite whisky by using the best barley to create the right wash and recommending the right type of barrels for our very own unique CQN 1/4 cask of single malt. A cask which will mature and provide over £5000 of future funding for our charities in a few years’ time.
You will return to the distillery by shuttle bus for lunch and an optional beer tasting and then for afternoon tea with a tutored gin and whisky tasting with the owner capping off a memorable, unique and very special day for your group and for CQN.
My thanks to Eden Mill for their incredible support. You can bid on the auction here.
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thetimreaper
18:34 on 6 April, 2015
the glorious balance sheet
As the bold Bomber said…’show us the deeds’
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Greengo owns ipox and is receiving £240k rent per month from sevco …… This FACT is not being revealed so as to allow the hush hush court proceedings to progress to the stage where ‘they’ can say ” the stadium has been confiscated from greengo” …. or …. ” sorry, dearHun, you are going to have to continue to pay rent to greengo” ……. If it’s the latter, the game will be up ……. and I think it is the latter, and that’s why ming legged it back to South Africa ……. he must have been really shocked when he discovered greengo owns the stadium…….AND THIS FECKED UP HIS PLANS
Philbhoy
When I seen weerons post last week i thought it respectful not to dig into Tony Ds problems,
When it was confirmed by another poster that Tonys brother had passed I posted my condolences, otherwise I would have waited till Tony posted.
I find it is only manners not to dig into someones business or grief.
Till later all
mon the C Palace
67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar…… Ipox belongs to the creditors
19:49 on
6 April, 2015
thetimreaper
18:34 on 6 April, 2015
the glorious balance sheet
As the bold Bomber said…’show us the deeds’
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Greengo owns ipox and is receiving £240k rent per month from sevco …… This FACT is not being revealed so as to allow the hush hush court proceedings to progress to the stage where ‘they’ can say ” the stadium has been confiscated from greengo” …. or …. ” sorry, dearHun, you are going to have to continue to pay rent to greengo” ……. If it’s the latter, the game will be up ……. and I think it is the latter, and that’s why ming legged it back to South Africa ……. he must have been really shocked when he discovered greengo owns the stadium…….AND THIS FECKED UP HIS PLANS
Speculation.
A more likely explanation for him heading to SA is a reluctance to use up tax free days in UK.
if you’d like to nominate Turnbull Hutton for the Scottish Football Hall of Fame;
http://scottishfootballhalloffame.co.uk/nominations/
leftclicktic
Digging!
Someone posted Tony was in trouble.
You could have asked, as I did, what had happened to Tony, but you didn’t.
And Tony didn’t post.
Nothing to do with manners.
It’s about caring for your friends.
I’m not ashamed about that.
This is an amazing piece. Highly revealing for any psychiatrist that might need appointed someday
BY KEITH JACKSON
Keith Jackson: Dundee United transfer cash saga smells of slyness.. & you only have to look at Rangers to see what loss of trust can do to a regime
06 April 2015 07:38 AM Keith Jackson
KEITH has a warning for Dundee United supremo Stephen Thompson and boss Jackie McNamara that they have a difficult job proving they are trust proof after details of the manager’s cut from transfer fees were revealed.
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Dundee United manager Jackie McNamara with chairman Stephen Thompson
IT’S arguably the most precious commodity in football. The glue which bonds the game together.
But here’s the problem with trust. It takes years to build, seconds to destroy and once it’s gone it will never be quite the same again.
And yet all over Scotland right now there are men in positions of power who apparently see no issue with trampling all over it, while treating their own with complete and utter contempt.
Folk from Hampden to the Highlands who couldn’t be trusted as far as Charlie Adam could kick them.
All the latest news from Tannadice
What went on inside Tannadice last week then – as a furious row erupted over missing transfer money – is a timely example of a club riding roughshod over the loyalty of its support.
It’s fortunate for chairman Stephen Thompson that Jackie McNamara conducted himself with a bit of class on Friday when, having been placed in a hugely embarrassing position, the manager had the decency to boot contractual confidentiality into the long grass of the allotments on Sandeman Street and tell the fans the truth about his entitlement to bonus payments from the sale of his best players.
Let’s be blunt here. This whole episode has an unpleasant whiff to it. It smells like slyness.
That’s not McNamara’s fault as he was willing to take on the job for a fraction of the salary of previous Dundee United managers.
This was simply Thompson’s mechanism of throwing in a financial sweetener, one tempting enough to lure a bright and ambitious young manager into his club’s dugout.
Thompson, indeed, is currently bristling with indignation at the suggestion there might be anything in the slightest bit questionable with the dangling of such a carrot. He would though, wouldn’t he?
The truth is there was a reason that neither he nor McNamara would have wished for this information to become public. It’s a question of perception. And, yes, it’s also a matter of trust.
Thompson argues this is a necessity brought about by the strategic changes which have successfully brought the club back into the black at the bank.
If the business model is dependent upon United developing young talent and taking it to the market then it makes perfect sense to incentivise the manager accordingly.
He’s right, it does. The fundamental problem Thompson has here, however, is that ethically this deal between boardroom and dressing room is all over the place.
Stephen Thompson insists he is on good terms with Jackie McNamara
Jackie McNamara (left) has been criticised for taking the bonus
McNamara admitted as much on Saturday when he expressed concerns that the fans may turn against him.
The fear is that his every decision will now be analysed to death by supporters who suspect he is selecting players not for the good of their team but for the benefit of his bank balance.
They will wonder too if McNamara would have done more to prevent star players Stuart Armstrong and Gary Mackay-Steven being sold to Celtic in February – just a couple of days after they had helped lead the club into a League Cup Final against the same club – were he not about to coin it in from the transfers.
McNamara is an honourable and decent man who does not deserve to operate under such heavy suspicion. This mess was not of his making.
But it’s also easy to empathise with the supporters who may even feel as if their own club is driving them towards a state of perpetual
paranoia as they might never be able to trust the decision-making process at Tannadice again.
They may even believe they coughed up for season tickets under false pretences and, again, if they did who could blame them?
This is fraught with danger for United at a time when McNamara’s team is performing horribly on the park as the disconnect could run deep.
The manager may even have lost trust in his own chairman for placing him in this awkward spot, all of which adds to the feel bad factor around Tannadice right now.
Hamilton’s Ali Crawford puts his side 1-0 up against St Johnstone
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If Thompson needs any warning then he need only look 80 miles down the road to Ibrox, where a complete breakdown in trust eventually led to regime change.
And where, even now that the worst offenders have been cleaned out of the club, a climate of scepticism still resides.
For all the good work done by Paul Murray, below, in highlighting years of wrong doing, the recently appointed interim chairman found himself with some explaining to do last week after the club was de-listed from the Stock Exchange for failing to secure the services of a nominated advisor.
That this will make no discernible difference at all to the rebuilding plans for Rangers was overlooked.
Instead, it became a presentational problem for a board which, above all else, must be seen to be whiter than white, given some of the grubby shenanigans which have gone on in the name of Rangers over the last four years.
It must be said, Murray has won a great deal of good will from the vast majority of supporters and rightly so because no one has fought harder to protect their club’s best interests from all those rogues in brogues.
Throughout it all he sought only to do the right thing for his club to such an extent that making Rangers respectable again has become his raison d’etre.
But there are those – both inside and outside of Ibrox – who dearly wish for Murray to fall flat on his face and many more still to be convinced as to the motives of Dave King, who continues to bide his time in South Africa while all manner of fire fighting has been done in his absence.
Murray has let one stand-in manager go while appointing a new one in Stuart McCall and this swift decision might yet be later reflected upon as the moment promotion to the Premiership became a realistic possibility rather than a distant pipe dream.
The club’s precarious financial position has been given the sticking plaster treatment with a short-term crisis loan and Murray is also overseeing the ‘forensic investigation’ into what has been going on behind this boardroom’s closed doors over all this time.
One month in then, Murray is making some solid progress but until such time as King puts his medium and long-term funding plans on the table – and shows the true colour of his money – then this new set-up will require the faith of a support which has been badly mistreated by a number of previous owners.
Once again, it essentially all boils down to trust.
Murray in particular deserves to be cut a bit of slack and time to come to terms with the scale of the task he has confronted.
But he will know the clock is ticking and that there is a pressing need for this new board to lay out exactly what it plans to do, how much it will cost and who is going to pick up the tab for it all.
If King and Murray wish to bring the fans with them then they will have to let them in on these key funding details before asking them to hand over season-ticket money at the end of this month – which means a clear, definitive announcement should be expected within the next three weeks.
At that point, perhaps Rangers can finally begin to move on.
But for United, Thompson and McNamara, it could be a long and difficult summer ahead
67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar…… Ipox belongs to the creditors
That money,which no one seems to want to account for,or ask questions about,does seem to be a rather large amount to ignore.There is soooooooo muchmore to come out of all this. Who would ever have thought the farce would run 3 years?.Seems we have a way to go yet.
I LUV IT.
barrach obampot
19:53 on 6 April, 2015
if you’d like to nominate Turnbull Hutton for the Scottish Football Hall of Fame;
http://scottishfootballhalloffame.co.uk/nominations/
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Please give reason for nomination.
He stood against the bullies.
Philbhoy
I never asked if you were ashamed ,I only pointed out my reason for not asking.
for ME it has everything to do with manners,but that as I say is only how I see it, I respect how you feel sir.
LOVE
Derbyshirebhoy posted under another name on the iii (financial) site.
He was always interesting, courteous and funny.
He managed to get Seville tickets and arranged with somebody he only knew from the site to go together. The write up was hilarious – mostly about how they had to sleep rough all the time in the middle of nowhere.
If I get a chance, I’ll dig it out tonight.
iki
…and championed sporting integrity
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo,
Thanks for posting that clown Jacksons piece.My jaw has dropped to my knees.Unbelievable.
leftclicktic
A post indicating that a regular poster was in trouble was completely ignored, except by me.
The post by Weeron was explicit in that Tony had suffered a trauma.
I was entitled to ask for more information.
The fact that no one else did, including you, says much about what I think of this site and those that post on it.
And that is a huge shame.
Wee bhoys club you are and in my book that stinks.
Sad news about turnbull Hutton for his family his club and the game in general
None of the blazers are fit to be at his funeral, none of them
Burghbhoy
Burghbhoy
When you were out of the country last July, it was brought to the committees attention that the plants were receiving copious amounts of water, although a submitted weather report suggests no rainfall for that period.
There is also video surveillance of a tall male, late 50’s wearing a sevconian shirt leaving your garden with a watering can.
I think this is conclusive to prohibited influence and flies in the face of common
decency.
I am confident of forfeiture of said medal in due course.
Leftie
I think most of us reacted in the way you suggested, not wishing to pry until news had been confirmed.
I think the number of posts after that offering condolences was reflective of the good men and women of CQN.
PeteTheBeat
17:23 on
6 April, 2015
Don’t want to pile on the bad news today but we haven’t heard from DerbyshireBhoy in a long time (maybe 6 months ?).
He had posted that he was having health issues and I wonder if anybody has heard from / knows him ?
DerbyshireBhoy passed away some months ago may he rest in peace.
stpatricksbhoy
stpatricksbhoy
Terrible news. Rest in Peace Derbyshirebhoy and may perpetual light shine upon you.
ht
I will reply to that post soon.
Oh goodie I can hardly wait.
Sorry to hear of the passing of Derbyshire bhoy
May he rest in peace
stpatricksbhoy
I am absolutely gutted to hear that news!
May he rest in peace and may his family have the strength to cope with his loss.
ht
Your crap sense of humour does you no credit.
derbyshirebhoy added to the cqn prayer list
requiescat in pace
Good night to all you holy willies.
You know who I mean.
philbhoy
19:40 on 6 April, 2015
Petethebeat and Tiny Tim
I asked about Derbyshirebhoy a couple of months ago and didn’t get any replies from anyone on here.
Not even a “yes, wonder how he’s doing”.
Weeron posted last week that Tony Donnelly had bad news and not one of you followed up on his post, apart from me.
I reposted the next day and still got no replies.
Someone posted that Tony’s brother Michael had indeed died on the Thursday.
No one was interested in Weeron’s post that a fellow Celt and CQNer was in trouble.
Not until the devastating news was posted that Tony’s younger brother had died.
You guys really do deserve each other.(Not Petethebeat or TT)
This is a members only club and quite frankly you deserve each other.
Sometimes this place gives me the fucking boak.
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I can speak only for myself.
I’m already on here too much.
I read almost every page. But not quite every one.
So sometimes I miss stuff.
Also asLeftie says there’s a fine line between looking out for one another and intruding into someone’s private grief. I think the vast majority always want to do the former and would be appalled if they stumbled into the latter.
Now……from the other side…..
My family and I draw huge comfort from the support we received CQN when my Mum passed it was truly humbling.
I hope that all who receive the CQN embrace at a time of trouble feel the wee bit better for it.
My view. And my experience.
HH jamesgang
philbhoy
20:26 on 6 April, 2015
Good night to all you holy willies.
You know who I mean.
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Good night, God Bless.
Sorry to hear about Derbyshirebhoy. Condolences to his family and friends.
HH
Philbhoy, Honestly think you have been a bit hard in your castigating posts.
Everybody is different. It helps some people to talk about their troubles others prefer privacy. Friends have to be ready to deal with either situation.
In general I think this blog is excellent in rallying behind people who need support and everyone rallied behind Tony once the news of his brother was announced.
I am indeed saddened but not shocked that Derbyshire Bhoy has passed. I promised him I would pray for him, he wasn’t in to that sort of stuff but was polite enough to say go ahead, ’twill do no harm. I did and I’ll pray for him again tonight. May he rest in peace.
I know that some posters do not discuss serious illness or indeed bereavement on the blog. Some do and I believe if that helps them in anyway we should all be grateful.
God bless Detbyshirebhoy
HH
May God Blease Derbyshirebhoy’s Soul, may he rest in peace.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
barrach obampot
19:53 on 6 April, 2015
Nice one.
Done for “protecting integrity of football in Scotland”.
jamesgang
You are one of the good ghuys on here, and I respect everything you say!
I rmemember your Mum’s passing and felt for you and your family. For me it was one of CQN’s greatest outpourings of love and support since I’d been on here.
I met you at one of the Hootenannys and though you were slightly taller and better looking than me I liked you!
For tonight I will desist.
You take care big man!
Rip Derbyshire bhoy
ht
I’m a wee bit emotional here at the moment, no harm or insult meant.
We will talk soon.
Take care.
Philbhoy
I well remember you offering unbelievably kind words on a post I made in memory of my da. I’ll always remember that, thank you.
Book fans.
‘The night life of the gods’ by Thorne Smith. What a laugh.