Last year we attempted to quantify the money other SPL clubs were denied by Rangers improperly registering football players – on the assumption that being found guilty of improperly registering football players was actually worthy of punishment.
Below is an excerpt of the article and figures:
Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or [then]Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and elsewhere. It is patently clear that the game in Scotland is failing fans and clubs alike. It is time for fans of SPL clubs to unite and move beyond the busted grip of the SFA.
Only SPL fans, working together, can ensure each of clubs has a viable future.
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miki67 – those thoracic consultants know nothing!
Stay strong mate.
Miki
I’ve obviously missed a lot on here and misinterpreted the seriousness of your condition.
The week’s news suddenly takes on perspective.
I hope your days are filled with love and joy and happiness.
I’m a bit choked mate.
I’ll catch you later.
Uly
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God bless
LB
Neil handled the questions expertly – he is a credit to himself and to Celtic.
The rags and BBC Scotland are itching for any kind of headline, but he’s far too clever for them.
Can’t help thinking though, that if he had really said what he thinks about this fiasco, he would have been slapped with a £250000 fine.
I apologise for the wonkiness of post at 16:19
(silly auld fool CSC :o)
thetimrieper
16:13 on 1 March, 2013
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A 2-1 victory would do me. Any victory would do me, we didnt
deserve to get beat 3-0 so a victory to put the record straight
would be good.
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What a scalp that would be M8
I’m not wanting to tempt fate so
I’ll leave it at – BELIEVE
Off oot – Sack The Bored / Board
After a spell looking in on hunmedia followed by a wash down with domestos I can confirm that the huns are indeed getting torn into NFL on their nazi internet forum. I’ll refrain from posting any link at this time as it would offend many on here. Well at least half of them are posting their filth and threats towards our manager, while the other half are waxing lyrical about the blackthorn cider deal.
Apparently they’re getting a six pack.
Puma.
….an irrelevance.
Saltires,
yes, they are “outwith” having their lunch.
Doesn’t it make it any more palatable though. ;-)
Miki67
Thoughts n Prayers M8
God Bless
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
16:04 on 1 March, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYvCcUW-iQA
I cannae wait for our game in Turin.
Tallybhoy
I wouldn’t come over especially for it ….you might be disappointed
Tallybhoy
Dont forget the flaming torches any mob that wants to be taken
seriously needs pitchforks and flaming torches.
No Lustig, Brown & Mulgrew tomorrow. Got to be strongest 11 available, hoping Efe & Izzy have their defensive brains switched on.
————Forster—————
Matthews Ambrose Wilson Izzaguirre
——–Wanyama Ledley————
Forrest—–Commons——–Samaras
————Hooper—————-
Subs. Zaluska, Stokes, Watt, Kayal, Rogne
I think we’ll hammer Saints, 4-0
Bankiebhoy
Nothing is irrelevant when Hun skelping is involved.
KevJungle – It’ll take Hampden Riot-2 to put orcs in their place
I believe.
The last 24 hours have reminded me of an old saying a guy said on our bus when I was a Bhoy.
There is only one thing I hate more than bigots and that is Orange b*stards.
Seems quite apt over the last day or so.
LB
they are skelped already……
And if you know the history:
The Scottish Sun, Saturday 20 December 1992
Pages One & Seven
NIMMO THE DIMMO
MPs blast taped QC
By David Dinsmore
SCOTLAND’S “Gay Judges” probe should be scrapped and started again, an MP claimed yesterday.
Former Solicitor General Sir Nicky Fairburn hit out after QC William Nimmo-Smith was conned into spilling the beans on his inquiry — as exclusively revealed yesterday by The Scottish Sun.
Last night, Perth and Kinross Tory MP Sir Nicky Fairbairn said: “This absolutely impurifies the whole process.
“I don’t see that the Lord Advocate can do anything but re-appoint a new commission to do the whole thing again.”
Yesterday we told how gay businessman Derek Donaldson, the man suspected of the Fettesgate break-in at Edinburgh police HQ, posed as a journalist from a posh paper to get into Nimmo-Smith’s home with a tape recorder.
He grilled the top lawyer for an hour over his probe into an alleged gay conspiracy in Scottish legal circles.
Last night. Sir Nicky said: “We have to clear up this whole unfortunate business.
“The Lord Advocate should start again with very senior people.”
He was backed by MPs of all parties who could not believe a top lawyer like Nimmo-Smith could give away so much about his highly-confidential inquiry.
Labour’s Tam Dalyell said: “I will be bringing up this matter in the House of Commons when the opportunity arises.”
Scottish Lib-Dem leader Jim Wallace added: “I am surprised that any¬one acting in a quasi-judicial role should speak to a journalist In this manner.
SNP leader Alex Salmond claimed Scotland’s legal establishment had sunk lower in the public’s estimation because of the affair.
And Tory MP Phil Gallie said: “It does not impress me that a senior QC has made such a fundamental mistake.”
Nimmo-Smith, 50, looked tired and drawn as he left his Edinburgh home guard yesterday morning — accompanied by two detectives and two uniformed police officers. He refused to comment on our story.
The Lord Advocate Lord Rodger and Scots Secretary Ian Lang also refused to discuss our revelations.
But a Lothian police spokesman said: “We are aware the report to the Lord Advocate is still to be published and we can make no comment until that time.”
A leading Scots QC said: “It doesn’t look as though the Lord Advocate has much choice but to start again.
“How can he allow him to stay in charge of such an important inquiry.”
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Comment: In fairness to Nimmo Smith Donaldson did have a business card saying he was a reporter with the Telegraph. He had just got them printed at a shop at Haymarket an hour earlier. The ink was hardly dry, but as I say it wasn’t just any old newspaper he purported to represent, it was the Telegraph.
Puma…yet another multinational company with no ethics
Btw ..interesting that the Blackthorn deal is only for one year ..
PETEC 1626
Ah,jings. I thought you were gonna post another wee classic-for those of us of a certain vintage-from yer collection.
This one,for instance……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSSGdnyvl1I
Here is some cracking names in twitter if you need help with a fans group.
@bartinmain
@THE_TBK
@HenryClarson
@thehotshot67
@Auldheid
@barcabhoy
Miki.
Consultants deal in statistics and medians. Every person reacts differently to illness.
God bless.
lennon looks as if he reflects the emotions of the entire celtic family – i imagine the board are stunned, disgusted and furious with this! i don’t think this is dead yet – i certainly hope not , peter L has to channel this accordingly – if we do nothing the fans will stop turning up!
“Celtic, and Celtic fans, cannot do anything alone. We need to stand with other SPL clubs, or to be more specific, we need to stand with the fans of other SPL clubs in the first instance. An SPL Fan Group is needed. More on this later”
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So so glad to hear this Paul.
I made a post along similar lines after the titles result, its whats needed if SPL fans stand down and let this go meekly sporting integrity is lost.
You have my vote for what happens next
And to quote a well known line in a certain movie about one mans fight against injustice
“On my command unleash hell” (peacfully of course)
Hail Hail
The SPL asked LNS to find out if Rangers (IL) had broken its rules.
There is not one shred of doubt that they danced all over the SFA/SPL/UEFA/FIFA rule books and LNS said they did.
Will the SPL do the decent thing…………..This is where the SPL Chairmen come in.
Do they accept LNS contention that they gained no advantage from £49 Million pounds EBT’s in the form of undeclared BUNGS plus their massive tax avoidance scams
Over to you Peter.
BOBBY
Every day is a Wonderful day when you realise things.
The chaos that is being brought about, isnae an accident.
Divide Christians as much as possible. Divide is the real spanner.
PETEC
And from the same album-spooky,huh-here’s what’s up for grabs…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot5lObb4YDs&NR=1&feature=endscreen
(And of course they’re TIMS too!)
“There’s a unicorn in me fathers room”
….hilarious.
Etims for a wee cheer-up.
KevJungle @1047
You must have been at St Joe’s the same time as me Miss McNeill music, wee Miss Doc Big Archie McKay Wee John Drummond (my RE Teacher) Big Harry Kelly ah memories
where’s this spl clubs/fans petition? Rangers operate under a different set of rules than any other club in the history of this game in Scotland. The fans ensured they rightly play in the 3rd division , the fans will demand justice.
They have been found guilty – now the punishment needs to reflect the scale of their competitive advantage gained over those years!
Matthew Lindsay @MattLindsayET
In fact, an apology is the very least Rangers deserve. Those responsible should be called to account.
Tosser
Dontpatmadug
An apology for what ?
http://www.celticfc.tv/freeview?vid=1841
Here’s Lenny speaking about the cheating and the game this weekend.
I posted this last weekend when I was checking the CQN NAPS table.
Three out of four for me after six months of being a laughing stock,I feel so much better!
Anyway,to whom it may concern,heartfelt as always,and never make a wish on your own behalf,etc…..
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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
12:26 on24 February, 2013
Just thought I’d dedicate the lucky 888 post to ALL DESERVING TIMS in need of a ray of sunshine in their lives.
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All the best to all of the best of you all.
Evening Malorbhoy
PF AYR
Getting caught?
Wasting the court’s time when it turned out there was no chance of them getting done?
The legend Johnny Doyle
Cheers pal for putting up that email address. An email has been promptly sent advising that I will no longer be purchasing my golf shoes or any other products and outlining The Rangers history of tax fraud and sectarianism.