Last year we attempted to quantify the money other SPL clubs were denied by Rangers improperly registering football players – on the assumption that being found guilty of improperly registering football players was actually worthy of punishment.
Below is an excerpt of the article and figures:
Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or [then]Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and elsewhere. It is patently clear that the game in Scotland is failing fans and clubs alike. It is time for fans of SPL clubs to unite and move beyond the busted grip of the SFA.
Only SPL fans, working together, can ensure each of clubs has a viable future.
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WHITEDOGHUNCH
Again,I bow to your superior knowledge on these things,but for once I can trump you-
Apart from my Mum and my sisters (who read this and put me up when I’m home) I don’t trust women on anything,haha!
Glad to hear you are on the mend,btw. It seems as though there is a bit of a queue to reintroduce you to the finer things in life. Always good to be highly thought of,bud-it gets you through sometimes.
Take care,mate.
Scott McClymont @mcclymontscott
NL “We are playing Juventus in the last 16 of the Champions League. We’re not renting out a training ground to them.” http://bit.ly/Y3WDDS
Lenny: “We are playing Juventus in the last 16 of the Champions League. We’re not renting out a training ground to them.”
is there an echo in here :-)
Well said Lenny! Now, fling in a few comments about posthumous penalties just to reinforce the point!
HH
Stopping my subscription to Adopt a Puma.
May as well adopt a Hun.
Second thoughts the puma would do less damage.
Had a fairy quick look at some other clubs’ forums (?fora), namely Kilmarnock, Dundee Utd., and Aberdeen.
Universal disgust at the decision with a significant minority referring to ‘Old Firm’ bias rather than Rangers bias. The fact that at least in terms of silverware we have lost out the most seems to have escaped them. For once I do feel sympathy for Hearts given Paul’s figures.
For any SPL Fans’ Group to work I suspect will require it not to be perceived as Celtic lead. Like it or not, most fans of other clubs cannot be bothered making the distinction. Some may see us as the slightly less ugly of two very ugly sisters while others are merely bigots / Sevco fans without the bus fare. We are not liked by the other 11 SPL clubs, not remotely.
Scottish media out to make Lenny a target again. Shameless headline with no relation to what was actually said.
Superscoreboard @ClydeSSB
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Paul67
Great to see some numbers around the cheating.
Fans if other clubs will be annoyed, and in particular shareholders and season ticket holders. They should act as a powerful collective, and probably will.
However, right here and now, I am far more interested in what the clubs are going to do?
I have been out most if today – have any of them uttered as much as a sound since lunchtime yesterday?
Or
Are they still ‘out to lunch’ ?
*making the distinction between Rangers and ‘the old firm’.
Thought that Lenny handled himself very well by not biting at the bait being put to him by the reporter (Englishman?).
He made sure that he got in the fact that Rangers had been found guilty of making £47 million in undisclosed payments to players over 11 years…twice!
The bit about us being in Turin for Champions League last 16 and not hiring out our training ground was wicked, but perfectly delivered with not a trace of a smile.
PUMA and ADIDAS famously were two companies formed after the DASSLER brothers,RUDOLF and ADI fell out after the war.
From the WIKIPEDIA page about the former,it seems the tie-up between Puma and the huns-sorry-was kinda pre-ordained,oooooops!
“Both brothers joined the Nazi Party, but Rudolf was slightly closer to the party.”
So there you have it,the huns can give their straight-armed salutes and say it is in recognition of their sponsor.
Somehow we all knew that this would turn into some kind of travesty of the old Tricky Dicky Nixon speech : ” There will be no white wash at The White House .” and so it came to pass.
Disney couldnae gave written this script any better.
$@!T, I prefer Blackthorn Cider to Magners! I might not drink Magners very often, but I certainly wont be touching that Blackthorn $@!T again!
BringbackNorfolkDryCSC
THE STENCH FROM HAMPDUMP WILL LINGER FOR MANY MORE YEARS TO COME
will the spl board issue a invoice to BDO for £250000 to add to the creditors list at RFC (il) ?
jam67
miki67
As you’re here. Your posts yesterday were terrific and gave real perspective. I offer up my admiration and respect to you, sir. Keep fighting!
Hail hail!
What evidence is there to support the claim that there was NO competitive advantage to the side payments(not to mention what was the purported rationale if there was no competitive advantage). Surely handy sandy would have to have supported the claim withevidence from the then markets and contracts for football players and for that matter why did LNS not ask for evidence for this claim. Why would a huge club, a mainstay of Scottish culture, a great institution may more money to players if the side payments did not improve the squad. So why was this claim not challenged ?
henriks sombrero-Could be the work of Lorraine Herbison ,she has previous.Re the Fleg riots,some company buying the history of Halls Sausages (i kid you not) and i complained about no coverage of CFC replacing kids toys at Ormand St Hospital.She’s from Norn Iron.
Isn’t it interesting Puma will manufacturing Sevco shirts in the near future….
Isn’t it interesting Puma have a store in Glasgows busiest street (Buchanan Street)….
Isn’t it interesting Scottish football fans will be protesting against corruption soon…..
Would it be interesting to let Puma’s big wigs know what a huge error they have made by doing a deal with the devil????
Still saddened by the shenanigans that went on yesterday and
the consequences for the game of football in Scotland.
Effectively the body with the responsibility for the running of
the game, for the benefit of all, has ruined the game as a
sport in Scotland for the sake of one team.
Would the players who were ineligible to play in Scortland
also be ineligible to play in Europe and ineligible to play
for their national team?
If the greek god scores 4 in turin and we go through, a miracle
indeed, i recommend sammi as the next Pope.
popesammithefirstcsc
Henricks sombrero
Given that CFC are customers of Snyde….should they not threaten them with withdrawing their custom unless they give more care to reporting
Jackie mac
Cannae prove a negative
Kayal33
googybhoy ♥ Celtic
13:42 on
Guys, I have Puma golf shoes I will need to play in my bare feet on Monday.
Hail Hail.
miki67
How you feeling the day pal?……….listen you’ve
got you’re own battle’s tae fight……let the rest of
the Celtic family take the strain tae yer back
oon yer feet.
THETIMRIEPER
Sami is likely to be Greek Orthodox,so not sure he is eligible.
Having said that,if he scores four on Wednesday,he can start his own religion-mark me down as a convert!
Just dropped in to say….
thetimrieper
15:58 on 1 March, 2013
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I dunno if yer being serious here but…I think that Celtic are rank just now but, you know what…I’m in yer camp wi yer Sammi prediction!!!
Well…no exactly as you describe but, I can feel it in my bones that the Celts are going to SHOCK the game on Wednesday !!!
Moon-men mix it wi the stars – CSC
Once upon a time a mate of mine and me were in this meeting, and this woman told interminable tales of woe which would head towards some kind of positive resolution, and then she’d say, ” And then……” from which another interminable tale of woe would ensue. In the end, my friend and I ended up in convulsions of laughter in the kitchen. We were not alone; you just had to be there.
So, today, I go to the latest meeting with the Thoracic consultant, whereupon he tells me I have a year or two at the best……if I’m lucky. No future.
You just had to be there.
CynicismCanSometimesBeTheOnlyOption CSC
A marriage made in hell.
Organizations promoting fair trade and worker’s rights criticize Puma’s employment practices in their developing world factories, predominantly relating to workers in China, Turkey, El Salvador, and Indonesia.[22][23][24]
Puma, like many globalised corporations, believes that “labour flexibility remains one of the key components to ensure that individual companies survive and grow”. These “flexible” labour practices allow the company to manufacture quickly and cheaply, but often under exploitative conditions.[25]
Freedom of association
Puma’s 2009 supplier list included close to 350 suppliers, the majority of which are located in Asia, predominately China, followed by Vietnam.[26] In these locations, Puma reports that the rights of freedom of association and collective bargaining have been difficult to enforce.[27] According to human rights and labour organisations,[28] Puma does not have adequate policies in place to encourage suppliers to recognise workers’ union rights. Puma does not require suppliers to allow their workers to form a union, nor does it require suppliers to sign union access agreements.[29]
Puma frequently has short term contracts with its suppliers, which means that at any time it can leave an area, and its workers, if they can source their products more cheaply elsewhere.[30] This lack of stability does not give supplier factories a good incentive to respect workers’ rights. For instance, in 2004 Puma decided to stop ordering garments from the Lian Thai factory in Thailand just after the factory had agreed to cease discrimination against trade union members.[30] In another incident, following the formation of an independent union at one of Puma’s Mexican suppliers, the company cut orders from the factory.[31]
Puma has not taken action to minimise the use of short term contracts,[25] though the prevalence of these contracts creates an atmosphere of economic insecurity and makes it difficult for workers to organise.
Low wages
In a number of regions, sportswear workers producing for Puma have been increasingly vocal about the serious inadequacy of their wages.[32] Puma has not yet made a full commitment to pay a living wage.[33] Puma is currently undertaking research into finding a practical solution to the problem of low wages in Asia, and is working with suppliers in Indonesia, India, and Cambodia to assess the feasibility of a minimum living wage.[34] Labour organisations, such as the Asia Floor Wage campaign, hope that this process will lead to the implementation of living wages in the future. In the meanwhile, Puma has admitted that it is still trying to achieving full compliance with the minimum wage at a number of its suppliers.[35]
Will we allow Bryson and Ogilvie to remain in situ ?
But nae worries, I’ll be roaring on Celtic tae Vistory over St mirren.
And Sammi WILL score that treble over Juve, and Hoops will rattle one home.
Job done.
HopeOverAdversity CSC!
HH!
miki67
16:07 on 1 March, 2013
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LOVE M8
Canny find the words….egg-shells etc…
YNWA
Kevj
Ya closet happyclapper.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
Forgot about that:-)
KevJungle – It’ll take Hampden Riot-2 to put orcs in their place
A 2-1 victory would do me. Any victory would do me, we didnt
deserve to get beat 3-0 so a victory to put the record straight
would be good.
Jee-zoh,MIKI.
miki67
Thoughts are with you.
Puma……..Surely Cheetah……..
Valentine’s Day
16:13 on 1 March, 2013
Kevj
Ya closet happyclapper.
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Aye – and yet another mask slips :o)))
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KevJungle – It’ll take Hampden Riot-2 to put orcs in their place
A 2-1 victory would do me. Any victory would do me, we didnt
deserve to get beat 3-0 so a victory to put the record straight
would be good.
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What a scalp that would be M8
I’m not wanting to tempt fate so
I’ll leave it at – BELIEVE
Off oot – Sack The Bored / Board
Sharpened pitchforks at the ready – march to Hampdump!
Ogilvie and Bryson strung up from the nearest lamposts!
They will do for starters!
HH!!