Last year we attempted to quantify the money other SPL clubs were denied by Rangers improperly registering football players – on the assumption that being found guilty of improperly registering football players was actually worthy of punishment.
Below is an excerpt of the article and figures:
Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or [then]Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and elsewhere. It is patently clear that the game in Scotland is failing fans and clubs alike. It is time for fans of SPL clubs to unite and move beyond the busted grip of the SFA.
Only SPL fans, working together, can ensure each of clubs has a viable future.
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VertWolf
From last thread, thanks for your reply.
Rest assured I will be writing to every SPL club and the Clydesdale Bank, as I did last year when it became clear plans were afoot to supplant a brand new club into the SPL.
I just don’t think I can stomach going to the football right now.
It’s sickening that yet again, it looks as if forcing some level of consistent governance will be left to fans. My main concern is how far fans of other clubs will come with us.
*sayin’ nuthin’
googybhoy ♥ Celtic
Funny how Puma also do Newcastle?
Zombies are just a Newcastle subsidiary now. lol!
Kayal33-Neil should not be the Club spokesman on this matter.Lawwell and Bankier’s territory .He should pass on any questions from the lapdogs IMO.HH
KAYAL 33
Believe it or not,it is produced by Gaymers,a subsidiary of C&C.
Kinda like Magners are……
I wonder what they hear at Ibroke when someone says the words guilty.
McCoist “I think the result of the Commission has totally vindicated the entire club and the playing staff throughout that period.”
Must admit my head is hurting with all the figures/info/permutations & combinations. All I do know is that Celtic alone will not be able to alter the course of things. I doubt if the stomach is there amongst the rest of the SPL Clubs to take up cudgels re this farce of a decision. I sincerely hope I’m wrong but I reckon the damage is done, There will be a little letting off of steam mostly by Celtic Supporters but it will blow over. Reconstruction will now take centre stage and the circus will move on. The only permanent mark it will leave on me is that up to now I was ambivalent re Celtic moving to a League outwith Scotland, I could see pros & cons but now all doubts are swept aside, I want out.
Good to see NL not missing out the fact they were actually found guilty.
He has more guts and cahones than all of Scottish football combined
Neil Lennon speaking to the
media on the outcome of the SPL
commission yesterday: “I have
only seen some snippets in the
paper and I believe they were
found guilty of paying £47 million
over 11 years in non-disclosed
payments.”
NL on being asked if he felt there
was no competitive advantage: “I
have my own views on that, but I
will save that for another
time.”
“As regards the competitive
advantage they gained or didn’t
gain, have my own views on it,
will keep those to myself for
now.”
“Wasn’t our fight, it was the
SPL. Doesn’t affect us. Have a
quarter-final to prepare for &
playing Juventus in last 16 of
CL.”
“The way we behave & do our
business has been impeccable –
the reason we are in the position
that we are now.”
“So like I said, will reserve
judgement on it for another
time.”
Shameless repost
This might seem a bit odd.But the more I think about it the decision yesterday wasnt really about Rangers.Rangers are dead.All the guilty verdicts and mountains of punishments would have done what exactly.Whats the point in hanging a corpse.However a guilty verdict would have one very serious outcome.People would ask how could such a state of affairs have arisen.And people might actually investigate how such a state of affairs had arisen.Would you investigate the dead or might you take a wee iook at the living.I think a big bright spotlight would have focused directly onto the SFA.The bizarre logic needed and the selective interpretation of evidence to arrive at that verdict yesterday could quiet easily give rise to the notion that the Establishment was closing ranks
Paul 67,
I’m sure I posted much the same thought, resign from the SFA, form a new league and association “Football Association of Scotland”.
It’s the way forward.
RIEPERMAN
Stunning wee review in The Telegraph of a Bristol eaterie.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/restaurants/9750641/Flinty-Red-Bristol-restaurant-review.html
As it’s Mother’s Day shortly…..
On the 1st day of march it was raining
greenyin
Sad indictment on the justice carried out yesterday, where the mob have been found guilty but see it as a victory….shame on the tribunal, SFA, SPL and oldco…
On a positive note, looking forward to an evening with the Lions tonight at Paradise.
Anyone got any idea if any of the Lions will be there in person ?
When you read what Neil actually said it shows the BBC Tweet for the rabble rousing pash that it is.
One Nation…
BurghBhoy, I believe there will be some, are you meeting up with Celtic Roller Coaster at 5pm?
Doc,I’m not mate, probably won’t get there til about KO.Be gid to meet some CQNers there!
ASonOfDan
What exactly did Swally say to you that night at Paradise Neil? Would love to know.
LB
….. PUMA
For the life of me why would PPR a global Luxury Goods group risk the brand reputation of PUMA and the larger company by entering into a commercial agreement with small start up football club from the southside of Glasgow.
kayal33
Oooo ps checking the fridge for Blackthorn cider.
Must drink it quickly.
Would It Not Be Open To Celtic To Take Their Case To The CAS…Directly..
For Compensation From Rangers And The SFA….
For The League Titles Unfairly Lost In The Years 2009-2010 Onwards…..
As It Has Been Established That The G.A. Were Using Undeclared EBT/Dual Contracts During This Period….
And The City Of London Police Had Already Found Evidence Of This Practice ,During Their 2007 Investigations Into The Boumsong Affair….
Which Should Have Alerted The SFA And The SPL To Ongoing Hunnish Wrongdoing…?
BMCUW 14:05 on 1 March, 2013
fyi…….Flying Monday……..LHR Tuesday a.m……….
Regards & Hail Hail
TBM
Assuming we beat St. Mirren tomorrow (and I’m taking nothing for
granted) do we (the fans) boycott Hampden for the semi-final and
hopefully the final? If we do, what chance do we have of getting the
fans of other clubs to do likewise? If they don’t, do we do it anyway?
burghbhoy
Myself, CRC, Moonbeams, LennyBhoy, Angel Gabriel among others have a table.
Green checked shirt and original CQN badge, and bald head, you’ll no miss me.
Hopefully see you there.
Doc, Look forward to it mate.
Hail Hail
Paul
The SPL and SFA are membership organisations. If the clubs are as outraged as the fans then the clubs can act, individually or collectively to change this. I don’t see why it’s got to be down to the fans to try to make progress?
Whilst we can fantasise about CAS and a referral the whole stitch up has again been designed to avoid any outside interference.
As far as I can see the SPL and the SFA have been as involved and duplicitous in this as they were in the ‘5 way’ agreement.
Being membership organisations means that the clubs also are duplicitous in this even is that is by inaction within their memberships.
The SPL refused to lead on 3 c (wrongful registration) and LNS ‘accepted’ that steer. That suggests to me that the SPL and LNS are up to their necks in this ordure.
Eveyone (and I include the clubs) appears to have wanted this outcome except the paying public.
We have questions to ask internally before we look to others:
1. Is this a result the Club wanted?
2. If not, are they prepared to do anything other than accept it?
3. Is the Club(s) prepared to lead so the fans can follow?
4. Do they want to ‘cleanse’ the SFA?
5. If so, when and how will that start?
6. A civil case could be built but they’d be suing themselves (SPL/SFA) as opposed to the guilty party. How ironic is that?
7. What would Fergus have done in all of this?
8. I heard Roger Mitchell (ex CEO SPL) being very vociferous recently on the failure of the SPL/SFA/Clubs and lack of appetite for FORCING issues around this and driving change by being more conflictual/challenging. Perhaps we need to employ people across the board with more cohones than those currently engaged?
HH
Any CQNers in the West End Bar in Blantyre tonight?
What are the repercussions for the Busted Flush?
Who’s going to ask him a difficult question rather than just printing his bombastic releases?
and another thing………
are we all still saying the club has played a blinder in all of this by remaining inert?
HH
Hope Lennon doesn’t say anything. I would rather the club released a well thought out statement rather than the press trying to get a headline out of Lennon. He doesn’t need the abuse from it.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/article16336079.ab
An article in Swedens Aftonbladet – a few good photos during “Henkes” carrier. (Click on “starta bildspel”) The article comments on a interview he’s done with the French “SoFoot” magazine. During the interview he says that there is only one coaching job he would never take and that he never understood a word Paul Lambert said.
Efe 8/1 to score anytime v St M with william hills.
special bet Joe Ledley to score and celtic to win 6/1.
F foster
Adam Thomas Kelvin Izzy(with the words stay switced on ringing in his ears)
Efe Victor Joe sammi
Kris
Gary with TONY S or W :))
CITIBHOY 1413
It’s really screwed up my Mother’s Day plans. Need an alternative now to the GUCCI watch I was planning for my ould dear…….
Dooooooooooh lenny to pick sammi or a TONY :))
An SPL fans movement is required for far more than the ludicrous player eligibility part of the LNS ruling.
Look at this BBC report:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21633595
Rangers (1872) is now being described as “the company who used to run Rangers.” A description entirely consistent with the LNS ruling.
Think about that – Rangers FC plc was not Rangers. No, they were just the company that RAN Rangers.
The Rangers FC Ltd is not Rangers either. They’re just the company who run Rangers now.
Only UEFA will rule Rangers are dead and The Rangers are a brand new club.
The only way UEFA will get involved is if the fans kick up enough of a stink about it, because otherwise UEFA will regard it as an irrelevance, to be dealt with by our friends at the SFA.