Hibernian chairman, Rob Petrie, yesterday told BBC Radio Scotland “Integrity is beyond purchase”. It’s incredible to think that we live in times where this is actually news.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone would go about arguing with Rod on this matter. Kilmarnock chairman, Michael Johnston’s recent comment, “The [SPL] clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits may outweigh that” offers the alternative view, but the logical conclusion of Petrie’s argument is stark. If integrity of top clubs can be purchased, what about officials, referees and players with bookmaker friends?
We can assume Hibernian will join Celtic in voting against admitting a Newco directly into the SPL, should such a vote occur. Five clubs in total are required to block such a proposal. With Petrie declared against, would Romanov at Hearts vote for Newco? His previous public pronouncements suggest he would relish the opportunity to take on one of the big Glasgow clubs.
Dundee United and Aberdeen are two other clubs under significant supporter pressure. Both teams are also keen to change the 11-1 voting rule, which would be possible without a Newco.
Rangers, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone (through manager Steve Lomas) have all declared in favour of admitting a Newco, I expect Motherwell and St Mirren will do the same. Ross County and Inverness may fancy adding Dundee into next season’s relegation fight instead of Newco but there has been no indication how either club would vote.
The 7th May vote was the best chance of getting Newco provisions voted through. The more time clubs have to consider the decision the more susceptible they will be to supporter lobby.
I am of the view that SPL chief, Neil Doncaster, will not allow himself to become aware if Rangers have a prima facie case to answer as a result of the SPL inquiry into contractual arrangements until after a vote is taken. Deadline for clubs to respond to the inquiry passed over five weeks ago. A simple check of submissions against SPL records is all that is required. Even if each clubs issued an all-clear, the inquiry should have reported.
Doncaster perhaps has no idea of the flood that will come his way soon and wash away all of these questions. His opportunity to act before events overtake him is limited.
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“Livingston have written to the Scottish Football Association warning they may take legal action if the governing body fails to act upon Rangers’ financial woes appropriately.
STV understands the First Division club have outlined they would pursue up to £1.2m in lost revenue for their relegation to the Third Division in 2009 if the SPL side are not dealt with in a similar manner.
The decision to demote Livingston, who were in administration but in the hands of prospective buyers, was made by the Scottish Football League prior to the start of the 2009/10 season.
A failed appeal to the SFL was followed up by a submission to the Scottish FA, who ruled the punishment was fair and reasonable.
The governing body’s judicial protocol was given a complete overhaul last year and insolvent clubs, as well as any appeals processes, are now handled in a different manner.
Nonetheless, Livingston believe a precedent was set in the judgement and have now stated they are monitoring how the Scottish FA are handling the Rangers situation, as uncertainty over the future of the club continues.
If prospective buyer Charles Green is unable to strike a deal with creditors to take the club forward via a CVA, it is possible the businessman will pursue a ‘newco’ route to ensure the club continues as part of a new company.
The move, which would be unprecedented in Scottish football, would require Scottish FA approval to go through if the new company wished to inherit Rangers’ membership of the body and could be subject to further sanctions.
Rangers have already been punished by both the Scottish Premier League and Scottish FA for being in administration, with the latter recently administering a 12-month registration embargo and fines reaching £160,000.
Rangers’ appeal against the Scottish FA’s sanctions, which were described as to have “struck a balance which was relevant to the mischief and proportionate to the breach” will be held on Wednesday.
The independent panel set up to consider the initial case against the club stated in their deliberations that “only match fixing in its various forms might be a more serious breach” than Rangers’ failure to pay tax contributions for employees, amongst other discrepancies.
Termination of Rangers’ membership to play football in Scotland was also considered at the time, something which was ruled to be “too severe” a punishment.
Both the Scottish FA and Livingston declined to comment on the letter.
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Anybody got that article on Livingston? :-)
Kidding!
“The wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow,but oh,how they grind.”
The outhouse must stay open!
Stupid huns.
themightyquinn
that petrie has got some dish on him
:)
ASonOfDan on 15 May, 2012 at 16:13 said:
Thanks
In case anybody missed it…
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“Livingston have written to the Scottish Football Association warning they may take legal action if the governing body fails to act upon Rangers’ financial woes appropriately.
STV understands the First Division club have outlined they would pursue up to £1.2m in lost revenue for their relegation to the Third Division in 2009 if the SPL side are not dealt with in a similar manner.
The decision to demote Livingston, who were in administration but in the hands of prospective buyers, was made by the Scottish Football League prior to the start of the 2009/10 season.
A failed appeal to the SFL was followed up by a submission to the Scottish FA, who ruled the punishment was fair and reasonable.
The governing body’s judicial protocol was given a complete overhaul last year and insolvent clubs, as well as any appeals processes, are now handled in a different manner.
Nonetheless, Livingston believe a precedent was set in the judgement and have now stated they are monitoring how the Scottish FA are handling the Rangers situation, as uncertainty over the future of the club continues.
If prospective buyer Charles Green is unable to strike a deal with creditors to take the club forward via a CVA, it is possible the businessman will pursue a ‘newco’ route to ensure the club continues as part of a new company.
The move, which would be unprecedented in Scottish football, would require Scottish FA approval to go through if the new company wished to inherit Rangers’ membership of the body and could be subject to further sanctions.
Rangers have already been punished by both the Scottish Premier League and Scottish FA for being in administration, with the latter recently administering a 12-month registration embargo and fines reaching £160,000.
Rangers’ appeal against the Scottish FA’s sanctions, which were described as to have “struck a balance which was relevant to the mischief and proportionate to the breach” will be held on Wednesday.
The independent panel set up to consider the initial case against the club stated in their deliberations that “only match fixing in its various forms might be a more serious breach” than Rangers’ failure to pay tax contributions for employees, amongst other discrepancies.
Termination of Rangers’ membership to play football in Scotland was also considered at the time, something which was ruled to be “too severe” a punishment.
Both the Scottish FA and Livingston declined to comment on the letter.”
Dbbia
I like Rogne too but he is too injury prone for us not to have sufficient cover.
I also like Mulgrew but his lack of pace will be punished in the CL.
Both are fine for the SPL but we need more pace in those roles. IMO. (K Wilson has pace but isn’t very good, which is a pity)
Len Brennan
you runnin a transfer tracker list, like last season ?
was very hand
Awe_Naw
Secret subtle coded messages like “When will I see you again” – twice, is all you’ll get meantime.
Your financial ‘old firm’ theory with which you know I agree with to a large extent, has been set aside on this one, by the board.
You could even argue we’d lose financially with a mass exodus of season tickets holders, and other lost revenue.
It’s no to New Club and they don’t need to tell us, when we can see it’s already gerrymandered.
Paddy G. Same thing happened again. The link won’t play.
Is it the video on You Tube with the blind man?
jimmibhoy
if the mothers were in admin this year surely they should be deducted 10 points and dundee utd will be making the champions league places.
Dontbrattbakkinanger
I agree with you for Europe, but do wonder if we have been overly critical.
Their key job is to defend and their performance can be measured by goals against. Even Simpson, Craig, Gemmell, Murdoch McNeil and Clark don’t match up to the sieve. Don’t know why because it’s not as though Neil puts out a defence minded team. 90 years is a good record to break.
Dontbrattbakkinanger 15.55
A great wee tool I came accross on line to work these things out is…
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html
Gert an answer a wee bit different form yours, but a Million Pounds Equivalent was serious money,
BSR
I agree with all of that but why would we even participate in a gerrymander ?
It is against everything Celtic has ever stood for.
That is why the silence is deafening. We dont mind upsetting Rangers any more because they are dead but we are worried about upsetting the blazers (i.e the Gerrymanderers)
Or it is our escape route but that is I admit wishful thinking on my part
Hail Haikl
So emdae else think the the Livi story being leaked by the sfa, is to allow their disgust and outrage to be exercised at a later date, after the now inevitable threat and intimidation campaign is made public.
Bournesoup…,
You’ve got electronic mail.
BSR DBBIA
Melons or courgettes, one bite of them & you’ll find out what they really are…milk udders.
b2k on 15 May, 2012 at 16:08 said:
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 15 May, 2012 at 14:50 said:
Hoopslegend big Dan gone, takin’ hoopslegend Glenda with him possibly.
We’re goin’ to need a new Sieve in our brave Newclub world.
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TV said that this season the sieve had the best defensive record of any Celtic team for 90 years.
Is this true and if so why are we so happy to see our key sieve members go?
If this is any help:-
This season:- Celtic 93 pts W30 D3 L5 Scored 84 Conceded 21 +63
Don’t know the season but it WAS the season Celtic LOST the Scottish Cup 2 -3 to Ran*ers AND St Johnstone were relegated:-
Celtic 103 pts W33 D4 L1 Scored 94 CONCEDED 18 +76
Citibhoy- my calculation was based on average income; but still a staggering achievement.
And you will remember the ground bought still had to have a fantastic amount of work done to it, including filling in a crater sized hole.
Probably the only two major investments made in the ground would have been the initial outlay in 1897 , and the Fergus Mccann transformation a 100 years later.
PAUL67
You said….
Celtic will vote against.
Why is it so difficult for some Celtic fans to believe Newco is not in the club’s best interest?
For the record:
Newco is not in Celtic’s best interest.
It’s as though some of us have deep seated fears that we need Newco.
For the record: You are wrong, Celtic do not need Newco.
I hope that goes some way to allaying deep seated pining for Newco
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I have to agree here. While we have been raised on deep-seated and well-founded paranoia,I cannot see Celtic doing anything which falls short of demanding the ultimate sanctions be applied.
The club has been cheated,the PLC has been defrauded,and we have been laughed at in the process.
Now,I’m no great fan of the board,but they WILL NOT be found wanting here.
PAYBACK………..
I would for “New Club”
Instead of “New Co”
Although obviously I wouldn’t vote for any of them, unless it was for a
one way ticket to the big fire.
jimmibhoy on 15 May, 2012 at 16:13 said:
The Mudders went into admistration on the 25th April 2002 mate.
I think the Huns confusion stems from the recent reports which looked back at the period of admin 10 years on.
http://www.motherwell-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/ten_years_ago__motherwell_in_administration_741028/index.shtml
Here the article which shows when they cam out of admin almost two years on.
http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/1760682/motherwell-fc-emerges-administration
HH
/Bishop B
Celtic Hub tweeting the take-over is in trouble…….Non disclosure by D&P
Now what’s all this about Livingston? :-)
TopCorner on 15 May, 2012 at 16:24 said:
Len Brennan
you runnin a transfer tracker list, like last season ?
was very hand
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Have a start on it already mate!
HH
/Bishop B
Look forward to seeing Hibs banner on Saturday cost £22000 apparently…
philvisreturns
re Dungcaster
ah’ve been wary of him for a good while
waffle waffle waffle fae the chap
disappointing
Green((((((0)))))) lantern
YES
For the Motherwell Conspiracy Theorists…
… Companies House confirms that Motherwell were discharged from their Administration Order on 25th May 2004.
It was the CVA that lasted a further 6 years.
Paul
Its not enough for Celtic to vote against a New Club, they must be lobbying* the other clubs to do the same!
* Obviously I meaning threating severe retribution to them and the SPL
Just discovered that IRONICALLY Livingston were THIRD that season with 58points – behind Celtic 103 points and Ran*ers 85 points (18points behind).
starry plough
aye good point
and i didnae see big Dan at
the trophy celebrations
TBB
does that not exclude them from receiving a UEFA license ?
HAil HAil
Take over in trouble?
Rumour Green does walking away……
Just like Bill Miller, Green has finally been allowed to see the dirty secret hidden by Duff&Duffer and has decided rangers are not for him…
Awe Naw
Clearly not as they’ve been playing in Europe since.
Len Brennan
Don’t forget to put Toto Tamuz on the list. Source – John Park :-)
Paul67,
I sincerely hope that Celtic FC are taking a “balanced” approach to convincing other SPL clubs to do the right thing.
As well as the stick of “we understand many of our supporters intend to boycott games at your ground” we should also be quietly gathering support by offering some carrots as well.
For example,clubs who vote with integrity will be considered when we loan out some of our players.Others won’t.
If it comes to a choice between buying two players of equivalent talent,we will buy from the club with integrity.
If we consider a discounted price for away fans for selected matches,clubs with integrity will be considered,others won’t.
I am sure others could come up with many more examples of positive incentives (provided they are done within the rules)
More than one way to skin a cat