I wonder if we will see two rival Scottish Premier Leagues next season? We could see a SPL consistent with the threats made to SFL clubs last week, let’s call it SPL Loyal, with Hibs, KIlmarnock and a few others. They would sit atop a feeder league containing whoever they could attract from the SFL and Sevco, who due to fan power would be excluded from the top division, no matter how few teams that division had.
Meanwhile a rival SPL could setup, let’s call it SPL Solvent, with Celtic, those from the Gang of 10 who realise they are better-off participating in a league which is likely to survive until next May, along with the teams who last season finished near the top Scottish Football league.
SPL Solvent would make no threats to exclude SFL clubs who were due promotion on merit, and would therefore attract the balance of SFL clubs; which is likely to be the overwhelming majority. This league would contain the only club with the ability to underwrite the commitments needed to bring broadcasters and commercial partners on-board. It would also be free of, moral and ethical questions, where clubs are united with their fans on what it means to organise sporting events.
It’s not the worst idea floated in recent weeks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRSwjhYmAY4
thomthethim – Can you remember where you saw that? Sounds like a good read. If true – I’m not doubting your info – then it makes Casillas world record of wins a country captain more impressive.
Published on Monday 2 July 2012 00:00
IT MAY be hard to believe at the moment, but some good can still come out of the Rangers saga.
And it can start this week, at the meetings of the Scottish Football League tomorrow and the Scottish Premier League on Wednesday, if the people who run the game show they can be trusted by the people who pay their wages.
Because trust – or rather the lack of it – is the central issue in this crisis now. It began with the financial plight of one club, and might have ended there if football’s administrators had had a transparent set of rules on how to deal with the situation, and applied those rules openly and honestly. Instead, at least some of them have shied away from anything close to transparency in the misguided belief that saving Rangers at all costs had to be their overriding objective.
Students of history or politics will be familiar with the process. Whenever there is a real threat to those in authority, be they rulers of large states or administrators of national sports in small countries like our own, they tend to react in the same way.
They use scare tactics to try and convince us that the reforms most of us want would harm us financially; they try to ensure that the existing laws work very much in their favour; then if that doesn’t work, they start thinking of how the laws could be bent so that they will get the outcome they want. They resist reform at every step of the way, hoping we take fright or lose interest.
Still, before we get carried away, we should remind ourselves that this is just a squabble over sport, not a national liberation movement. And many of the people in positions of power in Scottish football do eventually listen to their customers long before there is unrest on the streets.
Indeed, that is something good that has already come out of the implosion at Ibrox: the decision by many SPL clubs to go along with the wishes of the vast majority of their supporters and vote against allowing Charles Green’s newco into the SPL. There can’t be many industries which take their customers for granted in the way that football does, so hopefully this greater willingness to listen to the fans will set a precedent – one which the SPL and SFL will follow this week.
So far, the SPL board in particular has done its best to resist fan power, and has implicitly argued that keeping Rangers in the top flight is more important than seeing fair play to be done. Now that move has almost certainly failed, the latest fallback position, which appears to be shared by leading SPL and SFL officials, is to find a place for the Ibrox club in the First Division.
That position was first mooted in Sunday newspapers two weeks ago after an off-the-record briefing, and it remains one which some of those officials believe can be won. Never mind the fact that, until now, it had been universally accepted that any new applicants to the Scottish Football League had to join at the bottom, in the Third Division. The governing bodies feel that if they can get far enough down the road to reunification over the next couple of weeks, they might just get away with a cobbled-together deal which includes letting the new Rangers into the First Division.
If they do, it will prove a costly mistake. Perhaps not economically, but certainly in terms of their already badly damaged credibility.
There is broad backing throughout the game for the reforms proposed by former First Minister Henry McLeish. More or less everyone agrees that Scottish football should have fewer governing bodies and become less bureaucratic and more transparent.
But if the authorities, while supposedly carrying out those reforms, slip in a subclause to allow Rangers into the First Division, they will have undermined the entire process. Because, far from becoming more open and honest, they will have indulged in a sleight-of-hand action which goes against the wishes of the vast majority.
And if they do that, the mess that has been left by the collapse of Rangers could get a whole lot worse. That’s the threat which this week’s meetings carry.
On the other hand, they could decide not to go through with that shabbiest of compromises, and instead stick to a set of rules which are there to be applied equally to every member club. If they do that – if the SPL and SFL together say that Rangers can reapply to join the Third Division – they will have begun to repair the damage which has been done to the game over the past four and a half months.
thomthethim
I think that is a myth..but I may be wrong…I am lucky..I speak almost fluent Spanish..& I never heard that..but I understand the Spanish media..it can be cruel..dishonest..just like ours..but the team spirit is obvious..my partner is brazilian..and I told her that Spain would win the world cup..based on how close they were..she lauthed..we are still together..& she thinks I am the oracle! *wink*
Night ghuys.
Some light reading to warm he cockles of your heart ( with a couple of exceptions).
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Quotes+-+About+Celtic
Hail! Hail!
Welcome CBB, AoW (who I thought conducted himself impeccably during his brief sparring session following observations on this most recent post) beat me to THE question :)
Hail Hail,
KevinBhoy.
lionroars67 on 2 July, 2012 at 00:25 said:
OMG ! Those pewer wee souls!
Jesus H almighty. What next?
Division 3?
I Think we need to think outside the box
Looking forward tae it.
I find that offensive
WTF What the?
We need to find efficiencies in dem BMW’s. Seriously
German Engineering my arse in parsley.
Al Qaeda my arse in chargely
Can’t get onto CQN all night on my home laptop (can access any other website) – any reason why that would be? (am currently on phone).
KevinBhoy – haha that was my first `welcome’. I won’t do it again so keep an eye out for future ones!
Thanks for the kind words, appreciated.
CBB – Let me get this right. You’re from Scotland,support Celtic, live in Spain and have a Brazilian partner. I hope you luck improves! ;-)
A year since my dad died, still sadly missed by us all!! God bless you dad!
a lot of scare stories from here in the last few days
Timfaetx – god bless mate, god bless your dad! Remembered.
9 years ago today, after a magnificent run to Seville, my world fell apart when my Dad died at the age of 55 while on holiday, in his 2nd home in Majorca – he loved the Spanish and loved being there. He would have loved that tonight. But more so he would have loved seeing the Huns being caught with tax evasion, cheating with contracts and finally going in to liquidation. Big Joe overcame a lot of what almost all of his generation had to overcome to be successful. I know many on here have lost parents in the past few days, weeks, months and years.
So for Big Joe and all those who aren’t here to watch this magnificent implosion of the Huns and the authorities which supported and colluded with the huns for so long, remembering what they had to endure during all those years of cheating, share a wee thought and smile at how they will/would be enjoying this.
hh
bjmac
Bloke… Maybe the wrong address being tried by your lappie? U cud try googling the site and getting in that way and re-saving the shortcut?
Hail Hail,
KevinBhoy.
TSD
If i may intervene in your futile attempt to bait Maggie…?
I have stopped reading your linked article after para.3, which is a new personal best for me with your stuff.
I will quote para. 3 in full:-
“Al Sharpton and a majority of the so-called black civil rights coalition define blackness as having an urban experience, solely dependent on government for survival, always voting Democrat, and being incapable of finding one’s way to acquire a photo ID. ”
and I ask, even if you find Al Sharpton to be wrong on many counts, which is an arguable proposition, how can you be impressed with such base rhetoric and straw man arguments? It would not convince a primary pupil that you are dealing with a rational argument. It is the football equivalent of saying ” I’ve never seen a zone score a goal” and expecting applause for your cleverness. It is the political equivalent of claiming that the poor vote Labour in local government elections and yet they remain poor and believing you have made a stunning point.
Surely, you must have better stuff than this.
Timfaetx on 2 July, 2012 at 00:41 said:
All about timing;-)
hh
bjmac
Timfaetx on 2 July, 2012 at 00:41 said:
A year since my dad died, still sadly missed by us all!! God bless
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Prayers with you. Lost mother last week but confident she with my dad in a good place. Your dad is doing fine I am sure.
Timfaetx
God bless and remember the good times mate.
bjmac on 2 July, 2012 at 00:45 said:
9 years ago today, after a magnificent run to Seville, my world fell apart when my Dad died at the age of 55 while on holiday, in his 2nd home in Majorca – he loved the Spanish and loved being there. He would have loved that tonight. But more so he would have loved seeing the Huns being caught with tax evasion, cheating with contracts and finally going in to liquidation. Big Joe overcame a lot of what almost all of his generation had to overcome to be successful. I know many on here have lost parents in the past few days, weeks, months and years.
So for Big Joe and all those who aren’t here to watch this magnificent implosion of the Huns and the authorities which supported and colluded with the huns for so long, remembering what they had to endure during all those years of cheating, share a wee thought and smile at how they will/would be enjoying this.
hh
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Bjmac, great post thanks. Thankfully my son can see how much I am enjoying their demise, but not through hate, more seeing justice being done after years of cheating.
Hail! Hail!
Bjmac
I have it from the best of authority that your father was one of the best.
He raised fine sons, one of whom I hope I can call a friend. I have absolutely no doubt that he would be immensely proud of the man you are today.
God bless Joe, yer Bhoys a good ‘un.
Cheers bhoys sad day and with all of you out there who have lost your parents you all feel the same on that day they left us! Sorry for the loss of your mum estorilbhoy, god bless her!
bjmac
Nice post :) I appreciate your sentiment, sympathise with your, and many others on here’s, circumstance, and agree with your smile in remembrance. We never really get over these losses, we just try and learn how to live with them.
God bless and Hail Hail,
KevinBhoy.
Estoril thx & hh, sorry to here about your Mother.
HT ;-)) there is no hope needed, my friend. Speak soon.
B
Timfaetx on 2 July, 2012 at 00:41 said:
Condolences.
Willie F. Is that right?
A legend.
Kevinbhoy, thx & hh. Time is great healer, the pain subsides to be replaced with warm, fond & happy memories.
hh
bjmac
setting free the bears on 2 July, 2012 at 00:46 said:
Naw he disny
All of us (like your dad) knew they were cheating and lying and getting away with it. The question now in Scotland. What is the next step? let them off? or make them pay the price? The fans want them yo pay the price. The hun apologists want to let them off (SFA/SPL/SFL and may even pull rank). The Celtic bored..err..no idea what they want. Next? I’m expecting a Rodney King “Why cant we all get along” speech any day now.
yo=to
My Dear SFTB….
I don’t see why you feel the need to quibble over para.3 of the linked article,by Lloyd Marcus,an African-American…
Perhaps he truly believes that individuals intending to vote in the October elections should be required to provide photo-ID..which is already required to access all sorts of social benefit,and even for purchasing Sudafed Decongestant at the local drug-store..
Ms.Maggie…you(& GG?) were discussing Zero’s policy on abortion..a link is within the article…
Really Really Good Night…
And keep the noise down!…can’t have you waking Canamalar….
I watched the game at my sisters house tonight.
Sis and her crazy wee daughter cleared out leaving a large crowd of assorted males doing stuff they love.
The telly had been decorated, half of it was bordered with the Spanish flag, the other with the Italian.
The wee boy’s had their faces painted, some with Spain’s colours, the others with Italy’s.
And they were so excited, the room divided down the middle, with genuine wee boy emotions invested in these teams.
Wee Ben, aged six, was in the Spain camp, because his team Germany had been put out by Italy.
He started to talk about great German defenders, and announced to the room that the only top Germany defenders he knew were so and so (I have no memory) and Franz Beckenbuaer.
“who is Franz Beckenbuaer?” says his eight years old brother.
Wee Ben, incredulous, “He’s the greatest defender that ever lived”
I could only laugh at this bizarre scene.
I blame his dad, and those football cards they are obsessed with.
I won’t even remember writing this post.
It was a good wee night!
TSD
Questions were addressed to you.
Are you impressed by that level of rhetoric?
Its the right wing equivalent of a leftie saying all capitalists and tories are amoral, wife abusing, posh boys (or an Antifa post as authored by TSD). Button pushing at its most simplistic.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 2 July, 2012 at 00:59 said:
Timfaetx on 2 July, 2012 at 00:41 said:
Condolences.
Willie F. Is that right?
A legend.
Yeah that was my dad.
The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie on 2 July, 2012 at 01:02 said:
Ah you seem to forget that this issue was raised in the GW Bush election of 2000. Its not whether a photo ID or not that was required. Immaterial. The point is that a recount in a general election was found to be unconstitutional by a bunch of right wing judges who knew that if they didnt lie through their teeth as supreme court judges the alternative was Al Gore as president. One of the main reasons why your illustrious Maggie Thatcher did not want courts to have the same kinda jurisdiction in the UK. i.e. Democratically elected officials being overturned by judges. Next?
BTW abortion is a political sideshow…its building up in time for the election though …in time for all the right wing nutters to vote fascist and still ot provide contraceptives to awe the poor shaggers…
sftb – I’m a scroll paster where TSD is concerned.
Raspar – sounded like it was a good night! Wee bit jealous truth be told. Just me and the wife and wee mhan but still enjoyable. hope to catch you in Pertick soon!
HH
Mags
Is that poor from a fiscal or a performance perspective? ;-)
No to newco, in response to your earlier post which may have been for me, don’t disagree…
hh
bjmac
My Dear Dear SFTB…
I fail to see the analogy….
Granted,Lloyd Marcus is not the most gifted of writers..but his heart is clearly in the Right place..
He is a prominent figure in the Most Patriotic Tea Party….
Perhaps we should form a CQN Wing of the Tea Party…with the Awesome Philvis as our leader(naturally)..?
Gotta Go….
Rascar…
Might be a bit off topic given the agenda at what sounds like a nice night there, but Beckenbaur is credited with a quote crediting the Celtic support as being the best in the world on visiting Celtic Park :)
‘This is the most fantastic support in the world”.
Franz Beckenbaur (German football legend).
Lifted from> http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Quotes+-+About+Celtic
Hail Hail!
KevinBhoy.
Art of War
There were three adults there, wait… No.
Actually that big lump that has left school and runs for Scotland must count as an adult.
And millions of wee boys.
At half time they all went out to play football in the garden, wee Ben coming in crying after been smelled in the face by a thunderbolt by a big lad.
I didn’t point out that Beckenbuaer wouldn’t behave like that.
But I did remember doing that to my wee brother.
Smelled=skelped