Withering in the vine, sin and orange

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At 21-years-old Tom Rogic should be strongly staking his claim for a central midfield berth at Celtic.  The fact that he’s not is a disappointment to the player, and apparently the nation of Australia.  It’s also a disappointment to you and me.  He has the physique and the passing ability but after some tentatively positive performances last season he hasn’t kicked on as hoped.

There could be lots of reasons for this, it’s not necessarily the ‘fault’ of the player, his ability or the club, but football careers wither on the vine when clubs hoard talent.  If Tom can get some game-time under his belt at Melbourne Victory, and potentially get to Brazil in the summer, we will have a better indication if he is the real deal.

Someone just text me, “Rangers need to be a long-term sustainable business and that’s the bottom line.  The club needs to change”, from that memorable Craig Whyte interview to The Scotsman in 2012. Groundhog Day….

So Fifa presidential candidate, Jerome Champagne, has proposed the introduction of a sin-bin, to be invoked by the referee brandishing an orange card.  What’s your view on this, is there a universal association between sin and orange, or is this another subversive plot by Celtic fans? I have my suspicions.
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  1. the long wait is over on

    Bobby Tait?

     

     

    If ever the fates dispensed payback it was with that goal Killie scored in his final game.

     

     

    Can any one post a link to that goal.

  2. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    prestonpans bhoys 20:50

     

     

    It will be fascinating to see how it develops. Will they really try to go down the sustainable route? They have been making noises about it, but they have become so conditioned to buy, buy, buy (with no regard as to where the money is coming from) that austerity would be a complete culture shock. Particularly if (as would be likely) success proved to be elusive.

  3. lot’s of names getting dropped on here tonight,who’s a

     

    Celtic hero and who’s not…….they all are, they all did there

     

    bit,,, ffs leave it.

  4. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon, supporting WEE OSCAR..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    I see the msm are totally unwilling to understand (or admit) that the ONLY reason sally is still in a job is his ability / WILLINGNESS to dupe the hoardes into buying SBs…….(that’s why he is being paid so much) ….compliant media sink to new depths……once the hoardes finally realise this, there will be “civil unrest”….. Hahahahahahaha

  5. jimbo67

     

    20:54 on

     

    21 January, 2014

     

    Doc

     

     

    It would be nice to think so but ii feat that ad somebody else once said ‘ you ain’t seen nothin’ yet’.

     

     

    Still that Saturday afternoon in May 1998 when I was sat in Leeries in Edinburgh with the lovely Jacqui and it flashed up on the screen that Kilmarnock had scored remains a

     

    cherished memory.

     

     

    ———————–

     

     

    same here.

     

    i was in the forge that afternoon wandering about with a walkman radio in my ears.

     

    reception coming and going.

     

    there was a tv shop right in the middle of the shopping centre, a big crowd had gathered waiting on the results. funnily enough a couple of first rangers supporters standing in colours.

     

    i am almost certain it wasnt a vidi printer result it was that late, then the score flashed up.

     

     

    aly mitchell had scored for kille,

     

     

    what a feckin racket in the forge, a big big cheer went up.

     

     

    and then my thoughts turned to dunfermline …….

     

     

    we’re gonny win the league tomorrow, and me with no tickets ………

     

     

    doesnt matter , we are all going and the 10 is lost.

     

     

    well ……. it nearly happened.

     

     

    one of my favorite non match day memories.

     

     

    loved it.

     

     

    and in the shadow of our giant stand.

  6. From tic tac tic

     

     

    An uncommon problem

     

    Posted on January 21, 2014 by admin

     

    In January 2011, just hours after signing Kris Commons had already provided his first surprise: a delicate, floated chip over Jamie Langfield’s head of the nuanced type that Shunsuke Nakamura or Lubomir Moravcik might once have produced – but not anyone available to Neil Lennon at that time.

     

     

    The problem is that a full 3 years later, nobody has managed to help pick up the creative slack. The most prolific attackers – Gary Hooper and Anthony Stokes – have been at their best inside the box. Midfielders like Scott Brown and Joe Ledley rely on power over guile while the mercurial James Forrest and Georgios Samaras out wide also depend on physical traits to make things happen.

     

     

     

     

    Commons immediately became (and still is) the biggest influence on Lennon’s tactical setup. He started on the left of a bespoke, lop-sided 4-4-2 cutting in to dangerous areas but teams grew wise. A 4-4-2 diamond (and 3-5-2) was attempted, with Commons behind two strikers but the ubiquitous SPL anchorman tended to stifle. Lennon has continually moved Commons higher and higher up, freer and freer, and he now resides as the main striker in either a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 (though some, erroneously consider him a midfielder).

     

     

     

    Example “lop-sided” 4-4-2

     

     

    This movement is partly in response to the Gary Hooper problem. Stokes is not as ruthless, Samaras is not truly a striker and the likes of Mo Bangura, Miku Fedor, Tony Watt, Paweł Brożek and latterly Teemu Pukki have not been prolific enough.

     

     

    Whether the question is finding a replacement number 9 or 10, Lennon has struggled. During Commons’ wilderness second season (2011/12), he managed just 1 goal with questions about his weight and motivation filling the tabloids. This drop in form prompted the hunt for another number 10 – whether internally (Ki Sung-Yeung, Paddy McCourt, Forrest) or through gambles on some unfancied European names like Rabiu Ibrahim, or the ageing Freddie Ljungberg, Olivier Kapo, and the unsuccessful look at Bolo Zenden. Finally Tom Rogic was plucked in hope from the other side of the world and has already departed.

     

     

    This season Commons’ relentless brilliance has only emphasised the problem. He has already equalled last season’s scoring tally, he has double the goals of Celtic’s next best scorer and has been Celtic’s first scorer in an amazing 10 matches out of the team’s 35 played.

     

     

    3 years, 53 goals and 41 assists later, things have become real for Lennon and Peter Lawwell. They know that Commons is now past 30, can’t resist injury forever and creatively the team will not be able to cope. The general ‘moneyball’ rule of thumb of buying cheap has not delivered, and so Benfica’s young number 10 Filip Đuričić is being considered. The Serbian has managed just 4 league games since signing for €6 million and Benfica are likely to expect a small profit.

     

     

    Resorting to potentially such expensive measures only brings to mind the initial outlay for Commons: some £300k. An astonishing bargain for a player that has come to define Neil Lennon’s Celtic.

  7. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon, supporting WEE OSCAR..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    valentinesday

     

     

    21:04 on 21 January, 2014

     

     

    sally’s a Celtic hero too….

  8. Valentines day……

     

     

    Should we just leave the blog blank?

     

     

    Do you want to suggest a topic for all of us to engage with?

  9. FourGreenFields on

    Sorry to interrupt but does anyone on here have any info on the Celta Vigo v Celtic match programme from the 2003 Seville run , I am trying to pick up this programme for my collection . Appears to have been produced in a newspaper style ( according to eBay ) , can anyone confirm if this was /is the case ?

  10. the glorious balance sheet on

    Jeez Blinker was pants – apologies, the Celtic Park game where Tait added on no injury time at all was actually 6 weeks after the Tynecastle game.

     

     

    Given the injury time he allowed in the hun-kilmarnock game (I think they were still playing at 5pm that night), he clearly had severe watch trouble in spring 1998.

     

     

    Such blatant cheating made the league title win all the more sweet.

  11. Saint Stivs

     

     

    Great memory – I think the only comparable non matchday memory came thirty years earlier when Rangers lost at home to Aberdeen on the last day of the season meaning that we’d won the league before we played our last game – a potentially very tricky game away to Dunfermline. My mum and dad were dancing round the room!

     

     

    Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox

  12. ryecatcher

     

    21:08 on

     

    21 January, 2014

     

    Valentines day……

     

     

    Should we just leave the blog blank?

     

     

    Do you want to suggest a topic for all of us to engage with?

     

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

     

     

    WHO’S THE BIGGEST HAM SHANK ON THE BLOCK?

  13. prestonpans bhoys dam justice for the 5 on

    GlassTwoThirdsFull

     

    21:03 on

     

    21 January, 2014

     

     

    This austerity stuff from Wallace is bollocks and a smoke screen. His masters are asset strippers and they only do one thing and that’s not the long term haul of newco to SPL.

  14. Ally Mitchell goal…..bless him

     

     

    Get it up ye Tait

     

     

     

    youtube.com/watch?v=GVdnsdkDqo

  15. TheOriginalSadiesBhoy on

    Burghbhoy

     

     

    I don’t think David Low ran round the world buying shares. What he did was bought the proxies ie., the voting rights. As far as I am aware no one who owned Celtic shares was allowed to sell their shares other than to the existing shareholders or without the permission of the other shareholders. That is what made it so difficult to wrest the club free from the grip of the Kelly/White axis. David Low’s stroke of genius was to circumvent this rule by buying the proxies of the other shareholders which allowed the Rhebels to gain control.

  16. fourgreenfields

     

     

    21:08 on 21 January, 2014

     

    Sorry to interrupt but does anyone on here have any info on the Celta Vigo v Celtic match programme from the 2003 Seville run , I am trying to pick up this programme for my collection . Appears to have been produced in a newspaper style ( according to eBay ) , can anyone confirm if this was /is the case ?

     

     

    Sorry fgf

     

     

    Given the nick I was in for the full 3 days of that trip, I do well to remember BBj’s goal.

  17. the glorious balance sheet on

    If I recall rightly Bobby Tait had been awarded the Rangers v Kilmarnock game at his own request as it was custom and practice for referees to be awarded the match of their choice when retiring – Tait had made it clear he wanted his last game to be at Ibrox.

     

     

    (How ironic that his attempts to assist Rangers done them over when Mitchell scored in the 39th minute of injury time).

     

     

    Davie Syme (another hunnic cheat) referred to this policy in the Evening Times when he retired from refereeing 2 weeks prematurely in 1994 or thereabouts – he had also wanted to finish up at Ibrox but was given a lower league game instead and he told the SFA to ram it.

     

     

    Syme and Tait were worth a good 10-12 points a season to the Dead Team.

     

     

    Had this policy worked in reverse Duff & Phelps could have asked for the referee of their choice before the Deid Mob played their last game in May 2012 – they`d have been spoilt for choice, R.H. Davidson, Syme, Tait, Dallas Cowboy and countless others would have happily come out of retirement for that gig.

  18. Valentines day…..

     

     

    Dunno mate.

     

     

    Dare say you’ll get a different answer from different people.

     

     

    Maybe you should volunteer who you think it is.

  19. The Glorious Balance Sheet

     

     

    Do not mention David S**e. I’m told children read this site. What a effen barsteward he was

     

     

    Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox

  20. theoriginalsadiesbhoy

     

     

    You are spot on. Apologies.

     

    David Low did the globetrotting, bending ears, giving shareholders the full story and buying proxies .

     

     

    Not to be underestimated work.

     

    Laid the foundations for Fergus

  21. scotlands shame on

    KINGLUBO sorry for late reply, ill stand u pint anytime an i promise no pseudo intellectual chat!! :-)

  22. Cowiebhoy supporting the Celtic to 3 in a row on

    Going back to Fergus & John Keane,

     

     

    Remember reading that Gerard Wisefield actually thought he had done a deal to buy Celtic, he even told his grand kids that he was the new owner, only to discover he had been outdone by Fergus ?

     

    His stepson Michael McDonald is still on the Football Club Board, as the family still put up £1m with the rebels

     

    Point being, there was others ready to step in, although not sure how that would have worked out.

     

     

    Now back to the young Serbian Messi, is he better than the Scottish one ( Gauld ), never seen the Serbian one, with the regards the Scottish one, don’t think I would be spending the reported £3m on him, talented yes, but we have talent in our youths

     

     

    Hail Hail

  23. prestonpans bhoys dam justice for the 5 on

    ….PFayr supports WeeOscar

     

    21:16 on

     

    21 January, 2014

     

    Prestonpans

     

     

    Too late for austerity

     

     

    Fire sale or liquidation

     

     

    What about the gold seam that’s under the newco’s car park, worth 500M at the last estimation.

     

     

    theyliveanddream.com

  24. the long wait is over on

    theoriginalsadiesbhoy

     

     

    21:16 on 21 January, 2014

     

    Burghbhoy

     

     

    I don’t think David Low ran round the world buying shares. What he did was bought the proxies ie., the voting rights. As far as I am aware no one who owned Celtic shares was allowed to sell their shares other than to the existing shareholders or without the permission of the other shareholders. That is what made it so difficult to wrest the club free from the grip of the Kelly/White axis. David Low’s stroke of genius was to circumvent this rule by buying the proxies of the other shareholders which allowed the Rhebels to gain control.

     

     

    ———

     

     

    correct. The old Articles of Association contained a right or pre emption requiring any sale of shares to be offered first to the existing majority shareholders or Directors – can’t recall which – before being sold to a third party.

  25. ryecatcher

     

    21:21 on

     

    21 January, 2014

     

    Valentines day…..

     

     

    Dunno mate.

     

     

    Dare say you’ll get a different answer from different people.

     

     

    Maybe you should volunteer who you think it is.

     

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

     

    Volunteer, after you I’m away tae bed.

  26. Makes the achievements over the years all the more remarkable,given the cheating establishment machine CFC were up against.

  27. Just cause I don’t know….

     

     

    Is there really anything more the asset strippers can strip….without being too obvious about it (fooling the bears again)?

  28. There are so many referees that could be brought into this, Wharton, Mr. Handshake.

     

     

    As one of our own says repeatedly, sort the referees sort the problem.

  29. FourGreenFields on

    can i have raspberry on that champions league ice cream

     

     

    No problem mate , sounds like you had a good time.

     

    HH

  30. David Slyme enjoyed a refreshment in the 20 Orange Club in Rutherglen,while he was still a Grade 1 referee…

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