Five at the back is an orthodox defensive shape, it’s not a headcount of defenders, which is the crux of where we went wrong last night: we chose the wrong system.
Consider the space between (debutant) Gamboa and Lustig at the first goal. No one was sure who should have been picking up Messi (reveal: it was Bitton, who didn’t track the run). There was uncertainty – presumably because we tried a new defensive system out at the Camp Nou.
Another consequence of five at the back is that your fullbacks don’t get midfield cover. Instead, Sinclair and Roberts were asked to work 40 yards out. This plan came at the cost of protecting Gamboa and Tierney.
The overwhelming tactical memory I have of our win against Barca four years ago was Neil Lennon doubling up in the fullback area.
Then we had two central defenders with Wanyama (a defensive mid, which Bitton is not) in front. Our two full backs were partnered with a wide midfield player. Diagrammatically that was four at the back, but whenever Barcelona were in possession (80% of the time), seven players were protecting the Celtic penalty area.
The abiding defensive memory from that night it the thicket of legs confronting Messi every time he got the ball. There was no space for him to pass and move into. Last night, he had more space inside the box to run into that he’ll see all season. It was simply the wrong system.
During the game I was pretty annoyed at Bitton, who I blamed for the first three goals, but he’s a deep-lying playmaker, not a defensive mid, and looked clueless in the position. Although even I know you need to track Messi’s forward runs, and my 11-yr-old knew they were about to score the third the minute we conceded a free kick 23 yards out in front of goal. Reveal: barging players 23 yards out is a mistake that gets you spoken to when playing 2004s football.
We had numbers but not a coherent defensive strategy. The lessons from The Beating of Barca in 2012 were lost. Four years ago we twice played them with these back fours:
Lustig, Wilson, Ambrose, Izaguirre
Lustig, Wilson, Ambrose, Matthews (out of position)
None of Wilson, Ambrose, Izaguirre or Matthews (at left back) would get in this Celtic team. They were all pretty standard-grade defenders, but with protection on the wings and in front, it worked.
After we lost the third concentration levels dipped, tired legs after Saturday would have been energised legs if we were still in touch. I’d also tell Scott Brown not to worry too much about giving the ball away. We’re not good enough to plan to regularly retain possession at the Camp Nou.
We’re a ‘two pass then lob it into the box or win a foul’ team at this level. Accept this and concentrate on what’s deliverable – “We are Celtic, try running through this thicket of legs”.
Scotts Brown and Sinclair played well. Moussa will beat himself up about the penalty but it was inconsequential. Gamboa and de Vries looked lost, as all Camp Nou opposition debutants (there can’t be many) and exposed keepers do.
It may have been the biggest loss in Europe but it doesn’t even come close to being our worst performance. It’s not even our worst performance in Europe of the season, so we’ll get over it quickly.
You and I both remember seven goal victories being overturned a week later. This is football. The leap required to deliver a tighter defensive system is not the magnitude it may appear.
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just watch the goals again for the first time since last night. worse than I remember and I thought it was the worse thing I’d ever seen at the time. toure was brought in to organise the defence but was pointing the finger at virtually every goal. show some leadership man!! Brendan needs to learn, and I think he will learn, before the man city game.
Delaneys,
6 to 1 is generally available for RC at the weekend
Gordy
Maybe grab that myself. Cheers mucker.
You home from Mexico?
Delaneys,
no mucker, back early doors on Tuesday, seen you sent a couple of texts but not opened them as I’m too miserable to pay EE, anything important
Just to swerve away from the amateur armchair managers on how to stop the unstoppable,I see there is a camera in space which has mapped out 1 billion,yes 1 billion of our Galaxies 6 billion stars.6 billion!!!!!!.
There are over 100 billion galaxies out there,many dwarfing ours.
Do you ever think,that the God that is watching all of us,has a bit harder time than the Polis watching Celtics toilets?.
Just heard Roy Keane on itv there re Celtic’s performance in Europe.
Agree with every word he said. The gist of it was:
Scraped through the qualifiers – against mediocre teams – and celebrated like we’d won the thing.
Tiredness no excuse given that it was a poor Rangers (sic) team we played on Saturday.
This is Celtic not Altrincham.
Now that I watch the goals again I have to say that nir Bitton had a dreadful game last night.
Let messi run off him for goals 1 and 2. Gave away an avoidable free kick for the 3rd goal and compounded it by remaining statuesque in the wall. Then needlessly gave the ball away on the edge of our box in the build up to the 4th goal.
The guy is a liability in Europe. Has no dynamism and repeatedly fails to stay with his man once they’ve moved the ball on and is a big reason why teams like molde and hapoel Beersheva, never mind Barcelona, find it easy to cut through us at their place.
Lack of discipline too as highlighted by red cards v Ajax and Molde.
It’s not talent he lacks, it’s work rate and heart. And these things cannot be coached into someone.
just getting this off my chest.
we are Celtic and better than accepting a 7-0 reverse.
our new manager sent the team out with ridiculous tactics which he referred to before the fame as an experiment.
we have achieved better results with poorer players than in the other night.
we must scream that 7-0 is never acceptable for our club. This is Celtic we are talking about!!
Gordy
Naw, apart from a crackin photo of Moussa’s third on Saturday. Catch up wi you soon.
S.F.T.B.
Aaah , pal.
You do get it .
Why do you pretend otherwise ?
Literary allusions beyond your ken ?
High upon a peak in Darien ?
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BY PAUL67 ON 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 CQN BLOG & COMMENTS
Five at the back is an orthodox defensive shape, it’s not a headcount of defenders, which is the crux of where we went wrong last night: we chose the wrong system.
Consider the space between (debutant) Gamboa and Lustig at the first goal. No one was sure who should have been picking up Messi (reveal: it was Bitton, who didn’t track the run). There was uncertainty – presumably because we tried a new defensive system out at the Camp Nou.
Another consequence of five at the back is that your fullbacks don’t get midfield cover. Instead, Sinclair and Roberts were asked to work 40 yards out. This plan came at the cost of protecting Gamboa and Tierney.
The overwhelming tactical memory I have of our win against Barca four years ago was Neil Lennon doubling up in the fullback area.
Then we had two central defenders with Wanyama (a defensive mid, which Bitton is not) in front. Our two full backs were partnered with a wide midfield player. Diagrammatically that was four at the back, but whenever Barcelona were in possession (80% of the time), seven players were protecting the Celtic penalty area.
The abiding defensive memory from that night it the thicket of legs confronting Messi every time he got the ball. There was no space for him to pass and move into. Last night, he had more space inside the box to run into that he’ll see all season. It was simply the wrong system.
During the game I was pretty annoyed at Bitton, who I blamed for the first three goals, but he’s a deep-lying playmaker, not a defensive mid, and looked clueless in the position. Although even I know you need to track Messi’s forward runs, and my 11-yr-old knew they were about to score the third the minute we conceded a free kick 23 yards out in front of goal. Reveal: barging players 23 yards out is a mistake that gets you spoken to when playing 2004s football.
We had numbers but not a coherent defensive strategy. The lessons from The Beating of Barca in 2012 were lost. Four years ago we twice played them with these back fours:
Lustig, Wilson, Ambrose, Izaguirre
Lustig, Wilson, Ambrose, Matthews (out of position)
None of Wilson, Ambrose, Izaguirre or Matthews (at left back) would get in this Celtic team. They were all pretty standard-grade defenders, but with protection on the wings and in front, it worked.
After we lost the third concentration levels dipped, tired legs after Saturday would have been energised legs if we were still in touch. I’d also tell Scott Brown not to worry too much about giving the ball away. We’re not good enough to plan to regularly retain possession at the Camp Nou.
We’re a ‘two pass then lob it into the box or win a foul’ team at this level. Accept this and concentrate on what’s deliverable – “We are Celtic, try running through this thicket of legs”.
Scotts Brown and Sinclair played well. Moussa will beat himself up about the penalty but it was inconsequential. Gamboa and de Vries looked lost, as all Camp Nou opposition debutants (there can’t be many) and exposed keepers do.
It may have been the biggest loss in Europe but it doesn’t even come close to being our worst performance. It’s not even our worst performance in Europe of the season, so we’ll get over it quickly.
You and I both remember seven goal victories being overturned a week later. This is football. The leap required to deliver a tighter defensive system is not the magnitude it may appear.
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THE_HUDDLE on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 9:59 PM
Chairbhoy on 14th September 2016 9:48 pm
Many have speculated about why we have upped our spend and radically improved our Management and Coaching staff and are in the process of doing this with the Squad.
Some say it is because of the return of the “Old Firm”. Some say it’s because DD was offended…
I say it’s because European Football is going through a shake up… Now we all know that this is going to favour the big leagues but the fact is whatever way they slice it, to give European Football credibility they will have to involve big Clubs from minor Leagues.
Celtic plan to be one such Club and know we’ll have to be regularly playing UCL Football and performing at that level. We need to if we are going to be a “Player”.
So expect incremnental but marked improvement in our squad and performances going forward.
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I don’t think for one minute the planned shake up of Euro football by the big boys will include clubs like Celtic, they really have no interest in size of club, fan base, full stadiums etc – it will purely be based on population/viewing figures (ie advertisement money).
Celtic have to hope that this new UEFA chief kicks all this to the curb
GEAROID1998 on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:03 PM
Almore
Txt sent.
HH
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:03 PM
GLENDALYSTONSILS on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 9:56 PM
Crazy days.
My brother and I were dodging bottles from Celtic supporters at the 7-1 game.
VFR800A8 on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:04 PM
THE_HUDDLE on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 9:59 PM
I don’t think for one minute the planned shake up of Euro football by the big boys will include clubs like Celtic, they really have no interest in size of club, fan base, full stadiums etc – it will purely be based on population/viewing figures (ie advertisement money).
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We are a worldwide box-office draw for viewing figures so on that basis, they would be interested.
FAC the Act
KTF
ALMORE on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:04 PM
G98: To me?
BABASONICOS71 on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:05 PM
Senna just starting on ITV4.
Brilliant movie.
DELANEYS DUNKY on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:08 PM
Justshatered
I remember the game at Ibrox in 1979. Love Street was being renovated, and the Scottish Cup final was being played that Saturday. The game was played on Friday night and George McCluskey and Buzzbomb scored for us in a 2-0 win. I remember the match well as it was my first game at Ibrox.
We beat Dons 1-0 at Ibrox with a Brian O’Neil header in LC semi, before facing Raith Rovers at the same venue in the Final. Apart fae the 5-1 game, my worst memory of a game in doomdome.
CHAIRBHOY on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:09 PM
THE_HUDDLE @ 9:59 PM,
Well you certainly have a point… interestingly the new UEFA chief has said the big Leagues are not going to have it there own way and this is his first priority.
But for me excluding Clubs like Ajax and Benfica is going to diminish the credibility of European Football… there will have to be a place for them… we have to ensure we are there too.
Hail Hail
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:09 PM
Bottles and fighting amongst Celtic fans , not to mention the drink and urinating
Here was me thinking all the old yins on here blaming the green brigade for all our woes had supported Celtic when only angels attended ☘ :-)
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:10 PM
MARGARET MCGILL on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 9:56 PM
Open question to CQN.
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I can`t remember seeing too many , if any , res. 12 contras on here .
All we lost against Barca was three points.
And , of course , prestige .
But we don`t have any of that , so all we lost was three points.
It also means we will now be underestimated in Europe .No bad thing.
I think we are better than we showed against Barca.
That , however , remains to be seen.
btw. I enjoyed watching the lemmings tonight.
:-)
JINKYREDSTAR on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:11 PM
Macjay
I attended almost every game from 62 to 80 – from the mid sixties to late 70’s the chance of some random bottle throwing was high. None of the had a chance of hitting the opposition fans or reaching the park – most of the victims were Celtic fans near the front of whatever terrace was involved – I witnessed this at the Celtic end of CO and Hampden and at other grounds – these eejits are still around but they are pensioners now who probably dissaprove of the odd banner!
MARGARET MCGILL on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:11 PM
BR was hired to deal with the OF not CL.
THE_HUDDLE on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:11 PM
vfr800a8 on 14th September 2016 10:04 pm
I don’t think for one minute the planned shake up of Euro football by the big boys will include clubs like Celtic, they really have no interest in size of club, fan base, full stadiums etc – it will purely be based on population/viewing figures (ie advertisement money).
_____________________________________________
We are a worldwide box-office draw for viewing figures so on that basis, they would be interested.
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I’ll be surprised if you can provide stats to back that up??
MOONBEAMSWD ‘STAND UP ON 15 FOR THE GB’ on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:11 PM
Chairbhoy
Interesting response to the 2 questions I posed.
I however disagree, my opinion only. My reasoning for this is that if this were the case and the type of change was coming that was going to include us as Scotland’s Euro team I think we would have already seen investment beyond that which has been afforded to Brendan.. I believe we would have seen players brought in of a higher standard than DDV and Gamboa for those two positions and Brendan would have recieved finance for the other two positions he wished to be filled. The type of inclusion you think is coming has been DD’s dream ticket. The ticket he initially financed under MON albeit via borrowing.
Time will tell but at best we may end up part of a second tier Euro league setup IMO.
MWD
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:12 PM
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:09 PM
Bottles and fighting amongst Celtic fans , not to mention the drink and urinating
Here was me thinking all the old yins on here blaming the green brigade for all our woes had supported Celtic when only angels attended ☘ :-)
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Aye.
But the support were united then.
In adversity.
:-)
THE_HUDDLE on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:14 PM
Chairbhoy on 14th September 2016 10:09 pm
Well you certainly have a point… interestingly the new UEFA chief has said the big Leagues are not going to have it there own way and this is his first priority.
But for me excluding Clubs like Ajax and Benfica is going to diminish the credibility of European Football… there will have to be a place for them… we have to ensure we are there too.
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Surely our argument should be that we won’t accept any invite to this closed shop?? Is it ok if the “big clubs” decide that Celtic and Ajax are in but Benfica aren’t? What about the other clubs that are, lets be honest, more our level?
RUGGYGMAN on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:15 PM
When we signed Gamboa from West Brom, I’m sure I saw plenty of us all having wee sly dig at Tony Pulis…. A man that plays a back 4 consisting of 4 centre halves in the Epl.
However could there be method in his madness? I certainly think so.
Given that Gamboa and Tierney were practically empty jerseys last night. A Tony Pulis approach is the way to go vs Barca.
Lustig as right centre back man marks Neymar. Erik as Centre back marks Messi. Jozo Simonovic as left centre back marks Suarez, and Kolo Toure is then deployed as a sweeper with his experience behind the 3…..
In essence a back 4….. 3 markers and a sweeper.
In front of this back 4….. You then have Brown. You don’t have Bitton. Simply Brown positioned in front of the back 4 to fill the gaps…. Communication between Brown and Erik is key, because when Messi drops deep, brown should close him down. When Messi advances Erik should attempt to shut him down.
I’d of had Forrest in as right mid ahead of Roberts. Only because he offers slightly more pace. And could carry the ball 30 / 40 yards forward by simply running the touch line.
Sinclair would be left mid.
Just in front of Brown in the central midfield positions, simply have the energy of Armstrong and McGregor.
Up top, Dembele.
It is in essence a 4-1-4-1
I’m not saying it is right or wrong. Just strikes me as worth a try.
We all know Lennon commented that he was happy to allow Barcelona in to wide crossing positions, and that the key was to bottle up the middle area of the team.
Therefore with that said, we didn’t require ineffective non existent full-backs.
DELANEYS DUNKY on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:15 PM
BT
Wish we could turn time, to the good old days. Aye right! :)
DELANEYS DUNKY on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:16 PM
Turn back.
MARGARET MCGILL on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:16 PM
macjay
The point I’m trying to make is that Father Lawwell only considers res 12 to deal with history loosing CL money. Spilt milk and all that. (Rescinding of titles and SFA justice dont be daft). However, OF DD investment has landed Celtic a CL £30m bonus but the PLC vision is still OF. Meaning as far as the PLC is concerned res12 and CL campaigns are useless pieces of shit on the heated driveway pension plan vision.
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:18 PM
Can’t se why anyone would say KT was an empty jersey last night, he was our most productive player and best out ball, he carried it longer than anyone, IMO he was our MotM by a distance.
Sorry,although I have agreed with most of your comments,I cant with this one.I thought he was roasted in the 1st half,never got near an opponent.Not the boys fault,they were far too good.Second half he got a bit of space to go forward,did not do much with it,again not the boys fault.The only guy who did anything was Broony.So many passes to Celtic players,interceptions.
There is no use making up fairy stories about our favorite players.KT does not need it.He will move on and learn.
Gordy.
When I was advising you about the inner Gordon , my wife was recommending you visit the Cenotes Caves.
And some pre-Hispanic structures . :-)
I was waiting until I saw you were on.
Probably too late now.
http://expertvagabond.com/things-to-do-playa-del-carmen/
TGBS
I totally agreed with every word Roy Keane spoke there. I seemed to miss a few things watching in my local last night. Nir was shocking in tracking his runner. The Celtic team seemed to not want to tackle or get close to their opponent. Were they instructed to do this? Seemed very strange tactics.
Sorry,this laptop has gone wonky with the Cand P.Goodnight.
DELANEYS DUNKY on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:30 AM
I feel sure that Brendan will learn.
Sure.
Macjay1,
cheers for that, got a trip arranged at the weekend to the cenotes, maybe gonna go to Chichen Itza as well
QF
What would it matter if we “screamed” it was unacceptable?
What would that change? It happened- we may not, and should not, like it but we have to accept it happened.
Now, our captain said it was unacceptable. I’d guess he meant that he did not like it and he would try hard to ensure it did not happen again.
But he was trying last night and it still happened. Broony cannot guarantee it won’t happen again, neither can Brendan and neither can you or I.
I think we have lost 23 out of the last 25 Euro away ties. Many of them have been lost by more than a one goal margin. We shipped 3 goals to Molde, 4 to Zagreb, Legia and Utrecht and 6 previously to Barca. At home we have shipped 3 goals to each of the big 3 Italian clubs though we managed to score 3 ourselves against Inter.
There is a recurring pattern there and merely vowing to try harder is not going to stop it happening again.
We can, on our day, punch above our weight and get a good result or two but it is getting harder and harder to put a string of them together in the same campaign. And that pattern will not be changed just by buying bigger and better players – we also need bigger and better cash input to the club to afford all that and we need experience of regular competition at a higher level than 90% of our games provide.
Scottish football has been on a slow slide since money left to go elsewhere. Two teams managed Euro finals 11 and 13 years ago. We managed our last 16 in CL 4 years ago and we lost home and away with an agg. 5:0 score.
Our change and improvement has got to be gradual and sustainable and only a change in playing environment to a financially richer environment is going to make that change happen quicker.
So it is possible, to understand why we are where we are and even to accept that analysis. You don’t have to accept it or like it but you still need a better plan than “sack the manager and get a new guy” to turn your dissatisfaction and your non-acceptance into a functional and operational plan that can deliver better, albeit gradual, improvement
All else is merely screaming- and we all did that last night- happy clappers, mineshafters and all shades in between
Macjay
I am sure you are correct about Brendan.
Apart from last night, Gibralter and Israel, he is learning on his feet and doing a grand job so far.
gordybhoy64 on 15th September 2016 12:11 am
Delaneys,
6 to 1 is generally available for RC at the weekend
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ffs Gordy, they won’t pump the Huns by that much. Maybe 5-1…
GORDYBHOY64 on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:35 AM
Chichen was the other spot she metioned.
La jefa will be chuffed :-)
Some good news from Mexico.
Macjay
“You do get it .”
I get what you think you see and read.
Why do you pretend otherwise ?
Because it isn’t there in my post and I think I trust my judgement on my meaning more than accepting yours.
Literary allusions beyond your ken ?
I would hope that I just proved otherwise in my last post where i was laughing at what other unjustified dystopian vision you could “read” into my post.
Now, about those questions I posed???
Delaneys Dunky
The lack of tackling was strange as well as the lack of fouls (only 3) committed by Celtic in the 90 minutes.
Must be some kind of record.
DELANEYS DUNKY on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:42 AM
Two months or so with the players ?
A triumph.
Setbacks. Of course. Maybe this weekend too.
We`re on our way with Brendan.
Thuoghs with Zybesek- can’t be easy watching your 2 favoured teams take 0-7, 0-6 pounding on consecutive nights.
Even Citeh’s 4-0 puts our result in perspective- there’s a growing gulf between the financial doping junkies and the honest businesses at CL level.
Good.
Let them all breakaway – the fans of the ‘lesser’, ‘responsible’ clubs with flock for any competitive trans-euro league and ignore the big fix. The tv companies will eat up a league with the likes of us, Feyenoord, Gladbach, Legia, etc in it – they’ll soon realise the vast audience appetite for a level playing field.
THE GLORIOUS BALANCE SHEET on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:18 AM
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Hail Hail fella.
Yeah, I heard RK as well and, like you I agree with every word.
He more or less said that Brendan was talking a lot of p#sh last night and, I think he’s right about that as well.
RK also said that we ‘scraped’ through the CL-qualifiers then, celebrated as if we’d won the trophy !
Again I agree with him.
Makes me continue to wonder….what did RK see when he put his heid roon the green door that made him run for the hills ?
Is Brendan the squirrel really a puppet after all ?
The rudderless ship sails on….by deceit.
….oot….
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:44 AM
Forget the trivia. And the sophistry .
IMHO Your original post was a downer.
The troops need enthusiasm right now , not predictions about the end of Brendan.
Can you at least agree with that ?
TGBS
I did not know the 3 fouls commited stat.
In that case, it should have only been 2. Nir’s pathetic, unnecessary foul on Messi for Neymar’s free kick goal seemed clueless on the edge of the box.
Did Broonys shove on Neymar that got him booked count as a foul,
if so we only committed 2 fouls in actual play,
KEVJ
“Is Brendan the squirrel really a puppet after all ? ”
Tufty?
Macjay
Positivity helps- of course.
Positivity without realism- that’s Pangloss in Voltaire’s Candide- just wishful thinking.
Realism without positivity- that is dystopia like 1984, and Animal Farm but not like The Road or Blade Runner
There is no less positivity in my vision than in yours. As in my post to QF- you cannot just wish change, you have to make it happen. So far tonight we have had
exhortations to use the Tony Pulis (Walter Smith??) approach and parjk the bus
change the formation- (the Champ manager approach)
Buy better
Spend Bigger
Employ a “proper” DM.
The people to whom we are proffering this advice are better informed than us. It’s the same as me writing to Nabokov telling him how to construct sentences better {though I’d have no hesitation in lecturing Tolkien on the matter :-) }
We are just chewing the fat and shooting the breeze with each other on here. My original point, which you misread, was that we have to let Brendan Rodgers try to implement a Brendan Rodgers vision. If we wanted a more pragmatic and defensively cautious manager, we should have brought in someone who likes to work that way.
Goodnight to you all
BMCUW
Brendan’s previous job at Liverpool could make him a red squirrel like Tufty Fluffytail. :)
DELANEYSDUNKY
Haw,ye’ve taken that too far(!)
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:09 AM
O.K. I see an inkling of agreement here.
Realism. Yes.
After two years without , we now have a coach.
Whit are these comments suggesting we don’t belong in the CL, or we are better off in the EL?
Last time I checked, we are troosering 30 Million plus for our CL participation, the entry to which we earned on merit.
BMCUW
They ones suggesting Brendan is a squirrel or puppet, have taken it too far!
SINCITYBHOY
Seems a fair few expected us to be challenging at the first time of asking,this after watching the quality of our personnel being shredded over the last few years.
It will take time to get back to a reasonable standard. If we continue to improve during that time,I’m quite happy.
Of course,Im not over the moon about losing 7-0,but IMO it@s preferable to losing later tonight by 2-1 in a lesser competition.
Every journey has to start somewhere.
(Just for MACJAY-“with a single step!”)
DELANEYSDUNKY
Aye. Hence Tufty.
A ridiculous retort to a ridiculous suggestion.
SCB
When we see a total attendance of 180,000 for our 3 CL home matches, your comment will be vindicated.
BMCUW
I was merely adding to the surrealism. :)