Zombie EBT tales, Medicine for Reo

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I see there is a bit of sensitivity across the city today, on the 11th anniversary of Rangers liquidation.  Fair enough.  We are all entitled to our own backstory and if the shoe was on the other foot, we would be clinging to dear life to whatever comforts we could.  As the years go by, however, a re-writing can creep in.  For example, “EBTs were used by Celtic and lots of other clubs, Rangers were just victimised by HMRC”, is a new article of the faithless.

Just in case you encounter a Halloween zombie believing in such fairytales tonight, set him right.  Celtic funded an EBT with one payment (only).  They declared this to HMRC and paid the tax.  The payment was not subject to a contract, hidden from the football and taxation authorites or otherwise.  It wasn’t the EBT that was Rangers’ problem, it was using the scheme as disguised renumeration, the failure to pay tax on this renumeration and the failure to submit player employment contracts which noted these payments to the SFA and SPL, as both bodies require in order to ensure rules are followed and a level playing field.

News confirmed yesterday afternoon, that Reo Hatate would miss the remainder of the year because of a hamstring injury picked up on Wednesday, presents a significant problem for Celtic.  Without Reo, we are slower, lacking his speed of thought and movement.  This correlates with results, which are poorer without him.  I think this is a real problem.

Liel Abada, another of our main creative talents, will also be missing until around the same time, leaving Brendan Rodgers with a challenge when facing packed Premiership defences.  He is not short of central midfield options, but there is not a clear substitute for Hatate, anymore than there is for Abada.  These talents are scarce in football.

For Reo, this is the fourth consecutive season he has suffered a hamstring injury, confirming a fragility he has in both legs.  The winter break starts after 2 January, after which we have a Scottish Cup tie and a home game against Ross County on 27 January.  That County game should be his target.  There is no point rushing him back for New Year, take the treatment and allow the injury a full three months to heal.

He is 25 years old, with his talent, injury profile and new contract, he is a player we can anticipate staying at Celtic for a long time.  We should take the medicine and invest whatever time necessary now to give him the best chance of a full recovery.

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  1. Grand Day To Be A Tim…

     

     

    Apologies for the delay in getting back…

     

     

    SftBs @ 30TH OCTOBER – 12:25 AM

     

     

    Chairbhoy

     

     

    The results of Jobo’s MOTM competition would suggest that,so far, in the first quarter of the season, 19 Celts have made an appreciative contribution to the Celtic cause and only 11 have failed to register in the top 5 performers on a match day but a fair proportion of those garnered votes of appreciation from individual observers, just not enough to make top 5 on any given match day.

     

     

    Several of them, through injury, have been denied a chance to impress on most of those 14 match days.

     

     

    So, the attrition rate of making no contribution or no appreciable contribution, on this metric, is a lot less than 50%. I make it less than 37% of our players have failed to make the top 5. Jobo can give an accurate figure but I’d guess it’s less than 5% who never garnered a point at all in any game…

     

     

    AN TEARMANN @ 30TH OCTOBER – 6:18 AM,

     

     

    CHAIRBHOY 5.19

     

     

    This was on our Chairman’s financial statement – 18 Sep 2023,

     

     

    “Our successfully proven strategy has delivered stability and footballing success over many years and remains the same. We must balance the signing of players that can be developed and sold when conditions are optimal alongside the need to sign players who are able to make an immediate impact and deliver footballing success.

     

     

    For me this strategy has been anything but a success, ten years of bloated squads with over half the players not making the grade.

     

     

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    Hi Chairbhoy.

     

     

    The important words there are the lasf 3- deliver footballing success-

     

     

    Do you not think we have been a success in footballing terms?

     

     

    Look at any Celtic side going back years and they have always carried big squads and in some they had nowhere near the age of success we now live in.

     

     

    Youths,academy snd transfers all add to the footballing success as mentioned in annual report,You do agree we have been reasonably successful?

     

     

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    JoBo’s POTY is always very interesting, it gives us a great view of the squad over the season, it also gives us great snapshots on a week to week basis.

     

     

    However it doesn’t tell us how many points those who have gone from last years squad would have got – a fair amount I’d suggest.

     

     

    It doesn’t tell us how many points the quality, experienced players we needed to sign but didn’t would have received – a fair amount I’d suggest.

     

     

    Your points on injuries is a useful one…

     

     

    BR has played mainly a 4-3-3 this season.

     

     

    Due to the fact he hasn’t had the quality and skill-set to play variations.

     

     

    Having a number of CH to choose from for the first time this season, BR was able to change the teams formation to a 3-5-2 during the second half against Athletico at CP.

     

     

    Most would agree this tactic secured a result, a result in the UCL that was much needed.

     

     

    What is your point caller!!??

     

     

    It is this, even the best resourced Manager’s, Coaches and Players will have plenty of challenges throughout a season in the various competitions.

     

     

    Those that are not supported properly by their Board are in effect fighting with one arm behind their back.

     

     

    “Do you not think we have been a success in footballing terms?”

     

     

    No, I don’t, across the spectrums of competitions we have been in over the last ten years we have only managed to consistently do well in the easiest of those challenges.

     

     

    We talk on here of a GoD, I’ve asked many times, who have we dominated!?

     

     

    We go for excuses rather than success.

     

     

    – Scottish Clubs Can’t Compete in Europe, Sevco scotched that myth

     

     

    – We lose to better teams in Europe because they are financially much better off than us, Cluj, Feyenoord scotch that myth

     

     

    – No decent players will come to Scotland, Ange scotched that myth

     

     

    – We don’t are need to try too hard, we are guaranteed ten in a row, Stevie Gerrard scotched that myth.

     

     

    Selling our best players and replacing them with prospects has been massively easy way for our Board to make money.

     

     

    It has been a yoke around the neck of our managers, though, their challenges are huge as we all agree.

     

     

    They need a much better player signing and develop strategy and they need to be much better and more professionally supported by a hugely well resourced PLC Board.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  2. Totally Agree on Reo Paul67,

     

     

    BR intimated that they would have a forensic look at what was plaguing him.

     

     

    It is key, we don’t have to buy €10 mn+ players but we do have to play them, even more important in our creative and striking positions.

     

     

    Hooefully the manager will get his wish and we bring in quality an experience in January, yet we need a fit Reo as an option.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  3. I try not to fall for lighthouse thinking where, when we win, we have people thinking about making Euro finals (obviously not a CL one) and, when we lose, punters proclaim the league is being lost. Mind you the odds on us winning a Euro final will be much longer than those of us losing a league (it happened once in the past 12 years)

     

     

    So, when Brendan says he needs more quality in the squad, I find it no more surprising than his statements of 2 weeks back when he said he has more understanding, this time around at Celtic, of the circumstances of Scottish football and transfer approaches. I think I can reconcile both statements- the ones suggesting he is more at peace with Celtic’s food-chain position and the one suggesting he is dissatisfied and wants improvements in quality. It is neither a sign that all is cosy and lovey-dovey or one that there is outright war between football and the suits.

     

     

    Brendan has a point in both views. He is more understanding of the difficulties of getting players with other options to come to Scotland but he also feels that doesn’t mean we can get no quality at all. He is right that he cannot develop them all, especially if they get insufficient game time. There is little prospect of Kwon and McCarthy getting any significant game time with Celtic first team- there ARE failed projects within our doors and they will have been told that but both are still here. I can’t see McCarthy going elsewhere until his contract is paid up and Kwon may be too shamed to give up so soon on his dreams. Whatever the reason is, they remain on our books and will not contribute.

     

     

    Players who are not playing and have no prospects of playing can stink a place out or you can get players like Scott Bain, who is a good influence around the club and is happy enough to be our current No.2 (he was supposed to be no.3 but Siegrist has shown insufficient enthusiasm to play) even though the support doesn’t rate him.

     

     

    We field only 2 teams, an SPFL and a fifth tier team. The latter is no use to anyone but 17 and 18 year olds early in their career. We rely, therefore on a hit-and-miss loan policy to help bridge the development path to the first team. It worked with Calmac, Kris Ajer and Ryan Christie and it proved beneficial for Mikey Johnston, but he may fall just short of our levels. I believe Matthew Anderson is doing ok at Admira Wacker and Ben McPherson at Queens Park but there are few indications that Bosun Lawal & Adam Montgomery at Fleetwood or Tobi Oluwayemi at Admira Wacker are doing enough to justify coming back to us. And that’s ok- more will fail on the loan out journey than be judged still to be up and coming prospects.

     

     

    Maybe the relaxation of the rules on dual ownership will help us get a genuine bridge team between Celtic B and Celtic A. If we had got a healthy stake in Fleetwood or Wigan under Shaun Maloney, maybe we could have sent McCarthy and Kwon down with a half dozen promising youngsters to a healthier sink or swim environment.

  4. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Wasn’t aware of a new wave of EBT angst and, frankly, don’t care.

     

     

    History is always being rewritten or at least reinterpreted to suit the agenda of the day ….

     

     

    … plus, these loons will swallow anything that helps sate their supremacist appetite.

     

     

    I know it rankles many on here (and with cause) that our board did not seemingly pursue the ‘strip the titles’ agenda assiduously.

     

     

    At a practical level I genuinely believe it is a waste of energy trying to kill their past.

     

     

    Crippling their future works fine for me.

  5. As always the case on CQN, cognitive aging processes coupled with fixed mindsets do make our older usual supects more prone to use of logical fallacies when defending their positions.

     

     

    Decreased working memory can make it harder for them to articulate complex viewpoints, resulting in arguing against simpler strawman positions…

     

     

    Do bear this in mind when conversing with them…

     

     

     

    HH

  6. Chairbhoy

     

     

    However it doesn’t tell us how many points those who have gone from last years squad would have got – a fair amount I’d suggest.

     

     

    I have little doubt that Jota would have outscored Palma at this stage but I am equally sure Scales has outscored Starfelt in any sequence of a dozen games last year – and Liam already has more CL game time than Starfelt had. Mooy is the only other departure and that was a career ending injury not us failing to keep a valued keeper.

     

     

     

    It doesn’t tell us how many points the quality, experienced players we needed to sign but didn’t would have received – a fair amount I’d suggest.

     

     

    I can’t tell what an imaginary character of an unspecified cost in an uspecified position might have done. This adds nothing to the debate. Would the player be Pat Stanton or Shane Duffy? Robbie Keane or Roy Keane? Joe Hart or Freddie Lljunberg? Kris Commons or Ian Wright?

     

     

    Have we been successful? No, I don’t, across the spectrums of competitions we have been in over the last ten years we have only managed to consistently do well in the easiest of those challenges.

     

     

    We talk on here of a GoD, I’ve asked many times, who have we dominated!?

     

     

     

    The SPFL league is our bread and butter. It provides 38 games with large attendances at all. We celebrate wildly when we win it. Having grown up when I did, I will never diminish our achievements in this period. We have enough of our enemies telling us that we should win each league at a canter given our financial advantages, without our own diminishing that and saying only Europe counts. An unprecedented set of trebles and quadruples- naw- no Interested?? Try telling that to a Celtic fan in the 50’s, 80’s and 90’s. We are bemoaning first world problems here.

     

     

     

     

     

    We go for excuses rather than success.

     

     

    It is no more of an excuse or just as big an excuse, to say:-

     

     

    “We would have won bigger and better if we had bought better more experienced players than the suits allow us to buy”

     

     

    As it is to say

     

     

    “It is very hard for Scottish clubs in a peripheral league to do much better in European football dominated by teams from big 5 leagues”

     

     

    In fact, I can present statistical evidence in support of statement 2. You can only play out statement 1 in your own head and wish-think a successful outcome because there is no club demonstrating the success of this strategy.

     

     

     

    Scottish Clubs Can’t Compete in Europe, Sevco scotched that myth

     

     

    Nobody ever says we can’t compete in Europe; we do it every year in fact. We just don’t regularly reach the latter stages of any European tournaments. Three losing final appearances in 2003, 2007 and 2022 does not scotch that statement. Changing a rarely to a can’t makes the argument easier to challenge but nobody says we can’t.

     

     

     

    We lose to better teams in Europe because they are financially much better off than us, Cluj, Feyenoord scotch that myth

     

     

    We lose to Kilmarnock and St. Mirren too and we beat Barcelona, Lazio and Liverpool occasionally too. There is always a risk element to competition even when you are the superior team, either financially or skill-wise. But the long term trend is that the bigger teams from the bigger leagues dominate the final stages of the Euro competitions. There is a palpable glass ceiling that is rarely broken through. But we can always quote an instance of a 90 year old man with a 40 a day habit to prove that smoking does not regularly cause cancer. Though in Feyenoord’s case you’re really showing us a 60 year old man with a 20 a day habit.

     

     

     

    No decent players will come to Scotland, Ange scotched that myth

     

     

    Again- no one says that. We have unearthed plenty of gems that bigger clubs overlooked or hadn’t heard of. Ange did it, so did Neil, Brendan, Gordon, Martin and even Ronny Deila. But we don’t tend to land them when the big clubs are also interested in them and we lose them to former English 4th division teams like Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton because they are now financially advantaged in terms of us.

     

     

    We have to get decent players from within the detritus that is overlooked. We have to work harder and smarter to do so. We risk more failure because of our relative financial disadvantage to 100 or so European clubs.

     

     

    I have always said we can do this better but I don’t think we’re as bad at it as some suggest.

     

     

     

    We don’t are need to try too hard, we are guaranteed ten in a row, Stevie Gerrard scotched that myth.

     

     

    Again- no-one ever said that on my side of the argument. It is actually levelled at us by critics on your side who say that winning an SPFL is easy and only Europe counts.

     

     

     

    We go for excuses rather than success.

     

     

    News to me. Source?? Are there no legitimate reasons (my synonym for your excuses) why we fail to land the CL every year?

     

     

    We’re stuck in a run of “no-one ever said that” territory

  7. As we embark on another cycle of Sevco PR boom and bust, and with January’s transfer window round the corner and Brendan getting his Christmas list in early, your article is a timely reminder of the importance of careful financial stewardship.

     

     

    I take issue with this: “We are all entitled to our own backstory and if the shoe was on the other foot, we would be clinging to dear life to whatever comforts we could.” If the shoe was on the other foot me and a lot of other right-minded Celtic supporters wouldn’t look for comfort or distraction, we’d take our medicine, if it was fair and within the rules, and blame the real bad guys, the people or person who put us in the that position in the first place.

     

     

    Your point about EBTs is centrally important – our attitude to Junininho’s contract is why we can always look anyone square in the eye when we’re criticizing them for cheating. It was dealt with immediately on our discovering it, we refused all requests for the sort of similar contracts that were commonplace at the time. No compromise means absolutely no argument in the future

     

     

    Likewise legal issues, we resolved any outstanding disputes quickly and continue to steer clear of distracting and damaging squabbles. When it comes to the biggest disputes we can approach them from a sound reputational position.

     

     

    We don’t cut corners, we don’t cheat, we do the right thing. We have a club to be proud of, it doesn’t happen by accident.

     

     

    We also have a club that is able to make financial decisions from such a solid position that cheating never has to be an option. Our finances are never stressed. As we approach the January window, sitting top of the league by 5 points, we have serious money in the bank to strengthen how the manager wants. As the past 2 Winter windows have shown, first teamers can be picked up without spending silly money for overpriced name players. 4 guaranteed starters came in the last two Winter windows for a combined outlay of less than £4m. The best player in the league arrived in January 2022, if we can find a couple more like him it will be job done

  8. “Our finances are never stressed”

     

     

    – Ain’t that the truth buddy…

     

     

    Rainy day funds are we csc

     

     

    HH

  9. SFTBS @ 1:06 PM,

     

     

    I have little doubt that Jota would have outscored Palma at this stage but I am equally sure Scales has outscored Starfelt in any sequence of a dozen games last year – and Liam already has more CL game time than Starfelt had. Mooy is the only other departure and that was a career ending injury not us failing to keep a valued keeper.i

     

     

    The point I was making was the Chairman is telling us we “….need to sign players who are able to make an immediate impact and deliver footballing success.

     

     

    We lost key players last season but did not replace them with the players we “need”.

     

     

    Try telling that to a Celtic fan in the 50’s, 80’s and 90’s. We are bemoaning first world problems here.

     

     

    Why are you choosing those decades?

     

     

    Bit random, is it

     

     

    I’ve been a Celtic fan in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 21st century.

     

     

    We’ve had our ups and downs sure.

     

     

    If you know a supporter who was a fan in the 50s but not in the 60s and 70s then started supporting us again in the 80s and 90s then stopped supporting us in the 21st century, I’d suggest that was pretty unique.

     

     

    If you have to be so selective to make your point, maybe it’s not such a great point.

     

     

    “…We beat Barcelona, Lazio and Liverpool occasionally too.”

     

     

    With all due respect your at it again, Lazio are not better off financially than we are and certainly not the financial behemoth that Barcelona and Liverpool are.

     

     

    Again- no-one ever said that on my side of the argument. It is actually levelled at us by critics on your side who say that winning an SPFL is easy and only Europe counts.

     

     

    Well there was a CQN lead that did, written by a rare guest, it stated that our huge cash advantage over Newco meant that if we only had to delve into our cash pile to put day light between the old firm rivals.

     

     

    Of course sport doesn’t work like that, the Board threw money at Lenny Mk II but without the strategic planning those transfer windows were failures.

     

     

    So that’s what we need, a good Manager, a strategic plan and a professional and supportive input from the Suits

     

     

    Hail Hail

  10. BIG WAVY on 31ST OCTOBER 2023 1:16 PM

     

     

    That’s a good thing. Imagine where we might be now if we didn’t have one in Summer 2021.

     

     

    You’ll be interested in what’s happening at Ajax at the moment. I listened to an interview with a Dutch football expert about how Ajax have got themselves into the mess they’re in. 4 and a half years ago they were literally minutes from a CL final, now they’re bottom of the Eredivise and bottom of their Europa league group. No European football after Christmas, no European football at all next season. Low on cash this year, they’ll need to bring in a lot next year from player sales next year or borrow heavily to pay the wages

     

     

    He said their main problem was they paid €150m euros for a whole team – 12 players and they’re almost all “crap.” The new manager is talking about playing the kids while the new signings are being dropped and will have a resale value a fraction of what they paid for them.

     

     

    Ajax make such a huge operating loss that they need both CL and Big income from transfers to stay in the black. They’re looking down the barrel, and they have no rainy day fund

  11. They had a rainy day fund, bugger than our was, but Covid and overpaying for players means it’s gone.

  12. CELTIC40ME on 31ST OCTOBER 2023 1:41 PM

     

     

    That’s a big spooky story and a half. Ran away from them pretty quickly (Van Der Saar’s near death being one factor) but a huge importance in mximising their trding model, which they didn’t.

     

     

    Wonder wht our prudent approach in sumer 23 wil return for us?

     

     

    HH

  13. Big Wavy

     

     

    You mentioned Mark Lawwell as not being up to his job. After 1 or maybe 2 transfer windows ?

     

     

    I am assuming at a basic level you can make this statement with full knowledge of this chaps job description ?

     

     

    Or are you just having a wee tantrum because you think like the entitled rangers support that ‘you deserve better’ with no earthly idea of what better even looks like ?

  14. Ajax have the added problem of where they will fund the extra cash they’ll need next season

     

     

    They’ve run out of superstars, Kenneth Taylor is the only young player attracting any sort of decent reviews. Problem is if they sell him the team loses its best player. The rest of the under 25s won’t realise much at all if they were sold.

     

     

    If they need to borrow there won’t be long queue for low rate loans. Part of the reason they have held large cash balances previously is because they don’t have access to cheap cash. They already pay a significant amount in interest every year, they don’t own their ground, they don’t have guaranteed access to large amounts of tv cash because the domestic deal is relatively low. The Italian clubs, for example, are guaranteed enough from serie a that they’ll always be able to service their debt.

     

     

    Celtic own our ground so we at least have something a lender could secure against but our guaranteed, domestic tv deal is even lower we’d also have to borrow at high rates.

  15. bournesouprecipe on

    “Listen, we understand the modern world and the want for shiny new things.

     

     

    “But I’m not going to throw guys to the garbage who I know are still very, very good players and who can make an impact for us.“

     

     

    Brendan Rodgers “

  16. BURNLEY78 @ 2:11 PM,

     

     

    Personally I’ll wait for the AGM and January transfer window before looking at the recruitment staff.

     

     

    Yet ML is “the bosses son” and January will be his 4th transfer window (he started in May 2022).

     

     

    So he really needs a very good window to stop the speculation that he’s only there because of his da’.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  17. BIG WAVY on 31ST OCTOBER 2023 2:01 PM

     

     

    “That’s a big spooky story and a half. “

     

     

    It is, but not one that our board wouldn’t have imagined.

     

     

    Van der Saar left before his health problems, he was very heavily criticized before he quit at the end of last season.

     

     

    “but a huge importance in maximizing their trding model, which they didn’t.”

     

     

    That because of the flaw in the model. They had maximized it for years but a couple of bad windows and putting too much importance in one man’s ability has them in serious trouble. They brought in Mislintat and let him sign a bunch of players for around the same value as you want us to pay or more and they’ve all turned out to be “crap”.

     

     

    Like every model ours, too, has its flaws. But they won’t jeapordise the future of the club

  18. Do we know for sure that Mark Lawwell was asked to scout players expected to make an impact?

     

     

    I don’t know but if he’s been tasked with bringing in players from halfway across the world I would imagine there would be an understanding of what signing “development” players from Japan and Korea for relatively small fees might mean in the short term

     

     

    Unless he’s setting the budgets and being asked to find first team ready players, which I doubt.

     

     

    But then I don’t know what his remit was.

  19. It will be interesting to see who we sign now, if seems likely we are looking for first teamers.

     

     

    We’ve done we recently in the winter window, hopefully we can sign another Matt, Reo or AJ

  20. BURNLEY78 on 31ST OCTOBER 2023 2:11 PM

     

    Big Wavy

     

     

    You mentioned Mark Lawwell as not being up to his job. After 1 or maybe 2 transfer windows ?

     

     

    I am assuming at a basic level you can make this statement with full knowledge of this chaps job description ?

     

     

    Or are you just having a wee tantrum because you think like the entitled rangers support that ‘you deserve better’ with no earthly idea of what better even looks like ?

     

     

    —-

     

     

    Tonight on ‘when geriatrics talk’…..

     

     

    Little strawmen pictures, ad hominem, irrelevant facts and a wee smattering of the Hun for effect.

     

     

    All a bit of a mangled mess, like the inside of your head probably….

     

     

    Awwwwwwwww…….

     

     

    Some may be triggered by mention of their favourite old, grey-suited man…be careful.

     

     

    HH

  21. Imagine hoping for players who can make an impact…

     

     

    Look at us eh? Greedy, entitled bassas :)

     

     

    HH

  22. Chairbhoy

     

     

    “The point I was making was the Chairman is telling us we “….need to sign players who are able to make an immediate impact and deliver footballing success.”

     

     

    The point you were making was the one I addressed- it appeared under your poster name and you did not dissociate yourself from it. It was about imagining what players would have scored if they were still here. You made other points like the one above, elsewhere in your post and they were addressed by me in dealing with that part of your post. (remember- the Stanton or Duffy, Commons or Wright part.

     

     

     

    Why are you choosing those decades?

     

     

     

    Bit random, is it

     

     

     

    I’ve been a Celtic fan in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 21st century.

     

     

     

    We’ve had our ups and downs sure.

     

     

     

    If you know a supporter who was a fan in the 50s but not in the 60s and 70s then started supporting us again in the 80s and 90s then stopped supporting us in the 21st century, I’d suggest that was pretty unique.

     

     

     

    If you have to be so selective to make your point, maybe it’s not such a great point.

     

     

    Of course you have to be selective to make the point I did. If I said Celtic were never as successful as at present, anyone could disprove me by point ing to 66 to 74 when we were both a domestically dominating team and a successful European team. That’s why, I highlighted the decades I did. Those were the times when league wins were scarcer and trebles were a thing of the past. The fans of those eras would not understand our angst and dissatisfaction with “only” domestic success when they had neither in many years. Some of those fans lived through the 60s and 70s too- correct- but many saw only their own era and are no longer with us. If you asked your younger self what he would have thought about 11 league wins out of 12 and adding 6 more trebles to the 2 won in the late 60’s, 5 of those 6 occurring in the past 6 years, they would have bitten your hand off. We haven’t fallen off from our European standards either. They were only ever high in the 66-74 period; apart from that we are as much also rans as we ever were.

     

     

     

    With all due respect your at it again, Lazio are not better off financially than we are

     

     

    The Lazio that paid 56m Euro for Crespo, 48m for Mendieta, 30m for Veron, 28m for Vieri, 25 m for Stan etc; You would have to come down to below number 30 in their list of record signings to find someone as cheap as Edouard. If they don’t have more money than us , they are spending someone else’s money.

     

     

     

    Well there was a CQN lead that did, written by a rare guest, it stated that our huge cash advantage over Newco meant that if we only had to delve into our cash pile to put day light between the old firm rivals.

     

     

    And did that not prove to be true? We lost a league after 9 successful wins and we re-invested and won the next 2, so far.

     

     

    Did this article actually state we would never lose another league? If it did- you were correct to add it as evidence. If it did not say that (and my memory is we don’t have anyone here daft enough to have said this) – then you are wrong and it disproves nothing

     

     

    So that’s what we need, a good Manager, a strategic plan and a professional and supportive input from the Suits

     

     

    I agree that is needed and I argue that we have it. I don’t agree that it is enough to satisfy our desires to be more relevant more regularly at Euro level. We bitched and moaned through 2 last 16 CL’s by WGS and one by NFL and now we are bitching and moaning about a period of regular league wins and Trebles.

     

     

    First World Problems are Us.

  23. CELTIC40ME @ 2:32 PM,

     

     

    Why would our Head of First Team Recruitment not be finding first team ready players?

     

     

    Whose job would that be then.

     

     

    Brendan Rodgers has made it clear it’s not his.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  24. SFtBs @ 2:48 PM,

     

     

    With all due respect it was you who brought up the JoBo POTY scenario, not I.

     

     

    Celtic have had their ups and downs, some great seasons and games in the eighties.

     

     

    Supporters loved following Celtic in the 50s, those fholk are the backbone of our support today.

     

     

    The 90s were a great decade for us, where we transitioned from dynastic oppression to a modern Club, ready to hit the 21st Century running.

     

     

    My point wasn’t regrading the money Lazio are spending, my point was the lack of money we were spending.

     

     

    Lazio’s turnover was €10mn higher than ours, minuscule.

     

     

    If they get more bang for their buck surely it proves my point.

     

     

    Did this article actually state we would never lose another league?

     

     

    Yes, I think it intimated just that…

     

     

    Hail Hail

  25. CHAIRBHOY on 31ST OCTOBER 2023 2:50 PM

     

    CELTIC40ME @ 2:32 PM,

     

     

    Why would our Head of First Team Recruitment not be finding first team ready players?

     

     

    He has, we’ve signed three in the last two windows who were bought for the first team, and a couple for immediate backup.

     

     

    But, unless he’s going against his bosses wishes we seem to have been concentrating more on signing development players.

     

     

    It looks like both to me, but with more of an emphasis on development. Which looks like it’s changing

     

     

    I’m not sure it’s very fair to judge him against what you want rather than what he’s being asked to do

  26. January not great for getting players in,probably bar the Asian market……a good chance that the squad we have will have to do us,and TBH I wouldn’t be getting anyone in,unless it’s a specific player Brendan wants.Hopefully next 2 windows we can offload 8-10 players, and get in 3-4 quality players. Then we will see BRs team on the park.

  27. I’m not much bothered to be honest, I’d rather every Celtic employee gets a fair crack of the whip and I don’t see that his surname should mean he gets unfairly judged as long as he does the job for Celtic but that’s not going to happen so 🤷‍♀️

     

     

    Comes with the job I guess

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