I was surprised Ronny Deila thought immediately after the game that Dedryck Boyata’s red card was valid, from the angle behind the goal it looked a well-time tackle, but let’s deal with the manager’s complaint against the player, who put a challenge in when wrong side of the attacker.
We’ve see three Celtic central defenders in this position in recent weeks: Efe against Ross County, Erik against Inverness and Dedryck last night. Erik was outpaced by Jordan Roberts but instead of risking a challenge from behind his opponent, he stayed on his feet and forced Roberts to shoot under pressure. Efe clumsily barged into his opponent and Dedryck went to ground.
All three got their starting positions wrong, which could have cost a goal, but Ambrose and Boyata compounded the problem by attempting a recovery, also from a wrong position. Sviatchenko chose to put pressure on the player and leave matters up to his goalkeeper. Erik made the right decision, Efe and Dedryck made wrong decisions.
And before Erik relaxes in the glow of praise, it was his unnecessary barge into an opponent which conceded the foul which led to the corner kick Accies equalised through. Don’t give away stupid fouls and you don’t allow opponents to fire the ball into your box.
And yes, the goal we lost came from a corner kick (I’m assuming those who were animated earlier in the season about zonal marking somehow overlook the same lack of ball-winning skills from the same players now we’re marking man-for-man). I’ve never known a team to lose so many goals from corners. We have a collection of players who cannot follow the flight of a football when launched into their box from a corner.
I know there’s a belief that you cannot practice penalty kicks, as the pressure of hitting them during a match changes everything. This is nonsense. Our poor penalty conversion rate over the last five or six years has cost us trophies. Ironically, John Collins has the best penalty conversion rate of any player in Celtic history (who’s taken more than 5). You would think he’d be able to sort this.
Poor technique is a consequence of poor preparation.
When Leigh Griffiths opened the scoring from the penalty spot it came as a great relief, as until then we were unable to create a genuine chance. A big part of the job at Celtic is breaking down packed defences away from home. There are largely two ways to achieve this:
1. Master the act of quick and precise passing
2. Have target men and wide players who are excellent at crossing the ball.
If we don’t have either play in our locker we’re going to drop a lot of points.
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CLUNKS, you say we need to “calling out cheats in the Scottish game” I’m asking you to give examples of where it has happened before? And especially when it actually made a difference?
Lucky Cody
So the players ain’t doing it for the manager. What a lot of tosh. And you want to get rid of the manager.
I’m not sure that would be the opinion of the players.
Neil Lennon & McCartney
Then if the question, which was loaded
Should have been swerved and dodged.
We have all been there and done it,
What you dont do is hang your mate out to dry.
That was wrong.
ie should your mate have got pished and called his bird an idiot??
Dodge/swerve – never seen it sorry buddy. hows your missus??
Its not hard!!
Eddie
We have done it repeatedly. And it has made no difference, I agree with you on that
I have never said it has made a difference.
But just cos it has never made a difference……………………..
…………doesnt mean we should shut up and stop talking about it??
or does it?
Eddie
Thats what doesnt make sense………..
shout about it louder and harder…..
get managers and players banned.
but dont stop talking and shouting about our injustices because it never worked in the past…
Roaming and I’m foaming with a lame duck to be canned
Roamin in the gloamin with a geriatric band
and when the music stops, F***ing come and buy some stocks
oh its good to be a moaning septic
clunks,
We will see soon enough the impact of Ronny’s comments.
No real point going Mad Cyril continuously until the next few games have been decided.
Ronny has a unique way of doing things. Let’s let him do it.
We are on the same side bud, even though I asked you to punch yourself in the face and called you an IDIOT!
Petec
We have every right to shout about it.
Would your god ask you to lie down or turn the other cheek?
HT @ 1038
“Ok, honestly, how do you rate him against previous Celtic managers and how do you think he’ll fair against European opposition if he’s kept on next season? ”
Ronny has achieved nothing yet to rank him anywhere in the top half of Celtic managers I have known. He also has no record of playing for Celtic which counts for some people. However, I do not see a visionary, a Norwegian diddy, a cheap option, a PE teacher, a No Plan B merchant, or a “just a nice guy”.
The way Ronny talks about football impresses me as a guy who is grounded and who knows that talk is cheap. He knows he was brought about to change the structure and direction of the club from the pragmatic football of WGS and the “here and now” winning attitude of NFL. Ronny has been charged with using the absence of the deid club to make us a fitter team that can cope with the continued regular predations by richer clubs and leagues, to produce player development that will leave us a stronger club to face the challenges we are going to face. He is a development coach and that is what we need.
It is pie-in-the-sky thinking to believe we can cheque-book our way out of our marginal situation by taking a Redknapp or MON approach to getting in a core of tried and tested players (or in Redknapp’s case- a glut of them). When we cannot attract McGeady or Hooper back because our wage ceiling is too low for them, then it is delusional to believe that managers like MON, Redknapp, Moyes or Brendan Rogers are going to come here when they are not yet damaged in the eyes of the EPL or English Championship, where they will get paid 4 times what we can afford. As thinking, that is right up there with “Where did the Seville money go?” – the very reason this blog started.
We might, I admit, get Malky Mackay to come up from England because he is truly toxic and won’t get job offers there. We could get Ron Atkinson too for the same reasons. We could easily get John Hughes, Paul Hartley or Alan Stubbs too but it would make a mockery of all the jibes directed at Ronny Deila when he came.
I have posted before about this “cheap option” jibe and the inexperienced jibe ( I have the post on file ready to bring up every time we become forgetful). Celtic have never employed big name, sought after managers. We have never sourced managers with vast Euro experience. Ronny Deila is clearly in the top 5 of managers with a track record and Euro experience (club level management) compared with any of our more respected managers. Most Celtic managers had done little in management before coming here, most were inexperienced managers, and most had no Euro experience.
The only two managers that cost us money to source were Tony Mowbray, who failed and lost his willingness to fight, and Tommy Burns, for whom we, uniquely, were ordered to pay compensation to his previous club because Fergus was honest and did not lie. Neither of them won a league. There is no correlation between how much we paid to recruit them and how well they did for us.
The great difficulty we face with judging Roony is knowing whether we are dealing with someone who is laying foundations and that is why there is no sign of a house yet, or someone who is laying bricks haphazardly and that is why there is no house yet nor will there ever be one.
Dario Gradi joined Crewe as manager in 1983. It took 6 years before they won promotion after 25 years as a basement club. He took them all the way to the top of the, now Championship, at Xmas 2004 before he sold Dean Ashton to Norwich and they started a slide back to their natural level.
Alex Ferguson joined Man U in 1986 as manager. It took him 4 years to win a trophy, the FA Cup, and 6 years to win the league. He stuck to his development task but he was very lucky not to have been sacked as he was subject to the same jibes of being a Scottish diddy who won an easy league, no plan B, a cheap option who lost the dressing room because he tackled the worst of the drinking culture there. He went on to be, arguably, the most successful British manager of all time. Now, you cannot find one person who owns up to having made those jibes against him but there were legions of them. They were all convinced they were right and, if the board had sacked him before 1990 or 1992, they would have remained convinced they were right because he would have had to retreat back to Scotland again as a failure.
Now Ronny may fail to be granted any more time. The majority of the Celtic support have turned against him. But, even if he does get sacked, I will remain unconvinced by the cheap arguments re cheap option, inexperienced, came from a poorer league, no Euro background etc; because those arguments will remain the nonsense that they are.
If it ends in failure, it will be because what he has done so far has not borne fruit and his sacking will damage him and us. He may well get sacked because there is a climate of fear around them appearing in the top league and, potentially, getting the odd good result against us. I am sanguine that, if they survive financially, they will beat us again at some point and, at some point further, might take the title from us. I see no point in worrying about either of those two inevitabilities (inevitable subject to their financial health).
The corollary of the argument that RD has left us unprepared to face the mighty Warb’s team is that he has only had one opportunity to gain the cheap kudos earned by a win over them. Nothing would make Ronny’s life at Celtic easier than a chance to rub their noses in the stink of their own inadequacy.
If he goes, I believe he will leave as the only Celtic manager ( I don’t think Frank Connor counts) to leave with a 100% winning record against the ibrox team.
Clunks glad you admit it has never achieved anything and it never will. The only way to beat them is by scoring more goals and not giving the ref an easy excuse to send you off.
Clunks,
Not sure what you are trying to say.
If a person steals from me, I will rightly be annoyed, they must have needed it more than me.
I’ve had tools stolen from me from a person (accomodation in the city centre) in work, I was annoyed Big Time. He must have needed that screwdriver.
Who knows why anyone does what they do.
In years to come the early 21st century documentation of Scottish football will be described by a new adjective in English….. Savillesque…in its denial of the immoral cheating, of its corruption and it’s depravity.
SFTB,
The Norwegian project is out of his depth…..by a long way. He was scouted as a no 2 by Lawwell.
He should never have been appointed as manager.
The “comparison” with Fergie is flawed.
Deila has lost the vast majority of the support and needs to be sacked ASAP.
SFTB is a pseudo intellectual happy clapper ….:)
EDDIEINKIRKMICHAEL on 29TH FEBRUARY 2016 12:48 AM
Clunks glad you admit it has never achieved anything and it never will. The only way to beat them is by scoring more goals and not giving the ref an easy excuse to send you off.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/some-reasons-why-celtic-will-drop-a-lot-of-points/comment-page-23/#comment-2785854
Glad we agree but I said
“We have done it repeatedly. And it has made no difference, I agree with you on that
I have never said it has made a difference.
But just cos it has never made a difference……………………..
………doesnt mean we should shut up and stop talking about it??
or does it?”
I never said “it never will” please punch yourself in the face, again!!!
We must repeatedly shout and make noise about the shit we face week in week out in the SPheLL
Juat because we have shouted about it in the past and it has made no difference does not mean we should not shout about it in the future.
You see where am going with this?
If you dont, punch yourself in the face and ask yourself the same question again.
“Juat because we have shouted about it in the past and it has made no difference does not mean we should not shout about it in the future.”
If you have not had an aha moment. keep punching yourself in the face and repeat the question.
If this sequence goes on for more than 15 mins then tell yourself you are right, not to stop brain damage 9as you already must be brain damaged) but to protect your knuckles which must be sashed to pieces.
SFTB,
The Norwegian League is, IMO ,easily better than the SPL.
G’night CQN.
Petec
WTF are you saying?
That make very little sense and is a lot of words strung together to try and obfuscate the argument?
CLUNKS,
Dodge/swerve – never seen it sorry buddy. hows your missus??
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It’s still a lie.
What if your “buddy” got pissed and hit his bird?
Would you still pretend it never happened, just for his sake?
clunks on 29th February 2016 12:42 am
Petec
We have every right to shout about it.
Would your god ask you to lie down or turn the other cheek?
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I turned the other cheek when I wanted to punch his lights out.
Anyway G’night.
Neil Lennon & McCartney
But Boyata never hit his bird.
He never even swung at her.
He gave her a cuddle mate. Stop talking nonsense.
He made a great tackle.
And he got sent off for it,
The point is his mate came on national TV and said he hit his burd!
You see where this is going?
please punch yourself in the coupon
clunks on 29th February 2016 12:56 am
You are talking mince but I suspect you know that already.
setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox on 29th February 2016 12:44 am
Having said all of that , and most analytical and impressive it is , in the only criterion by which a Celtic team of our size and stature must be judged , Ronny is an abject failure .
Europe.
Does anyone have any confidence that this year Europe will be any different ?
Does anyone feel ,as I do ,that there is a possibility that we may not actually win the league ?
CLUNKS,
You brought up the analogy, not me.
Eddie
if your only argument is I am talking mince then………..please punch yourself in the face! LOTS!!
Coz that is not an argument its just abuse!
Clunks
SFTB
That got feck all to do with it
What particular “that” are you referring to? If it is the Lennon :Izzaguire link, then it is a comparable situation. Neil publicly criticised his player. He did not deal with it solely within the dressing room. And he did not lose the dressing room or Izzy’s confidence afterwards. The only difference is that Izzy was clearly guilty of a dive whereas Dedryk’s was not clear cut. The principle of criticising in public or in private is still relevant and, as I showed (I can provide other examples) – not that rare.
Boyata put in a great last gasp tackle, connected with the ball and got sent off.
Wrongly.
If it was a great last gasp tackle, it would not have been mistaken for a foul. I was at the game and most of us behind the goal thought he had fouled their player. Only when I saw the replay were doubts put in my mind. I was still shocked that a red card was produced but I, and many others, watching live thought it was a foul. Ronny spoke after the game without benefit of replay. Two respected pundits with no axes to grind against Celtic, debated this on Sportscene and came to opposite conclusions. The tackle was neither a clear cut foul nor a clear cut great tackle. It left room for a ref to act and Craig Thompson took full advantage. The only question for Ronny was- “Did Dedryk need to challenge on the ground? Could he have affected the play without doing so?
Then the manager comes out and takes leave of his vision and says actually he did not contact the ball and it was a sending off.
Again, from the dugout, he saw nothing other than what I saw from the stands. It looked like a foul to me and many Celtic fans with the same view and no replay. Only those watching side on from the Main Stand, with a clearer view had strong doubts about the award of the foul. Now, flashing the red, that’s another debate, but, obviously, Ronny wants the defenders not to dive in as often as they do. He said something similar about Izzy’s red against Ajax, I think, without making it personal with the player.
Did boyata catch the ball?
If its a yes (and the replays clearly show he did) then RD is erm, talking testicles. (b~ll@£k$)
After watching the replay 3 or 4 times, I think Boyata touches the ball, therefore it is doubtful Ronny is right. But Ronny never had 3 or 4 looks, did he? So, it is only his failure to take the Arsene Wenger/ Corporal Schultz approach that we should criticize Ronny for.
He needs to go.
He does not have the b~ll@£k$ to stand up for him or his players.
That is a non-sequitur. He stands up plenty. Let us see on Wednesday if the players are up in arms or not. We will face a Dundee side unbeaten in their last 7 matches
Neil Lennon & McCartney
Yes I brought up the analogy but you escalated it to a ridiculous level!
Of course if my mate smacked his burd I would smash him.
However that was never the point, and never did I say it was.
Please………..punch yourself in the face!!!
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 29TH FEBRUARY 2016 1:09 AM
Clunks
SFTB
That got feck all to do with it
What particular “that” are you referring to? If it is the Lennon :Izzaguire link, then it is a comparable situation. Neil publicly criticised his player. He did not deal with it solely within the dressing room. And he did not lose the dressing room or Izzy’s confidence afterwards. The only difference is that Izzy was clearly guilty of a dive whereas Dedryk’s was not clear cut. The principle of criticising in public or in private is still relevant and, as I showed (I can provide other examples) – not that rare.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/some-reasons-why-celtic-will-drop-a-lot-of-points/comment-page-23/#comment-2785872
The main difference here is Izzy dived and the TV replays proved it AND
Boyata was a fair tackle
and the TV replays proved it.
Therfore lennon was right to say it and
RD was not right to say it.
You explained it yourself mate.
Please………………….punch yourself in the face………………lots
cos you just proved why I am right….
CLUNKS,
My point is about the manager of my team responding honestly to a question relating to a game of football.
What is your point?
Apart from suggesting self-abuse?
However
As I m arguing with CEltic fans here and not with the people that need I need to be arguing with then
am gona go to bed and……
………………….punch my self in the face!
hail hail, I had fun tonight proving myself right…….even tho I have a sore face……………
take care
Neil Lennon & McCartney
My point has always been he should have swerved the question and not answered it honestly.
I believe you knew that though as I answered it very clearly in a previous post.
Please punch yourself in the face until you understand this?
Macjay
I’m off to my kip now.
We have talked about this before.
Having Europe as the only criterion of success is a barrier that no other Celtic manager has had to face. It is only raised as a “must do” criterion because “thems” are absent from our league. It is exactly the same thinking they indulged in when they were in the middle of their 9iar- “Celtic are irrelevant- it’s what we do in Europe that counts”.
I’d like more success in Europe too but there are very few clubs from the peripheral poor leagues that have come anywhere near our, admittedly middling, European record this millenium. And, unless we get a change of league, strap yourself in for more of the same. The downhill journey is driven by economic disparities and not by a Norwegian diddy or a skinflint Board. Change either or both and you still face the same hurdle.
As a support, we much prefer to fix the blame than to fix the problem.
Good night all
Clunks
G’night
We can pick this up again some other time.
P.S. My face remains unmarked :-)
CLUNKS,
Yes, I do know that you thought our manager should have “not answered honestly”
That’s the same as saying “he should have lied”.
No amount of self-abuse will change that.
SFTB
Rd is gona be the only manager in history to get sacked for winning back to back doubles.
What does that say for him?
Or the board?
Or all of them??
Should they all punch themselves in the face or only a portion of them?
Neil Lennon & McCartney
Again he should have swerved the question, I will put it in caps for you
HE SHOULD HAVE SWERVED THE QUESTION.
Please dont punch yourself in the face for a bit.
Ponder it.
Interviewer – “RD did boyata deserve to get sent off??”
RD – (should have said) “never saw it mate, hows your missus??”
Breath, close your eyes……..now punch yourself in the face. Infact, headbutt the wall and ask it if it punched his wife. Sheesh
SWERVE THE BLOODY QUESTION.
Dont lie, dont cheat or hit your wife, or any other feckers wife…………swerve the bloody question.
Again
Breath, close your eyes……..now punch yourself in the face. Infact, headbutt the wall and ask it if it punched his wife. Sheesh
Again
Breath, close your eyes……..now punch yourself in the face. Infact, headbutt the wall and ask it if it punched his wife. Sheesh
Repeat!!
Neil Lennon & McCartney
I am starting to believe you have punched yourself in the face far more than you should.
Give yourself and wee cuddle and tell yourself its gona be ok.
CLUNKS,
Most would agree that repeatedly banging your head against a brick wall is not conducive to rational thinking.
If your suggestion is based on personal experience, thanks, but no thanks.