Good luck to the Development Squad for their Uefa Youth League one-off cup tie against Valencia this evening. A win would see Celtic proceed to the quarter final – no mean feat when you consider the way some bigger league clubs harvest scores of youth players from across the globe.
Kick-off is 5pm, if you can get to Celtic Park. It’s not THE Champions League, but it’s an important metric we should follow.
Delighted Davie Hay and Tom Boyd are Celtic Ambassadors. I see enough of what the Celtic support to here to know the value of the club, but we can never take these values for granted. The Celtic Movement needs leaders. Davie and Tom have been informal ambassadors of the club for years, as many of you can testi
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Development game on BT Europe, 5pm, for those who can’t get to Paradise.
You see that one coming Bmcw?
I’m outta here for Lent ( not that anybody will notice). Don’t care for the tone in here or the self absorbed bitchiness. Also, too many ‘experts’ who are slating the team and manager when they patently have no idea what they’re talking about. Celtic are living within their means (radical, eh) and are trying to build a predominantly young, Scottish team. KT is now a regular, Nesbitt will not be far away with the young teams showing that there is great talent in the process of coming through.
A radical sea change takes time and can be a bumpy ride. I for one, am not for throwing the captain over the side because shamefully inept,desperate hun idiots in the media say I should.
Forza Ronny and his young guns on the rise.
CULTSBHOY CAN NOT RELATE TO CELTIC BOARD AMBITIONS ON OR OFF THE PARK on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 12:28 PM
I think Sutton is an ambassador for the Club – he has the interests of the club at heart not the Board… We shouldn’t confuse these things imo
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Anybody who had personal dealings with Sutton will tell you the same thing. He’s not a nice man.
He failed in management. He went bankrupt (He offers nothing more constructive than “back the manager with more money” funnily enough)
He should take a step back and think, if Chris Sutton was available in 2016 would Celtic be able to afford his transfer fee?
If Chris Sutton was available in 2016 and Celtic could afford the fee, would he play in Scotland for half or a third of the wage available in England?
Chris was a great player but paying for MON’s team put Celtic on the road to ruin. It was a path we couldn’t follow forever without ending up like Der Hun.
Even though Chris was well paid, we had plenty of failures with him as a player. He’s skint and would happily take a penny from anybody to stick the boot into the club.
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CULTSBHOY CAN NOT RELATE TO CELTIC BOARD AMBITIONS ON OR OFF THE PARK on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 12:02 PM
Timaloy29 / Weeminger
You are both of a different view to me which I accept but failure to me is
“EUROPE- I don’t have high demands/ expectations in Europe. No delusion of lifting cups but performances under Deila can never be accepted as success, surely?
Recent cup exit to Ross County.”
The Ross County game was disappointing. However, that’s cup football for you. We were all over them early on and a mistake compounded with a poor referee decision (it was a yellow) gave the team an uphill battle.
I’d be more worried if were being played off the park when it was 11 vs 11.
Nobody would argue that the results in Europe were poor. It’s obviously a big issue for Ronny. But if we are going to bring in a young coach and players, we can’t expect them to get it right every time. I’d like to see Ronny get another crack at it.
As I’ve pointed out before, Jurgen Klopp didn’t get it right in Europe on his first two attempts. Unfortunately, Europe has no guarantees.
“Given we are spending 6+ times nearest rivals we are neck and neck in the league and without a settled starting line up.”
We can’t control what Aberdeen do against the rest of the league. All we can do is beat them when we play them which we have failed to do as well as last season. Both games were lost due to set pieces which has been an obvious issue that hasn’t been sorted.
The settled line up has been lacking yes. It’s been a combination of bad luck and Ronny’s decision to change things. However, assuming the team doesn’t suffer a raft on injuries, I reckon at least 8 of the starting lineup (Gordon, Lustig, Sviat, Boyata, Tierney, Brown, Biton, Griffiths) will be starting every week over the next 6 weeks. Ronny has to make a decision about the other 3.
“Numerous poor signings ( I’d add to that too many signings – hence no clear picture of a starting 11)”
Every team has poor signings. The scouting system does need to go under review but I’m pleased with the January signings so far.
“Increasing alienation of fans manifest in empty seats and dwindling revenue income.”
We could argue all night about why this is happening. I suggest that there are plenty of reasons why people are staying away such as: saturation of football on TV, improvements in streaming, difficult economic conditions, lack of competition from Der Hun, Police targeting Celtic fans
I share some of your concerns. I’m skeptical that a new board and coach would fix these issues.
It’s not as if there’s no help out there, it’s just a case of they don’t pay it back, so they’r parasites as far as I’m concerned.
http://www.saas.gov.uk/my_money/loan_repayments.htm
Tonydonnelly67
Like any loan, you agree to terms and conditions before taking it out.
If one of these is that there is no requirement to repay until you are earning just over 17k, why would you be paying it back from the very little money left over from that salary at the end of the month, following tax and national insurance deductions?
The point is, graduates hopefully earning more than this, will be paying it back, those who are in work, not earning enough, are doing nothing wrong at all.
TONYDONNELLY67 on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 1:05 PM
The payback in loans unpaid is 40% what some are not getting here is, here in Scotland you don’t need to pay the loan back till the coarse your taking is finished, that’s my point, get a job, pay back what you owe, doesent matter what you pay back cut a deal, but pay it back, don’t just walk away and not pay it, like Huns.
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thanks for explaining, well done, thats that cleared up.
i blame catholic schools.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/student-loan-write-estimate-lowered-20-25
People working 40 plus hours a week are ‘parasites’ now, apparently.
As BEATBHOY states, two parties freely and willingly enter into a loan agreement with a very specific set of terms and conditions around interest rates and repayments. Not exactly parasitic.
Just checked there I’v got that BT euro sport chann. I be watching the young guns tonight. :))
You don’t have the choice about paying your loan out
They take it straight out of my salary every month
Timaloy29
We are all of a similar mind I suspect. Blogs tend to polarise views as we get down to binary decisions. Keep or sack manager? Change or support the Board?
Actually for me neither of these decisions are straight forward or likely to work on their own. For me it’s more about a change of strategy/ direction.
I accept we are living within our means but I also believe we can take managed risks. I’d personally prefer more £5m players than multiple £1.5m. I also recognise not many £5m players want to play in Scotland. Hence why European success is important not just as a revenue stream but as a recruitment and retention tool.
I ham up my monomaniac obsession with PL and his ‘grossly inflated £20k/ week salary’ ( Auld Bertie- that’s a self paradyfor your benefit) but I do question this as it’s morally wrong in my view but wrong commercially when we are down scaling operations.
So Failure is probably a strong statement. I think it’s as close to the mark as Success.
Right now we are treading water but the tide is coming in..
HH
cB
If I may step in here, if we win tonight then we are in the final 16. Here’s a very brief summary of the UEFA Youth League set up
32 teams (same teams as in the big boys competition) took place in a similar league format – 8 groups of 4 playing each otehr home and away. The 8 winners of that have automatically qualified for the last 16.
The runners up from those 8 groups are in the play-off round and all 8 of them will play away from home.
Meanwhile, a knock out tournament has been progressing featuring a different 32 teams – typically the youth teams of the Champions from the remaining countries, so Celtic included. We’ve come through the first 2 rounds (home and away knock out) and we are in the last 8 of those 32 teams.
The 8 ‘knock-out’ survivors play the 8 group runners up in a one-off game. We play Valencia tonight and if we win we’re in the last 16.
And some of you complained that the Last Man Standing rules were convoluted…. ;-)
You get a loan, you pay it back, can’t afford it, do without, or get it and don’t pay it back, your a parasite, why should I pay for your loan? Because I played fare and you didn’t, I’m missing something right?
I’ve lived in Scotland, England and Ireland and have only experienced the hostility to tertiary education in Scotland.
Most countries embrace the model that this education results in higher tax take over your life, despite the zero income for four to five years and the burden of loans. This tax take pays for the next generation.
TD,
Notwithstanding the debate on the benefits or not of tertiary education, your opening post today was aimed at the political and religious debate overnight and this morning. You don’t need a degree to have that debate and you don’t know the backgrounds of the posters who had a great debate. That is what has annoyed people.
there was really no need for it and it was not anything to do with differing opinions.
hail hail
TIMALOY29 on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 1:20 PM
You don’t have the choice about paying your loan out
They take it straight out of my salary every month
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/tom-davie-development-squad-face-valencia/comment-page-2/#comment-2773872
And so they should.
TONYDONNELLY
My nephew graduated last year,first-class Masters,Chemical Engineering from Strathclyde. I’m really proud of him
I’m really proud of his Mum,too. A single-parent,she more than did her bit,and when my nephew left Uni,he had no student loans. And thanks to devolution,no fees to pay back either.
He now works in England. His colleagues are being crucified by the debt they have accrued.
You lived in Canada,you must have seen it for yourself over there,it is not the way forward for a country which has to develop and keep its best. As has been said,it is a means of keeping the haves and the have-nots apart.
IMO,your suggestion is like demanding that the unemployed sweep the streets for ‘their keep’.
TONYDONNELLY67 on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 1:24 PM
You get a loan, you pay it back, can’t afford it, do without, or get it and don’t pay it back, your a parasite, why should I pay for your loan? Because I played fare and you didn’t, I’m missing something right?
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aye,
an education.
CONEYBHOY
Well that was my take on it and how I saw it, and I posted what I thought, you didn’t like my post and made your point fine, I don’t like politics on here and made my point on it, I can do that right? Be opinionated ?
I made the mistake of listening to the awful Radio Clyde phone in last night. (I know I only have myself to blame but I refuse to listen to Radio Scotland after the recent Ian Ferguson interview in which 3 of the 7 questions asked were (1) tell us about the time you talked Gazza into playing the imaginary flute at Celtic Park (2) Tell us about the fight with DiCanio and what really went on in the tunnel and (3) tell us about the house next to Parkhead that your parents lived in and how Celtic fans would through bricks at the windows [I kid you not, if you haven’t heard it do a listen back].
Anyway to Clyde, I refuse to listen Mondays and Fridays (Keevin’s, I’m going to say something negative about Celtic to get their fans phoning and arguing with me and TRIFC fans agreeing with me ( and Johnstone from the flat earth society)). Maybe it’s changed a bit since I last listened but last nights show had callers on who must be planted, nobody is surely that stupid?
here is a selection of the dross
1. How many of the Celtic squad could get a game for Rangers (the answer is clearly 11 but this drove 6 calls, including Celtic fans agreeing Waghorn and Wallace and possibly Halliday !). one TRIFC fan arguing that their 2 centre backs are better than the Croatian and Danish international centre backs.
2. Their pundit claimed Patrick Roberts is now one of the highest paid Celtic players at CP, despite the fact Celtic are paying only a fraction of his wages ( they have no idea of the financial arrangements around this loan but don’t let it get in the way of an anti Celtic point).
3. Dave King is waiting until summer to spend big on Rangers and win the league next year……….
4. Rangers will buy 5 players in the summer, but only back up players as first team is good enough, on a par with Hearts this year. (No mention of were the money would come from or how the Hearts comparison is arrived at).
5. The 2 players (whoever they may be) they bought from Accrington Stanley are top quality (that’s why they are at Accrington Stanley of course and don’t mention they were not bought, both free transfers who they couldn’t afford to bring in early.)
6. The daddy of them all from Roger Hannah, the league will be so exciting next year with a real challenge to Celtic if Rangers are back………………………
I have learned my lesson, will mention in confession and promise never to listen again.
Sain stives
I’m the first to tell you or anyone about my education and have done on here, many many times, you want to grab the moral high ground on it with snide jibes, fill yer boots, as long as your happy.
Bobby Murdoch
What else could the unemployed do to retain their benefits? Street sweeping may prove challenging for people with disabilities. What might they be able to do?
Alternatively we could just let them starve and freeze to death?
I’d be keen for Celtic to take a lead in including disenfranchised fans – perhaps allowing free entry to evening games in return for peddle power to generate electricity to power floodlights. We could seat all the a led body poor at the corners. Any surplus energy created can be sent to Peter Lawwells driveway…
Por Cierto
Not sure Lustig’s boat has sailed. He has played a lot more games than normal this season and maybe that is catching up with him a bit. If Janko hadn’t been injured I’m sure he’d have came in for a few games now and again to give ML a break.
Also our system requires the full-backs to get forward a lot. Maybe a wee tweak and put a right-footed player ahead of him to provide the width at least until Janko is fit again.
TONYDONNELLY 124
You’re paying? What,you still paying tax as a pensioner?
Pity you’ve annoyed some of our more financially aware types on here,otherwise I’m sure they’d be delighted to help you claw that back.
TD67, your language of calling students parasites is simply offensive, your are basically calling graduates who have not yet earned enough to start paying back a loan parasites, kids starting out in life, parasites?!?!?!?
Getting an education has always been the best way to advance in society, and even to advance society.
You are advocating denying that opportunity to any who cannot afford it up front!
So only the rich get an education!
Bizarre.
Back to painting.
Since the advent of Google – I’m surprised anybody bothers with University tbh…
If you have to sweep streets to pay back what you owe, so be it, and you’ll be a better person for it, I employed many students, and made sure they got every hour they needed, they all did well, doing all sorts of jobs, and they all paid there own way, and to this day they still keep in touch, and I see them when I go over there, all married(well most) with families now, they worked hard and got paid well because they tried, and all the world loves that. Any slackers where arse necked out the door, I could smell them a mile away.
Ticket bought for tonight
Looking forward to an early finish and watch the young bhoys
HH
Doc
Nice spin, read it again, students who don’t pay back loans are parasites, now if someone can show me where I said all students are parasites ?
Tony Donnelly
So for the years that you lived in Canada , you didn’t contribute to the UK tax system.
Yet you enjoy the full benefits of every other UK pensioner.
Yet you call others parasites.
You need a good look in the mirror.
TT
Bmcw
Here’s a newsflash, you pay taxes till you die, and even that’s debate able, you REALY should scroll by like you said you where going to do, …you words remember?…..
Sod it,I give up. Back to scrolling and ignoring.
No gold star for me,just a disappointing ‘must do better’
If ever there was a good day to chuck the blog for a bit,it’s Ash Wednesday. But there’s enough people taken the easy way out.
BearpitCSC
TONYDONNELLY67 on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 1:24 PM
‘You get a loan, you pay it back, can’t afford it, do without, or get it and don’t pay it back, your a parasite, why should I pay for your loan? Because I played fare and you didn’t, I’m missing something right?’
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I can’t help wondering what you think of those, of a certain age, who received the benefit of a university education without having to pay tuition fees and who also received a grant to help finance their time at university.
What a bunch of absolute cads, don’t you think?
Last one,since it was directed at me. Perfectly aware of the tax regime re pensions,thanks.
not that many fall into it,though.
Never in the field of Celtic Quick News were so many stooshies owed to so few facts.
Tony D
My bhoy has 6 months left of his Accountancy degree. Without student loans he wouldn’t been able to go to university.
He’s worked part time to help fund uni. He’s a stubborn young boy won’t except hands out from me or his mum. He wants to be his own man. Which I’m proud of.
Recently I’ve watched him apply for numerous jobs. Until know he’s not got a job yet if he doesn’t and has to work under the £17000 fresh hold,the student loan will go unpaid. So if that makes him a parasite and a hun it’s a sad world.
What I’ve witnessed his a hard working,determined young boy who has a bright future.
Allyhuntersgloves on 10th February 2016 1:33 pm
We should be clear here. Simunovic is not a Croatian international. He is potentially a talented young player, but is miles short of international class at the moment.