It would be remiss of me not to acknowledge Aberdeen fans’ banner on Saturday in response to their chairman, Stewart Milne’s suggestion that fans are damaging our game with talking about the consequences of clubs being found to be cheating.
I know some people learned the lessons of 2012 but others appear to have acquired amnesia. Back in 2012 only one SPL club was of the view that Rangers should not be allowed to phoenix and gain entry to top flight football. After a considerable campaign by fans, all others, apart from Rangers themselves, and Kilmarnock, decided it would be better if existing rules were allowed to stand on the matter.
Milne was off his head making his comments. The only way to possibly pull a stroke like this would be to keep quiet about it, even then I doubt it would be achievable. Making his feelings known was only going to engage Aberdeen supporters, who will have the ultimate view on what the club do.
The issue remains in the long grass until the Supreme Court have concluded their business, but what we said in October remains valid: if Celtic stand alone, the matter will not be looked at again, if other clubs are on-board, it will be examined appropriately. It is for fans of Aberdeen, United, Hibs, Hearts, Motherwell and make their feelings known.
The Herald’s piece this morning on Newco being “handed a place in the Premiership next summer as a result of some hastily-arranged league reconstruction” was remarkable. It was absurd but also worthy of respect. “NOBODY at Rangers (sic.)” wants this, but as other clubs need for Newco’s promotion is so great, apparently this is not really implausible.
Promote them, not because they are in need, because other clubs need them.
The starting position on league reconstruction is notable. For years only Celtic and Rangers blocked the SPL from being expanded. The majority of top flight clubs live in fear of (and experienced) relegation. They want a less competitive middle to the league. When the SPFL was formed a temporary moratorium of league reconstruction was agreed. This moratorium is due to expire shortly, a window for change is about to open up.
Tracking underneath all of these debates are the financial fundamentals. Newco is not financially viable. They are not viable in the Championship and although Premiership football would give them a few millions more, it would not change the fundamentals.
The circa £17m it takes to run a club at Ibrox before you employ football staff leaves little money for football given their anticipated top-flight income. It would take years and many tens of millions of dead investment to change this, as well as Mike Ashley raising the white flag.
These facts have not been grasped yet as the consequences of the hoped for investment of tens of millions not appearing are not being considered. Dave King might invest £30m-£50m, so with a fair wind everything might be OK. On the other hand, I think even £50m is tight, and I don’t see anything like that money heading to Ibrox.
The consequences of what happened in 2012, even on these pages, have yet to be realised. The old business model is finished, it’s not coming back.
Many thanks to everyone who contributed to the Foundation Christmas Appeal bucket collection on Saturday. You see people at their very best on these occasions. If you want to know how your money will be spent have a read here.
Very last shout from CQN Bookstore for Christmas delivery, if you’re after 16:00, it’ll be after the festives’ before you get your book or DVD.
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Auldheid on 21st December 2015 5:10 pm
For the record a quick google suggests my recollections were from 2013 when PL stated he’d not take part in any votes on DK’s fit and proper status.
AULDHEID on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 5:30 PM
Weeminger
It’s pointless blaming Celtic for the nature of the football industry. You might as well blame a zebra for not being back ( or white) all over.
In Scotland, Celtic is an integral part of the football industry. And when you stand with the crows, you can expect to be shot with the crows.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/aberdeen-fans-grasping-financial-fundamentals/comment-page-4/#comment-2741466
Quonno
We’ll see. :)
http://www.derekbobo.com/blog/post/28-the-zen-master
Quonno
So we play against ourselves then?
I think we should sign more centre midfielders in January to play down the left wing.
For what its worth , for me and a few that sit around me, Saturday was the tipping point with Ronny. Disappointed to read , he will be staying.
I was one of his biggest fans however after watching Motherwell rip us apart time and again, with Ronny standing clueless on the touchline, sorry not for me.
James Forrest’s blog says what a lot of us are now thinking, ‘ it doesn’t do what it says on the tin”
Faster, fitter its nonsense , aint going to happen. Mark McGhee now outfoxing him.
I’ll support him as long he’s manager but time for him to go.
Mourinho top of the list and work your way down Mr Desmond.
Weeminger 5.38
Do you mean 2015?
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32691123
This was the date JJ was referring to when he said PL voted against.
I hope we go on one of those win 7 games in a row runs – not sure we got the squad for it and I’ve fu@@ all idea who our best 11 is.
TIMALOY29 on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 4:49 PM
Exactly …. I’ve always felt our Board have been quiet
To protect fans / employees, to deny the meeja endless scripts, and because they know exactly how this is all going to end for sevco ….
I love love Aulheid but if I lived one hundred lives, I would not have loved but .001 percent of those that need love. So I do it my way, I do it quickly, (I now) but I only have the one lifetime and I want to see that level playing field before I die.
I know that is selfish, but I am being honest, I want the masons gone, I don’t care about the religion of those who replace them, but I want the masons gone and a level playing field for all. FOR ALL. And I want it today.
Is that so bad. Do you think God will KB me at the gate for harbouring such an attitude.
I want equality today. That is not hard to understand but unless there is a rising it just won’t ever happen. We can sit back in our rocking chairs, smoking our pipes with inane dribbling smiles on our faces until the unicorns come home, and then we are dead. Dead. Dead. And nothing has changed at all.
We’ve only passed the shit parcel to our children and advised them to be patient. Not for me.
Scottish football does not get a single penny form me from now until the squirming worms eat me unless the SFA are forced by the power of the fans of all clubs, to be accountable.
ACCOUNTABLE IN LAW.
IN LAW.
LAW.
JAIL TERMS AND FORFEIT OF POSSESIONS LAW and your wife boots you in the balls on the way out the door screaming you sad masonic cheating bastard type of justice in law.
It ain’t going to happen in my lifetime. So I hurt.
AULDHEID on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 5:42 PM
Quonno
So we play against ourselves then?
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Still wouldn’t bet on Ronny managing to win that game!
Probably end up being a very dull 0-0 draw :))
Hail Hail
Just a quick one before I go out for dinner with the blonde one.
Might have been said but, was up at the unveiling of the statue of Billy McNeil, the first team were there and some of the Lisbon Lions.
Now anyone who was there would have smiled and sung along with Bertie Auld and his unsurprising and impromptu rendition of Hail Hail the Celts are here.
I turned to my bhoy and said, there’s no way we can get beat today…..
Ayrshire is Green and White
Celtic fans are under attack when they wear the hoops or a scarf on a match day. The Board are hiding behind Regan’s ‘civil unrest ‘ bollox. How many of the vermin marched to Hampden that day to protest? 1500 ? Peter Lawwell’s 3 henchmen are all ex DCI’s ,instead of listening to them to persecute our own fans in our own stadium,why does he not use them and their contacts,to protect our own,from this perceived threat?
MICKTT
After seeing the statue and the Lisbon Lions I was thinking I love this club . Two hours later I was coming out of the ground thinking to myself I’m done with this crap. Fickle or what .
Make your own mind up……….
Ronny Sacked? Source here: facebook.com/InTheHeatOfLis…
HH
Sorry, try this………
https://www.facebook.com/InTheHeatOfLisbon67/?fref=ts
HH
Weefrathetim
Good to see you posting, Ronny is going nowhere
Hail Hail
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 21st December 2015 4:00 pm
TIMALOY29 on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 3:58 PM
but they will kick out our weans out of Celtic Park at the first sniff of them and for more money ?
*whit hauf decent parent would allow their weans tae go tae that bigot infested atmosphere. I was serving my time before I was allowed tae go although I did sneak up tae a couple of games when still in school it cost me a sore ear.
Good Evening Timland.
For the hun it’s all about triumphalism, just win
by fair or foul means, they will never change, our
gun’s should be aimed at the enablers inside Hampden.
Can I just say that the comments and debates on the blog this afternoon have been fantastic. Very enjoyable to have shared points of view and have ways of thinking challenged in a constructive way.
Weefrathetim. Dont bet your farm on it. H.H.
There is no way that Celtic FC can bury the entity from Ibrox – it will simply not be allowed to happen.
Even billionaire Ashley gets shot down when he tries to hold King to account.
LNS stands for ‘line in the sand’ – unless that was overturned there is not a hope in hell of ‘justice’.
The Scottish football authorities and the media have LNS as a backstop to all and every effort to obtain sporting justice.
Who knows what the outcomes of the Murray/Whyte/Green trials – but be sure of this, the mantra will be that ‘it doesn’t affect Newco and it’s time to move for the good of Scottish football.
There will be no title/cup-stripping and ‘Rangers’ will be back in position next season.
Unless there is irrefutable evidence that will stand up in court, Celtic FC have no options other than to like it or lump it.
GERRYFAETHEBRIG
How are you good buddy, glad to be back. I hope you and the family are well. For the record, the game was dismal on Saturday. :-)) HH
JOE FILLIPIS HAIRCUT
Widnae dream of it. Pesonally I don’t believe it, just posting what’s on twitter. :-))) Hope your well buddy. HH
67HEAVEN .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I AM WEE OSCAR…… IPOX BELONGS TO THE CREDITORS on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 5:50 PM
Absolutely! We are waiting for them to go bust AGAIN. We are waiting for the Supreme Court’s decision as well.
We could be winning a treble this season and they could be doing the double (liquidation)! Jelly and Ice Cream all round!
Been oot and just scanned back.
Another point that Barcabhoy made re player aqusitions, he stated, as does Pedro that it’s hard getting players in.
Bollix, and I am not talking about players who we have to buy, there are freebies out there who would give there right arm to play for us, they would earn loads more, win stuff, and possibly get a move to the epl.
Half of La Liga are made up of freebies, they can get them, why can’t we, cos the scouts are feckin clueless.
Nye Bevans
If/when that mob make the big league their crowds will dwindle by the time Santa is due, they won’t like being run close by Partick, Motherwell (who can beat us on their day) but every week they will struggle, their days of entitlement have gone and their followers will not be able to stick by them constantly trying to win fairly…..
It’s always good to be a Tim, but it’s getting better all we need is Ronny to play Scott Allan, Stuart Armstrong and Tony Stokes behind the Griff and the games a bogey, score more goals than the other team and we win more than we lose…..not the we lose that many
BadaB
From earlier, I know Craig Gordon was, just like Guidetti and Scepovic were, but RD is accredited with them and every other signing, when we know he had feck all to do with it.
Fred the Quim never answers a question, he is your typical troll, just comes on the disrupt the blog with his pish, I have asked him many things, not a single reply, didn’t expect one mind you, but every time he posts from now on I am going to pull him up, cos every post he makes is just pish to annoy the blog, if it wasn’t he would answer.
HH
Same 20/30 posters putting the boot Into Celtic all day every day. Huddleboard for Celtic banter.
Weefrathetim
I have heard Saturday was bad, we need to score first then everything falls into place, (apart fae Saturday) but again we can’t win every week, the more we talk about Celtic the better the blog is, although need to keep an eye on the cheats so that can’t cheat again……
Hope you and yours have a great Christmas
” there are freebies out there who would give there right arm to play for us”
I estimate their number to be similar to the number of players who would have signed for Rangers without an EBT.
Gerryfaethebrig……..despite what you read on
here we will be facing a version of the hun next
season,I was saying that this time last year,I
hope I’m wrong again.
As for RD,well I think he’s a dead man walking
pal.
GERRYFAETHEBRIG
You too and the family. Have a wonderfull christmas and a super 2016. HH
Ronny Deila has the final say on every signing. I know that for a fact.
Park is involved in the narrowing down of targets and he is the one who reports to PL. But he only refers to PL, players who Ronny has agreed to.
By golly that was an expensive trip to the ticket office!!
WeeFra
So ye got yer log in sorted :-)
Welcome back.
HT
They should be giving you money
Regan still backing Platini?
DUBLINBHOY on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 5:51 PM
AULDHEID on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 5:42 PM
Quonno
So we play against ourselves then?
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Still wouldn’t bet on Ronny managing to win that game!
Probably end up being a very dull 0-0 draw :))
Hail Hail
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Post of the day! Made me laugh! thanks.