It would be remiss of me not to acknowledge Aberdeen fans’ banner on Saturday in response to their chairman, Stewart Milne’s suggestion that fans are damaging our game with talking about the consequences of clubs being found to be cheating.
I know some people learned the lessons of 2012 but others appear to have acquired amnesia. Back in 2012 only one SPL club was of the view that Rangers should not be allowed to phoenix and gain entry to top flight football. After a considerable campaign by fans, all others, apart from Rangers themselves, and Kilmarnock, decided it would be better if existing rules were allowed to stand on the matter.
Milne was off his head making his comments. The only way to possibly pull a stroke like this would be to keep quiet about it, even then I doubt it would be achievable. Making his feelings known was only going to engage Aberdeen supporters, who will have the ultimate view on what the club do.
The issue remains in the long grass until the Supreme Court have concluded their business, but what we said in October remains valid: if Celtic stand alone, the matter will not be looked at again, if other clubs are on-board, it will be examined appropriately. It is for fans of Aberdeen, United, Hibs, Hearts, Motherwell and make their feelings known.
The Herald’s piece this morning on Newco being “handed a place in the Premiership next summer as a result of some hastily-arranged league reconstruction” was remarkable. It was absurd but also worthy of respect. “NOBODY at Rangers (sic.)” wants this, but as other clubs need for Newco’s promotion is so great, apparently this is not really implausible.
Promote them, not because they are in need, because other clubs need them.
The starting position on league reconstruction is notable. For years only Celtic and Rangers blocked the SPL from being expanded. The majority of top flight clubs live in fear of (and experienced) relegation. They want a less competitive middle to the league. When the SPFL was formed a temporary moratorium of league reconstruction was agreed. This moratorium is due to expire shortly, a window for change is about to open up.
Tracking underneath all of these debates are the financial fundamentals. Newco is not financially viable. They are not viable in the Championship and although Premiership football would give them a few millions more, it would not change the fundamentals.
The circa £17m it takes to run a club at Ibrox before you employ football staff leaves little money for football given their anticipated top-flight income. It would take years and many tens of millions of dead investment to change this, as well as Mike Ashley raising the white flag.
These facts have not been grasped yet as the consequences of the hoped for investment of tens of millions not appearing are not being considered. Dave King might invest £30m-£50m, so with a fair wind everything might be OK. On the other hand, I think even £50m is tight, and I don’t see anything like that money heading to Ibrox.
The consequences of what happened in 2012, even on these pages, have yet to be realised. The old business model is finished, it’s not coming back.
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Kitalba
Id be proud to stand with any Celtic supporter against the cheating.
I will be there when it matters.
I dearly hope we can muster a collective challenge to the injustice.
HH
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Male announcer: The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers. There is no stopping in the white zone.
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Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker csc
Bournesouprecipe
I don’t hate Ronny far from it I just don’t think he’s up to the job anymore.
The Green Man:
There is something amiss, here is Paul, one who is perceived by many to be a board sycophant, posting and highlighting an article about Aberdeen supporters ripping into their chairman….
What we need now from Paul is for him to ask the question why similar banners are not seen at Parkhead. Or is it really only sheep shaggers who have a heart and courage and a voice and we are all just closet soup sippers, lest we wet the bed from all these hun bogey men who are stalking us. Not a question. No need to answer, just leave me to my shame.
Aiden Bhoy
At least you gave him some time, there are experts on here that didn’t, haven’t been to game since he was appointed, and still won’t be at a game when he’s gone.
HH
so … an I understanding this right?!
Celtic cant say or do anything for fear of pissing of bands of roving orcs?
but they aren’t afraid to speak out every chance about misbehaving Celtic fans?
so …
If you are Celtic fan, if you carry a banner, sing a song, or light a flare you will be banned for life….
but they cant or wont do anything that might upset the bad orcs ….because there are too many of them, and they would REALLY, REALLY misbehave …
So, the moral of the story is … if you are going to do something bad, do something really really bad …
Brother Walfrid must be looking down with pride on our board!
I’m not suggesting for a second the board are adopting inaction because of the history of criminal violence by Rangers fans towards Celtic employees.
I am suggesting that Celtic are dealing with the issues raised by Murray’s cheating, and are doing this properly whilst being mindful of the safety of their employees.
The result is what matters here, not grandstanding in the press.
kitalba
PL was delighted to see Dave Kind in charge at Ibrox
Everybody knew he was a criminal. The laughs keep coming.
Why would we come out against it?
With FIFA and UEFA in the shit it is now in, now is the time to employ QC and approach FIFA and say do you know what is going on in Scotland with the SFA? Oh! and cc in the Kennedys and the City of London Police too.
Kitalba
We are basically being asked by the board to ignore the cheating and corruption, in case the bigots get upset and attack any Celtic staff.
However, the PLC have nothing to say about Celtic fans being violently attacked in the Gallowgate recently.
Silence wont achieve anything, this time, looking the other way wont work.
The crux of the matter will be whether the PLC are prepared to remain silent, if that is the case…there will be total uproar, of that ive no doubt.
HH
MIKE IN TORONTO on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 4:45 PM
so … an I understanding this right?!
Celtic cant say or do anything for fear of pissing of bands of roving orcs?
but they aren’t afraid to speak out every chance about misbehaving Celtic fans?
so …
If you are Celtic fan, if you carry a banner, sing a song, or light a flare you will be banned for life….
but they cant or wont do anything that might upset the bad orcs ….because there are too many of them, and they would REALLY, REALLY misbehave …
So, the moral of the story is … if you are going to do something bad, do something really really bad …
Brother Walfrid must be looking down with pride on our board!
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Or if you are going to misbehave make sure you wear some hun attire :)
Hail Hail
timaloy29:
I am delighted too, to see Mr King continue the sterling work of Mr. Whyte. However I don’t ever remember Peter Lawwell ever speaking out against his appointment. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe he did, I just don’t ever remember Peter getting his balls out… ever.
Dublibhoy …… how dare you suggest such a thing? They were Chelsea fans, dont ya know? :)
If we let the animals win cause they bite, that’ll work. There’s no chance they will try it on again.
Appeasement of a bully works each and every time so it does.
Our da’s and grandas had it easier back in the day, so they did.
Its a bit like this: Run away, Run away…the huns are coming,…hide.
MIKE IN TORONTO on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 4:54 PM
Dublibhoy …… how dare you suggest such a thing? They were Chelsea fans, dont ya know? :)
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Chelsea fans? Are you sure they weren’t Celtic fans pretending to be Chelsea fans dressed as hun?
I wonder if misbehaving Celtic fans dressed as Chelsea (or huns) would have the full wrought of the PLC come down on them.
Hail Hail
The Green Man:
Ajax supporters have hurt us more than the hun have over the last ten years. Remember Motherwell and the banning of the 180 and the instant club statement… remember… where was the club statement of disgust post the recent Ajax games? Where was the clubs statement in support of it own supporters, its very own lifeblood.
A flare in Istanbul, I am so sorry but I really cannot take that seriously. Istanbul, I ‘ll be there next week, I won’t flare up though.
Oh wait a minute, that’s a crock of sh!t.
Ssshhhh The Rangers are coming
RUN….HIDE
ITS THE HUNS:)
HELP!
LET THEM CHEAT OR THEY WILL GO MENTAL.
HH
Folks
Just because Celtic are not saying anything now does not mean they won’t which is a meaning most comments seem to be based on.
They already have commented iro of the COS and as already set out can say no more until appeal process ends. The have also commented on Res12 which is still alive and kicking the SFA because of how it has been done.
The safety angle only applies until the conditions for breaking from it emerge. I understand the feelings about the safety factor but you cannot blame Celtic for an issue which is one Scottish society refuses to address.
It’s a bloody disgrace that matters have to pursued in the way that they have but neither Celtic nor the Res12 guys are responsible for the environment which makes that necessary.
Aim your anger at the right places use it effectively but the target is not Celtic men.
If I’ve said patience once I’ve said it a thousand times.
You cannot measure patience in units of time, that is how you measure impatience.
Kitalba
I’m pretty sure I read who voted for and against on the JJ Sitonthefence blog.
I can remember reading it and thinking that’s interesting. JJ set out who voted for and against.
That does not mean it’s the truth but the source claims to be in the know (although minor errors and wrong predictions occur)
Ronny has had 3 transfer windows signing 19 players. 4 started on Saturday (Gordon, Boyata, Jozo and Cifti).
Doesn’t fill me with confidence, my kids wanted to leave early on Saturday, no fight on the park but let’s talk about Aberdeen fans and Sevco.
If Blatter and Platini can be taken down….so can anybody else.
This is the time for a root and branch change.
If the playing field isn’t levelled, it should be destroyed.
There is no merit in cheating.
Fight the power:)
P.S. I could probably rap that if I had a mike handy:)
HH
Stokes starting for Developement squad tonight.
Auldheid
Keep up the good work mate. Many do appreciate the work you have done and continue to do.
Auldheid @ 5.07
Indeed I would be surprised if DD and PL are not angry, they should be.
I hope you are right.
HH
Auldheid:
You are better than using JJ’s blog as a reference. FFS man get wise. Google it.
weeminger
The Green Man
CORRECT…..
What good is infinite patience to a caring/hurting man or woman who has died and only patience reigns above the grass underneath he/she slumbers.
I am not a patient man when I have been a victim of criminality. Criminality by soreness measured on how much my own have hurt me by supporting the criminality which invariably begs the question… if my morals and ethics don’t parallel theirs, then I have a simple choice to make.
If it is proved that Scottish Football was/is corrupt do I continue to put honest coin into endorsing said corruption?
I can only arrive at one answer to such a question. To answer in the diametrical would make me a hypocrite of the highest order.
Is this the part where you say you can’t make an omelette without breaking the eggs or some such crap.
kitalba
Why should PL comment on the goings on at Sevco? He has nothing to gain.
He’s just sitting back and laughing at them like the rest of us.
Weeminger
On TRFC being allowed into the bottom tier I remember looking at the licencing rules at the time.
I think 3 years accounts were needed (NOT to be confused with UEFA rules of three years membership) and I think they might even have changed the rules afterwards to introduce a discretionary element that was not there in 2012. (So much has happened it’s difficult to be remember with certainty).
So the only way TRFC could have got financial approval was for a business case to be presented that the SFA and SPL were more than willing to believe in.
In fact when you now see what the IPO brought in from sale of shares, that business case probably passed scrutiny. The SFA could argue they never imagined Green was not the spiv we all spotted from the off and that share money was to be used to pay off the “investors” who bought the carcase and the right to eat it.
So yes rules were ignored to keep up to 45000 paying customers in the industry who would have been lost by and large as supporters don’t change allegiances.
However had Celtic insisted the rules be applied rigidly because they could stand the loss of RFC based income, I really doubt any other club in Scottish football could have afforded to take that higher moral ground.
So even if Celtic had actively challenged the 5 Way it would still have been passed but had they been successful the impact on other clubs would have impacted negatively on Celtic.
That is the nature of the football industry that decisions that might be popular short term can nevertheless have a longer term impact that outweighs the short term gain.
It’s pointless blaming Celtic for the nature of the football industry. You might as well blame a zebra for not being back ( or white) all over.
TIMALOY29 on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 3:58 PM
Auldheid’s account of the Celtic board matches what I have heard
The board are perfectly happy to carry on without ever having to play the huns again.
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If this has been confirmed by Auldheid then I believe it wholeheartedly …… Auldheid’s confirmation is more than enough for me …. was getting a bit worried about the prerceived Board direction….
but what we said in October remains valid: if Celtic stand alone,
Alone or not, just where does Celtic stand?
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Auldheid
With all due respect I believe 3 years of this debacle has tested our patience and our belief that our board has the fans interest at heart
TIMALOY29 on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 5:29 PM
kitalba
Why should PL comment on the goings on at Sevco? He has nothing to gain.
He’s just sitting back and laughing at them like the rest of us.
He must be a twenty four carat fruitcake to laugh at someone whose absence is costing him ten mil a year. Allegedly.
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BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 21ST DECEMBER 2015 5:32 PM
Auldheid
With all due respect I believe 3 years of this debacle has tested our patience and our belief that our board has the fans interest at heart
Probably about right.
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PL should not comment on The Rangers per se, he should comment on abuse of power, the theft of potential from Celtic. the farce of the rule book being torn up, the farce of the five-way-agreement, the abuse of Celtic Supporters by Police Scotland, the disgrace of Celtic giving personal details to Police Scotland without reason., the disgrace of Celtic banning the 180 without proof, the disgrace of the inequality of the club that he steers as CEO and the lack of a caring living wage for all, the disgrace of the Scottish TV deal, etc. etc.
Kitalba
Ask the author of Corinthians 13.1 about patience.
Love is patient, love is kind, slow to anger etc etc.
I just found that attitude to life when I finally understood it after 55 odd years of not understanding it so helpful.
But we all have our own paths and understanding of love being continually shaped by our individual unfolding experience.
What’s for you may not be for me and vice versa.