The good news keeps coming today. A solid 0-2 win away to Inverness, the gap at the top of the league narrowing by two points, and issue 4 of CQN Magazine is now out! Out cover feature in this issue is an interview with Lisbon Lion, Willie Wallace. Willie lives in Australia but keeps in touch with events at Celtic through the internet.
Bobby Petta also speaks to us, recounting some of the great times he experienced as a Celtic player, as well as providing an introspective on the disappointing John Barnes season.
We cover some recent topical subjects, including policing of Scottish football, the perennial poppy and the financial crisis that has engulfed our game. Checkout the speech from 1941 by President Roosevelt on four essential human freedoms. At 60 pages it’s our biggest issue yet and stuffed full of great articles. Get stuck in…
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kev. I want success for the fans
Some bloggers think success is how much our board members take home to their own banks at the expense of Sucess on
The park
IMO Andrew Smith and his colleagues in the media should be mindful of some important principles in a democracy namely each vote cast has the same significance, it would also have served Andrew well to do some research on the GB before he wrote his piece, very tabloid of you Andrew, it also seems to be ridiculous to be making a point to a journo about freedom of speech, an argument the Press are using themselves at the moment to save them from the charges of disgusting phone hacking on very vulnerable families, Andrew it is possible to agree that these IRA chants should not be sung at Celtic park as i do whilst at the same time oppose the new offensive legislation bill on the grounds of freedom of speech.
By Andrew Smith
Published on Sunday 20 November 2011 00:00
THERE is a tiny pocket of Celtic supporters who see voicing pro-IRA sentiments as some sort of birthright, as the fighting of a good fight.
It was inevitable that this faction, now clustered mainly in the Green Brigade, would respond to club manager Neil Lennon’s appeals to desist from the chanting now being investigated by UEFA and the SPL with an indignant: “Who is he to tell us what we should or shouldn’t sing?” And that reaction may be the most offensive element in this whole issue.
For, in contrast to those who seek to keep a phoney war going through their songbook, Lennon lived through the real Troubles. As a youngster in Lurgan, one of those in his social circle was murdered by terrorists in the local lovers’ lane – a reprisal killing for that of a soldier at the same spot two weeks earlier.
In 2001 Lennon told me how his own career was saved following a spinal fracture at the age of 19 because the surgeons who operated on him at Belfast’s Musgrave Park Hospital “were the best around” through “dealing with some of the terrible states they’d find soldiers in”.
If the Celtic manager finds the paeans to the Provisional IRA offensive in coming from people “who didn’t grow up on it”, it is no doubt in part because they trivialise the humanity-destroying violent struggle from which Irish republicans living in that country have now, in the main, moved on.
“I find it disappointing,” the Celtic manager said of the willingness of football supporters in this country to perpetuate a “kiddie-on” Irish conflict. “They weren’t moved out of their house when there were bombs going off in the town. Living in that kind of environment you get used to it, believe it or not, you get used to the soldiers walking down the streets with their guns. But we’re getting down the political side and it’s an area I don’t want to touch on because it’s been covered so many times.
“Basically we want the minority of people to stop the offensive singing. That’s it in a nutshell. If they don’t, there will be action taken against them. I love this club, I love the supporters, they do wonders for the club everywhere they go. They’re a credit. But it’s that small minority who are tarnishing the reputation. They probably don’t know what they are singing. They’re being influenced by other people.”
Lennon wants to meet the Green Brigade, who would argue they are merely exercising freedom of speech through including in their repertoire a five-word chant “ooh, ah up the RA” that is neither sectarian nor discriminatory. “If and when we do sit down, I’ll state my case and they can state theirs,” he said. “I don’t have a problem with freedom of speech but a football arena is not a political arena.”
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Great Result..And 2 Great Goals..Well played Celtic (After we Scored Anyway)..
Anthony Stoke..You are making me Eat my Words..
To ALL the Lenny Detractors (We Told you he Was too Inexperienced bla bla bla)..Dropping Stokesie and Kicking his Butt has Worked and Celtic are a Better team for it..Yes he Still Misses Chances but Hey so did Henrik..(Well Once)..
Hopefully Hooper and Commons will Follow Suit..
l Have Never Bit into the 12pts Behind..League is Over Pash..Not with a Game in Hand and The Orcs to Come to Paradise..They will Have a Bad Patch..
We MUST Keep winning..
Summa
Just seen the first goal again. Apart from it’s sheer brilliance I noticed a JCGE banner over the advertising hoarding behind the goal that also said “stars of CCTV”
Very funny and sad at the same time.
Morning all.
Morning Celts, just found out the Hun score was 0-0 some team that eh!
I was that busy enjoying the Celtic result yesterday that I never gave the Huns a thought, let’s rack up the points Celts the chase is on.
V
Jesus. SydneyTim 5.25
You have heard that board members are happy with the current situation and actively stoking the fires?
Write what you heard – write who alledgedly has these views and write who told you this. Otherwise take your ridiculous agenda elsewhere.
tomtheleedstim says:
20 November, 2011 at 07:29
Just seen the first goal again. Apart from it’s sheer brilliance I noticed a JCGE banner over the advertising hoarding behind the goal that also said “stars of CCTV”
Very funny and sad at the same time.
Posted yesterday during the match, loved it, Satire punching through the media hypocrisy
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/soft_on_sectarianism_not_us_say_spl_1_1975952
Note the aggressive questioning and determination of hun apologist journalist to eke out the truth.
Compare and contrast!
BTW where are the thousands calling for the manager’s head?
Keeping your powder dry bhoys?
What do you think of mcmoist? 3 home draws already. What a shoite manager!
Focus externally and stop navel gazing/responding to the many hun agendas!
Silly bhoys!
HH and KTF
Quiet, soft morning here in North Ayrshire.
Great results yesterday.
Is this claim paranoia
The Scottish court system is corrosively anti-English, claims Scottish law lord, an article in the Herald today
Its a Conspiracy
Parliament staff offered lessons in how not to be religious bigots
Staff at the Scottish Parliament have been offered anti-bigotry lessons in response to fears about sectarianism at work. Specialist charity Nil By Mouth has invited the Scottish Parliament Corporate Body (SPCB) to take part in sessions about combating religious hatred. MSPs are currently scrutinising Government legislation that would introduce new offences for sectarian behaviour.
Rest of article in Herald
Maybe Holyrood should be included with football grounds in the new legislation?
lionroars67 says:
20 November, 2011 at 08:23
Surely your honour meant anti-irish/anti-catholic?
HH
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trying to email the CSA about a news report on Sky defaming the Celtic support but cant find contact details!
Help?
Tom McLaughlin says:
20 November, 2011 at 01:23
Just watched the game again.
For Celtic’s 2nd goal, from Forster’s short goal-kick to Matthews until Stokes’ volley into the net, Celtic made a total of 30 passes, all over the pitch, and were in possession for just over 2 minutes.
Also, about a minute after that goal, you can see Butcher at the tunnel talking to an ICT official. Next shot, he is back at the dug-out and can clearly be seen to tell Malpas, “Craig Burley says it was offside.”
It just goes to show how these guys set the agenda.
Can we expect the ICT manager to be carpetted by the beaks for his post-match comments, based on such hearsay? Probably not.
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Good spot there. No doubt Butcher now knows what a tube Burley is.
Butcher’s face was priceless when he saw the replay.
Well played WGS. He was in great form.
Well done the Bhoys and the fans.
Hail hail
Morning all from a cloudy but calm North Ayrshire.
Has there been any mention of the treatment meted out to Forrest and McCourt in particular yesterday? Doubt it. Probably put down to “robust” challenges. Could we not call for video review of some of those “tackles”?
Good morning friends from a slightly damp but bright EK.
Jobo
Steve Lomas has been carpeted just one game into his reign as St Johnstone manager cautioned him for making an “offensive hand gesture” at fourth official Craig Thomson. Match commander Kenny McDonald was informed about the incident at the mouth of the tunnell following a disputed offside call.
Goooooooooooooooood
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Not a bad day hear in the costa blanca
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lionroars67
what did he do???
Make the ‘spectacles required sign’ using both hands???
http://paddimir.blogspot.com/2011/11/offensive-songs-wee-survey.html
Interesting blog about “offensive” songs.
The case of Flower of Scotland is interesting. I noticed that ICT played this over the tannoy yesterday. Does anyone know if this is usual practice, or were they having a dig at our perceived “non-Scottishness”?
As the blogger points out, this song could well fall foul of the SNP/Police’s new laws. It would be great if an SNP administration succeeded in getting Flower of Scotland banned…
Morning all from gay Paree, nice morning, really should go for a run…
Parkheadcumsalford says: 20 November, 2011 at 09:23
Treatment of Forrest and Mathews prior to the sending off merited red cards in themselves. How Gillet in particular didn’t get even a yellow defies belief.
Ok, the red card when it came was soft, but it just about evens up for the other offences.
Two of the most skillful youngsters in the game in Scotland being targeted by Butcher’s men, with the MIB offering little protection. Only Paddy’s agility in avoiding a lunge from Shinnie at the end prevented him from serious injury.
Any wonder the game is dying in in Scotland ?
Wonder if SFA’s highly paid performance guy Watte (sp?) has any comment?
The Dutchman was mouthing off recently about investing in the “elite” youngsters such as Forrest as key for the future of the game. Guys like Jamesie need to be very special to survive at places like Motherwell and ICT.
Many others won’t.
merseycelt loves Neil Lennon and the Green Brigade but despises the anti irish/catholic bigotry inherent within the organisations who constitute the scottish establishment,
I was one of the ones saying Neil should go a few weeks back. We have reduced the gap but it is important to build on that with more wins and convincing wins at that. If we go into the Rangers game less than 7 points behind we defo have a chance.
Thins could quickly turn sour for the manager if things go the wrong way on the park. He has asked to talk to the Green Brigade personally to convince them to stop with the songs and chants. A brave man in more ways than we can imagine. I hope achieves everything he wants to this season. Certainly I was gritting my teeth at the comments on Clyde yesterday as the game wore on. Celtic are not a championship winning team etc. 2 hours later we are 2 points closer to the cheats…. so, juvenile as it may seem, get it round you Gordon Dalzie,l Hugh Keevins and Jim Delahunt.
Dalziels comments about Samaras were a Disgrace, Claiming he was feigning injury. Celtic should set aside money to sue these folk. Naismith dives at every opportunity and all we get is he slips. An absolute disgrace and as other point out this examination of every Celtic decision particulary on ESPN has gone beyond the pale. All it takes is for Craig Burley to say something negative and it becomes gospel.
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) says:
20 November, 2011 at 09:41
Terry Butcher can kick doors in
Terry can go way beyond the George Peat infamous inference statements on referees
Scotlands Mr angry Terry Butcher
Maybe it was an illicit gesture
Born in Hannover, Germany, young Steve started his career in the Irish club Coleraine. Spotted by Billy McNeill, he starting out as an apprentice, cleaning Neil Pointons boots. Steve is a former youth team captain, but soon established himself in the senior squad. Favourite players when growing up were McNab, Souness and Macca.
Morning CQN from a sunny Socialist Republic.
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*)
You should be able to contact the CSA here;
http://www.thecsa.co.uk/sendmessage.php
HH
Tom English is summed up by his own words in the Scotsman
“The incident that caused most fascination last season was not players kicking a ball, it was Lennon going for Ally McCoist on the touchline.”
merseycelt loves Neil Lennon and the Green Brigade but despises the anti irish/catholic bigotry inherent within the organisations who constitute the scottish establishment says:
20 November, 2011 at 08:03
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/soft_on_sectarianism_not_us_say_spl_1_1975952
Margaret McGill says:
20 November, 2011 at 04:24
KevJungle – Put the Green Brigade into a new JUNGLE says:
20 November, 2011 at 04:17
Why dont they buy RANGERS?
whatever the going price is.
Bury them.
We should have done that in the January window without buying them Margaret during Strachans 4th title march?? but I think our board realised we couldn’t keep the whole SPL afloat on our own! lol… they have their uses!
Daily Mail
An angry Lennon was pulled away from McCoist after reacting to a comment from the future Rangers manager as the pair shook hands after Celtic`s 1-0 victory on March 2.
McCoist had earlier been held back by manager Walter Smith as Lennon and Rangers player El-Hadji Diouf exchanged words during the first half of the fifth-round replay
McCoist had been held back hmmmmmmmmmmmm Tom English never seen that
Good Morning to the Celtic Family from an overcast Central Scotland. Why would anyone take what Terry Butcher says about football seriously? the guy is a serial failure in management just look back at his history and currently ICT sit bottom of the league.He set his team out yesterday to stop Celtic at all costs the referee was weak he allowed numerouse fouls against Celtic which a decent Referee would have issued a yellow card had he done his job properly I doubt ICT would have finished the game with as many as ten players.So lets tell it as it is lets not take the rubbish sitting down that spouts from the mouths of Burley and co.Well done yesterday to the travelling Celtic support they chanted and urged the team on for the full 90 minutes.H.H.
Good afternoon from a very cold city outside Moscow. A great set of results yesterday and wee winning run in the offing hopefully.
I am out here working and there is about ten ex-pats here some good ghuys and some darksiders, I won`t call them huns they are good mates of mine. On my last trip home I returned to my seat in the cabin to a headline cut out of the sun and pinned above my seat which read.
” rankers are blue Celtic are green the title race is over by halloween”. The darksiders thought when I seen it I would rip it down
and were surprised that I never, when they mentioned it I said that is a bold statement to make this early in the season is it not?
Why`s that then ” yous ur p**h”. When I told them there was a lot of games to play and the tax dodgers 11 have been lucky with injuries and we have a transfer window in January where teams might be strengthened or weakend, a lot of things could change before the season ends. I said if I was Neil Lennon I would pin that above the door of the Celtic dressing room so every Celtic player could see what the rest of the country thought. So I will leave it up and I think someone else is going to rip it down before I touch it.
I`m a superstitious bugger and all I`ll say is the last time I worked here we won the the league on Tommy Burn`s Thursday,
there were more Tims on that job and I don`t know what the locals thought about all these mad men doing an impromtu huddle in the middle of a basement bar in the back of beyond.
They looked at us like we were aff wur heids and we looked back as if we wurny.
KTF.
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2011
By: Phil Mac Giolla Bhain (published November 19th, 2011 at 4:52 pm)
Today there was an anti-British rebel song played over the PA at Ibrox.
The song celebrates those who opposed to crown in arms to break away from London rule.
These rebels in a British colony wanted an independent republic with separation of church and state.
Unable to face down the might of the British military they used guerrilla tactics where they could utilizing their local knowledge and support of the people.
Sound familiar?
Today was a celebration of Americana at Ibrox.
How many of the home crowd at Ibrox know of the origins of the United States of America?
The 13 colonies treasonably rebelled against the British crown. The Americans engaged the Brits on their own terms.
There was no essential difference between the Minutemen and the IRA flying columns.
They used the same tactics against the same enemy-the British.
They established a republic that was modelled to be the antithesis of Britishness:
elected head of state, written constitution, checks and balances written into the DNA of the new state. The constitution of the United States of America screams for every line: “we are not British and we aren’t like them in any way!”
It isn’t just the Americans of course.
There are fifty modern states from Kenya to Cyprus, Ireland to Iraq to India and from Swaziland and
South Africa to the Solomon Islands. Many are small nations, islands communities and I don’t doubt
many of them would have suffered from oppression from the British, but basically they would not
have had the population to resist a global superpower. That fifty include Israel and the British
Mandate over Palestine and Cameroon who got their independence from both Britain and France,
also Pakistan as they got their own nation after partition with India.
Some of those states were granted their freedom very graciously from the London imperium.
Others, like the Americans and the Irish seized it violently.
It is nice to see the quintessentially British football club having no issues with this concept.
Just like the British monarch honouring the IRA in the garden of Remembrance in Dublin earlier this year.
As if secession from the empire wasn’t bad enough the newly constituted upstart republic declared war on the “mother country” in 1812.
The empire struck back, but was ultimately defeated.
A key target for the British was to blockade Chesapeake Bay and seize Baltimore.
The defence of Baltimore’s Fort McHenry in the battle inspired Francis Scott Key to compose the poem “The Star-Spangled Banner” which later became the lyrics of the national anthem of the United States of America.
It was this anthem that was heard over the PA at Ibrox today.
There are many national anthems around that are “rebel songs.”
It would appear that some treasonable secessionists who establish a republic by force of irregular arms are more acceptable at Ibrox than others.
I have some questions after today:
(1) Are the people running the showbiz side of things at RFC historically illiterate?
(2) Do they have a complete irony bypass?
(3) Or do they believe that the only bad guys in the RFC World view are Irish rebels?
So to all my Fenian cousins in America have a great Thanksgiving this Thursday.
You got the better of the deal in growing up in a country where public expressions of Irishness aren’t verboten.
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The above curtesy of Phil Mac
V
Thoughts for the day.
Craig Burley’s sneering comments on various Celtic players are “out of order”
James Forrest is in danger of being seriously injured if he is not given more protection.
Team selection ,for away games is handing an advantage to our opponents. Going with 4 offensive players leaves us undermanned in mid-field.
Even against 10 men we made hardly any chances till Ki came on .
Why has Tom English suddenly become an expert on Celtic matters? Where’s he come from and what does he know?
Rangers play an anti British rebel song over their tannoy.
ICT play a song glorifying war that must have offended their manager.
Yet we are the ones who are threatened because of the songs we sing? It’s a funny old world.
Googybhoy ye stretched the page …..
Use the link creator it’s easy, even I can use it :>)
V
phil’s got a point…
lionroars67 says:
20 November, 2011 at 09:55
Indeed at least that article calls both managers by their second names.
You.would think English would proof read his article and balance up his titles for both managers.
Then again maybe he did .his first version was “Super Ally McCOIST”
Buona Domenica tutti —-
Sunny / warm [ ish] —- after a night of heavy rain -way down south .
Finally found the time to watch yesterday’s game.
Celtic were very poor until they scored —– pedestrian . The goal seemed to give them confidence.e
Inverness were a disgrace —– cynical, crude , play the man not the ball stuff ..
Dreadful ” Officiating ” ——- Yet another example of Scottish Officials seemingly not knowing the rules of the game or simply choosing not to apply them . Disgusting .
Pitch was a joke too.
An away win -3 points 2 Points clawed back .
Off to Catania for Catania v Chievo ——— I have never seen Chievo .
Tom English in the Scotsman
“The incident that caused most fascination last season was not players kicking a ball, it was Lennon going for Ally McCoist on the touchline.”
I’m actually surprised it wasn’t “Lennon going for Ally”….or “Lennon going for Coisty”.
After reading his interrogation of the SPL , regarding “offensive chanting” , and accusing them of being embarrassed that it took UEFA stepping in before they acted , the reader could easily be led to believe that this is Mr English’ first season covering the SPL , and that he’s obviously just moved to these shores in the last fortnight.