The good news keeps coming today. A solid 0-2 win away to Inverness, the gap at the top of the league narrowing by two points, and issue 4 of CQN Magazine is now out! Out cover feature in this issue is an interview with Lisbon Lion, Willie Wallace. Willie lives in Australia but keeps in touch with events at Celtic through the internet.
Bobby Petta also speaks to us, recounting some of the great times he experienced as a Celtic player, as well as providing an introspective on the disappointing John Barnes season.
We cover some recent topical subjects, including policing of Scottish football, the perennial poppy and the financial crisis that has engulfed our game. Checkout the speech from 1941 by President Roosevelt on four essential human freedoms. At 60 pages it’s our biggest issue yet and stuffed full of great articles. Get stuck in…
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Just a joke! come on! Calm doon!
Imatim
I’ve got a couple of boney fingers ready to bounce/flounce him back to his seedy origins.
Noticed the fecker was still posting on Friday. Odious stuff. Suppose it’s understandable that it only takes a half-educated hun to deceive fholk. They are rare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVm8sj4nM24&feature=related
13mins -50secs in. My favourite line in a movie
Oíche mhaith a chairde
Mags,
I think most of us accept the right to free speech, and the right to coimplain about its’ effects.
You don’t need to hammer that point here.
For the past week, the debate has seen some of us defending the right to free speech no matter how “offensive” it is, against a swarm of individuals attacking what they called “IRA Songs”.
CAN’t WAIT FOR NEXT SUNDAY…..WHEN THE GAP IS DOWN TO 4 POINTS…..
I think I do. Celtic supporters got offended by huns sectarian singing and wanted something done about it. Should not have! Gives them the excuse to get rid of the GB or take Celtic supporters to jail for singing. Nothing wrong with singing IRA songs. Now you can end up in jail for it. Better left out at football grounds( in my opinion ) as most Celtic supporters thinks it brings trouble to Celtic. It has.
Its outrageous! Its fascism. We’ll be burning books next.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4JvgjyeJ3U&feature=player_detailpage#t=2s
result is pish
but the broomloan is the place to be when we score
Margret McGill,
The songs are illegal, the Celtic support never made them illegal.
I think more people got offended by the lack of action against them while the Celtic support are harassed by the polis and vilified by the meeja.
But much worse, the board joined in with the vilification and harassment.
People are angry but most still cant accept that betrayal.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
20 November, 2011 at 02:41
Absolutely agree!
2010 Never Again
If ever a man was clear with what his his agenda is….it’s this man. He doesn’t even try to disguise it.
He doesn’t even have the decency to call the Celtic manager by his full name but makes sure he does with the hun manager.
Tom English is a disgrace. The man has no integrity.
Please do not click the link below. It is there for authenticity purposes only.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/soft_on_sectarianism_not_us_say_spl_1_1975952?
Soft on sectarianism? Not us, say SPL
By Tom English
Published on Sunday 20 November 2011 10:30
Days after UEFA opened a case against Celtic over alleged ‘illicit chanting’, the SPL revealed it was investigating the club over similar incidents in a match against Hibs three weeks ago. So why the delay, Tom English asks SPL executives Neil Doncaster and Ian Blair
What took you so long to announce that you were investigating Celtic for IRA chanting at the Hibs match last month?
Iain Blair: The question wasn’t asked before. Somebody asked the question and we answered it.
You announced it three weeks after the event and a few days after UEFA announced their own investigation into offensive chanting at Parkhead. It looked like you were forced into going public. Embarrassed into it.
Neil Doncaster: What happened was that there was a report to the match delegate, the match delegate reported it to us and the SPL are investigating it. That is what happened, irrespective of what people would like to believe happened. We don’t routinely go out and inform the world that we’re carrying out an investigation into any of our clubs.
The SPL looked weak, though. It was a PR horror show. Why didn’t you announce that you were investigating it three weeks earlier?
IB: The risk is that you end up with an awful lot of energy being expended in dealing with something that is not the issue. The issue is what happened at Celtic Park, so the energy and focus needs to be expended on that. For us then to have this PR machine dealing with it, we could spend all day every day dealing with speculative questions from the media. What can we say? Yes, we are investigating the issue. You then have 15 different newspapers asking what are you doing about it. Is that the best use of our time?
It might create a bun-fight but it would send a message out there that you are on top of this. The perception is that the SPL is soft on sectarianism and soft on offensive chanting.
ND: That might be the perception out there. I accept that may be the perception. I don’t accept that it’s the reality at all. That’s a very unfair way of characterising it.
Have you launched other investigations into sectarian or offensive chanting?
IB: Yes.
This season? Last season?
IB: Both. There’s probably been something like 65 games so far this season and I haven’t checked but I imagine that there has probably been three or four different occasions where there have been reports coming through on events that happened at games. I’ll need to check and get back to you.
But nothing ever happens, does it? You are controlled by the clubs so nothing is ever going to happen.
IB: It depends on what you mean by nothing happens…
No announcement that you’re investigating, no detail of who or what you are investigating, nobody found guilty of anything. Ever. Despite the repeated evidence of our own ears.
IB: We don’t believe in strict liability. The SPL does not think that’s fair.
Strict liability. A club cannot be held responsible for the actions of its fans as long as the club is seen to be doing all that it reasonably can to tackle sectarianism and offensive chanting…
ND. Yes. We have had the debate around this table over many years with the clubs about whether it’s fair to hold a club to account for things that it cannot control. And we don’t think it’s right.
Our rules are all about seeing that a club is doing all that it practically can to avoid unacceptable conduct from its fans.
So if a club can show they are making a bit of an effort, nothing can happen to these clubs or these supporters? UEFA are rubbish but at least they’re trying to do something to change things.
ND: Our clubs need to do all that is possible. Other competitions may take a different approach, they may simply hold a club liable for the actions of its supporters within its stadium. That’s a very, very difficult route to go down. People like to see things in black and white but it’s not the way the world is. There is excellent work going on, particularly at Celtic and Rangers, as regards anti-sectarian education but unfortunately it’s not as newsworthy as negative stories.
IB: I remember Peter [Lawwell] telling me that himself and Martin [Bain] once went to a schools initiative about the two clubs coming together to go to schools to communicate an anti-sectarian message and they had generated some press interest but all the questions were about player contracts and nothing about the event itself. I don’t know how we change that.
ND: So to have a strict liability approach is not the right way forward. It’s unfair.
So UEFA is being unfair on Celtic? And has been unfair on Rangers in the past?
ND: It’s their competition and I don’t generally give out views on other competitions. They will have reasons for doing things the way they do.
But in this instance, to have strict liability to punish a club even though it has done everything that it reasonably could, I just think that’s wrong.
Ian, is UEFA wrong to pursue Celtic?
IB: Like Neil, I have a difficulty in seeing the justice in that absolute black and white approach that UEFA take. I don’t see that as justice. Sanctioning A for the actions of B when A has no control over B seems unjust.
Hang on, how does A have no control over B? A can say to B, you’ve been warned time and time again and you’re not coming in here anymore. Get lost…
IB: It can do, post hoc.
A has had loads of opportunities and A hasn’t bloody well done it.
ND: There is a good debate to be had about communication and the reality is that supporters are being banned by clubs who have identified unacceptable conduct. These things are occurring. I’m not sure we are as good at making that clear as we should.
Why would the SPL not announce it? Send a message out there…
ND: That’s for an individual club to do, but there is an appreciation around this table that we should perhaps be more on the front foot about communicating it when it does happen. But it does happen.
Since Celtic are in the dock right now, what about ringing Peter Lawwell and saying “Peter, elements of the Green Brigade are excellent and other elements are causing mayhem with IRA chanting, I would advise you to break them up and disperse them around the ground?”…
IB: I think Peter is reasonably clear on the issues surrounding the GB.
ND: The suggestion that any league tells its clubs how to manage its own supporters is way wide of the mark. I don’t know of any league in the world that believes that it has a role to do that. Our role is to apply the rules that the clubs agree. The rules can always improve, but we are here to apply them.
These rules are terribly open-ended. The loopholes are enormous.
IB: This is where the point made about communication earlier on is a fair one, because where the clubs can identify the perpetrators they do take action. That hasn’t been communicated as widely as it should be. Supporters are ejected and banned and perhaps that needs to be communicated better.
Is this embarrassing for the SPL?
ND: I’m not in the business of creating headlines. You’ll have to make your own judgment on the fairness of the situation. You’ll have to say it as you see it.
OK, fine. But is it embarrassing?
ND: That’s for other people to judge. We’re here to apply the rules of the competition without fear or favour.
Ian, is this embarrassing for the SPL?
IB: Any misbehaviour round and about football is something I would prefer not to see. I don’t think it adds to the experience. We need to continue to promote a positive match day experience, which doesn’t get reported.
Moving on, your picture is on the back page of the tabloids today.
ND: Flattering, as ever.
Clydesdale Bank are pulling out. Might the negativity of the stuff we’ve been talking about make your life harder in trying to find a new sponsor?
ND: You need to look at the global economic climate. People are suffering. There is a lack of money in the system. But the coverage the SPL gets is wall to wall. We broadcast into over 50 countries worldwide. The reality that any brand associated with the SPL gets great brand value.
But what about the notoriety of some facets of the league. Is there no such thing as bad publicity?
ND: Those are your words.
Give me your words then.
ND: The SPL is renowned worldwide for passion and drama and excitement. That is how it is known.
Passion is a euphemism.
ND: Passion is passion and that passion results in tremendously exciting, tense, competitive, combative games.
The incident that caused most fascination last season was not players kicking a ball, it was Lennon going for Ally McCoist on the touchline.
ND: Sure.
So it’s not the football that fascinates, it’s the controversy, the poison…
ND: You’re trying to characterise things in black and white again. That’s not the way the world is.
OK Neil, it’s been a grim week, so let’s end with a positive. Why will you get a new sponsor for this league?
ND: The SPL is about passion, drama and excitement, that is the way it is viewed and enjoyed around the world. There is a global economic slowdown, yes, but we have viewing numbers that are up year on year, we have phenomenal exposure. Attendances last year were only two per cent down which is holding up very well in the teeth of an economic slowdown. We have a good news story.
Mags @ 02:25
Thre’s a vaild point there…but… we all might complain about their songs of hate (illegal ones at that)…
The argument you are putting forward is the exact same as Britney. That it’s our own fault we’re being targeted as we had the cheek to complain about their songs of hate,
OR
How dare we complain about their songs of hate while we chant in support of the Ra.
I totally agree with your approach to this re free speech; just asking you be careful not to tell the Celtic Support that it’s their own fault things are where they are now.
However, remember Scotland is a bigoted cesspit. I dont care what the animals say only what they do. Nothing is done about what they do. There are no boundaries for hunnery in Scotland.
Its a slow train cash as P67 alluded to earlier this week.
What can you do? Nothing.
The police wont help nor the judiciary nor the politicians. Dont go that route.
Its gonna end in a skelped Tim arse unless you want to resort to revolution.
Forget it. Just beat them on the park and, in my opinion, the Celtic
Bored have been complicit in not doing that. Worst hun team for 50 years.
On the verge of administration, nay liquidation, and they are on the verge of 4iar.
Nothing short of parasitical betrayal of historic proportions.
Imatim
Understand the importance of you sharing that amigo, but to be honest, I gave up after 5 lines – can NOT be arsed reading that tonight. It’s like reading one of Bouncyboy’s posts 10 times and not being able to respond or worse, reading fholk agreeing with him.
Margaret McGill @ 03:03
Yep, just keep chucking money at the problem.
Fortunes Favour Mibbes says:
20 November, 2011 at 02:15
Imatim
I’ve got a couple of boney fingers ready to bounce/flounce him back to his seedy origins.
Noticed the fecker was still posting on Friday. Odious stuff. Suppose it’s understandable that it only takes a half-educated hun to deceive fholk. They are rare.
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2010 Never Again
This one has all the hallmarks of being a disciple of Jack Irvine. Although he’s not too bright.
I got a good laugh the other day when he named me one of his 3 least favourite people on here. Happy days!
Hi CQN Nightshift.
Just popped in to say…….education seems to be a thorny issue in the west of Scotland.
So, with that in mind I would like to put forward the following proposal…….
Why don’t Celtic FC invite, Christine Graham, Alex Salmond, Campbell Corrigan and, Eddie Smith to a film night at CP.
Gather the guest’s in the Jock Stein Lounge and, ask them to observe and, digest in a cool calm and, collective manner the two films : Michael Collins and, The wind that shakes the barley.
Hopefully after watching these two films, the assembled quests would at long last, begin to realise where the Celtic fans have been coming from for the last 100 years ?
Hail! Hail!
Fortunes Favour Mibbes says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:06
Imatim
Understand the importance of you sharing that amigo, but to be honest, I gave up after 5 lines – can NOT be arsed reading that tonight. It’s like reading one of Bouncyboy’s posts 10 times and not being able to respond or worse, reading fholk agreeing with him.
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2010 Never Again
Sorry for that my friend.
To me it shows what we are up against…..let their be no doubt about their agenda.
We need to close ranks and unite for the fight…..that’s why the trolls are on here….to make sure we don’t
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
20 November, 2011 at 02:56
Thanks or that…
“Lennon going for Ally McCoist on the touchline” eh?
spin spin spin
Imatim @ 03:10
Keep up the fight, It’s using the law of averages…..ie. keep posting and the nominer becomes accepted.
Odious individual imo. A feckin traynor and a half.
KevJungle
Well said Amigo. But they wouldn’t attend, eh.
They’d rather watch Dog Soldiers to see how the Dark Ops operate.
Margaret. I don’t think the board have been complicint , I just think incompetent
We have a crook CEO who large wage relies on zero debt, not trophies
His McGeady money lie proved he used McGeady to put 5m against our debt and keep his targets and large salary
And to h@ll with the the fans and manager
KevJungle – Put the Green Brigade into a new JUNGLE says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:14
Wind that shakes the barley-loved that movie
If Celtic were a democratic nation I still think the bored could be executed for treason!
Discuss.
2010 Never Again
First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
SydneyTim says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:24
He’s a billionaire!!!!..Whytes a thousandaire..come on
Imatim…,
“a few days after UEFA announced their own investigation into offensive chanting at Parkhead.”
Did UEFA announce any investigation ?????
I thought it was the strathclyd polis communications department ???
revisionism s soon ?
and Romanov is a frigidaire
Imatim @ 03:16
What you apologising for?? My complaint is solely at the “creator” of said odious diatribe:) Uhuhuhuhuhuh.
Jabba Donut Hell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZcZ2h4Ths&feature=related
SydneyTim says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:24
SydneyTim..sorry..thought you were referring to the Donut.. as for Lawwell..yes you are correct..what am I Like? Apologies
Fortunes Favour Mibbes says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:21
Imatim @ 03:10
Keep up the fight, It’s using the law of averages…..ie. keep posting and the nominer becomes accepted.
Odious individual imo. A feckin traynor and a half.
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2010 Never Again
Tiocfaidh ár Lá
Is Dermot Desmond, an investor of no small amount of money, a target for the disappointmen of Celtic Supporters.
Or should we be focusing more on the Scottish Establishment – especially after even the Scottish Legal Est. & the Polis have revealed their true colours in recent weeks.
Should we really be targetting ourselves and dividing our entity while every legally established body in Scotland is attacking us.
And the meeja.
Margaret McGill says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:24
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Hi Margaret.
I would just like to say that, I fear we are heading for a stand-off situation with the bored and, that is the last thing Neil and his lions need at this time.
Neil is in a situation were, if he agrees with the Green Brigade…he’ll be branded a terrorist supporter ?
If Neil backs the bored(who employ him), the likelihood is, he’ll be able to disappear into the background until, the storm blows over ?
I wouldn’t rule out Neil telling the bored to, keep their false flag flying high but, that he can’t operate under it, leaving the door open for the fans to activate a, stand-off situation ?
Hail! Hail!
Margaret McGill says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:17
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
20 November, 2011 at 02:56
Thanks or that…
“Lennon going for Ally McCoist on the touchline” eh?
spin spin spin
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2010 Never Again
No probs Mags
Fortunes Favour Mibbes says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:24
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They probably wouldn’t attend but, the Green Brigade MUST stand strong!
Nice to talk AMIGO!
Hail! Hail!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:27
Imatim…,
“a few days after UEFA announced their own investigation into offensive chanting at Parkhead.”
Did UEFA announce any investigation ?????
I thought it was the strathclyd polis communications department ???
revisionism s soon ?
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2010 Never Again
Reformation-ism methinks
Q. What is the capital of Greece?
A. About £2.50
KevJungle – Put the Green Brigade into a new JUNGLE says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:37
Yup..I see what you are saying..usual Celtic predicament..damned if you do…damned if you dont!
Margaret McGill says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:43
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I never thought I would say these words but, over the last week…Michael Kelly is the ONE who has fought the Celtic fans corner and, he did well!
Fair play and, well done to Michael Kelly!
Hail! Hail!
Bob Ag says:
20 November, 2011 at 03:43
LOL!
If all the nations in the world are in debt, where did all the money go? .