Celtic will play Juventus in the last 16 round of the Champions League. Juve are seven points clear top of the Italian league having won the competition last season without losing a game. They eliminated reigning European champions, Chelsea, in the last round and finished above a good Shakthar team.
They are remarkably well organised and don’t lose many goals (10 in 17 league games, 7 less than anyone else), but this is a tie Celtic can plan for. Juventus will present the same kind of challenge Barcelona did in the group stage, but they are not as effective as the Catalans.
Celtic have faced them twice in the European Cup/Champions League previously, winning both home games and losing away on each occasions, controversially in 2001.
I’m up for this one. Fairy-tale story with the lovable Celts the only British representatives in the quarter finals? Loins girded.
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Dontbrattbakkinanger
14:57 on
20 December, 2012
vogue punter- that’s a bit buteophobic.
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DBBIA, you got me ,looked it up,still none the wiser:O)
There are football fans who follow their teams for decades and for whom Europe is a once in a lifetime experience. If ever.
And we grumble about “after Christmas, New Year.”
Three cheers for being where we are.
One for the team, one for Neil&co. and the third for the fans.
Marrakesh thanks for that wee addition to The Celtic Story.
VP -buzzards [buteo buteo] belong to the genus Buteo.
The hobby[Falco Subbuteo], which gives the game its name, belongs to the genus Falco.
Sevconians belong to the genus Scrofulo.
My Bhoy has just asked me to take him to Turin as it is his birthday on the 6th March.
Decisions Decisions Decisions.
Oh and by the way he is not a child he will be 25 chancer.
HH
lifted this of TFSM
Everyone has the absolute right to make their own choices.
I have not attended a game this session and given up my subscription to SKY. That is my choice. My team has had a remarkably successful European campaign which I have refused to support and will continue so to do.
This does come at a degree of emotional cost and disagreement with many in my family. Has it made a difference? Probably not. It may well be self seeking or self serving – my brothers and my dad – I imagine, think so – but for me personally I can’t support the game in any way – hence no tops and merchandising for my kids – no buying any newspapers.
Season ticket sales at Celtic Park are down substantially – hidden by the European success. . I suspect that if this situation with The Rangers continues as it does and we see the LNS enquiry subverted – then regardless of how successful Neil and the team continue to be, we can see another significant drop off next season.
Some think Celtic have played a blinder on all of this – they have actually taken a craven path of least resistance at all times and by not stating anything of consequence, they have, by omission, been complicit in all of this. They are indeed only one club, but I suspect that had they been more forceful over this then others would have followed and we would not be in the moral miasma we are in today. There were clear unambiguous rules to deal with clubs which failed – these were deliberately not followed causing catastrophic – I suspect fatal – damage to the game.
I suspect the true reason for non publication of the 5 way agreement is that it will reveal that the SFA/SFL and SPL acted beyond their powers and the whole licence trandsfer was actually ultra vires and thus illegitimate. CG knows this – and he knows that if it is ever revealed then together with The Rangers down go the three governing bodies themselves. He has cleverly tied them all in his own web.
i happen to think this is the truth.
Buteophobia
An irrational fear of Rothesay
mighty tim does he expect a lift over? :-)
jinkyredstar cuts it back for Neil Lennon @15:13 jokes “Buteophobia, An irrational fear of Rothesay” – very good.
or a perfectly rational one, some might say
Jinkyredstar- as opposed to Juteophobia, an irrational fear of Dundee.
Dbbia
Many thanks,will bring it up in pub.hh
Vmhan – your stats are incorrect as there was not a 1 in 8 chance of Celtic drawing Juventus. For example, Barcelona could not draw either Madrid or Celtic so the chance of them getting one of the other teams was 1in 5 i.e 4/1. Similarly ManU could not draw Arsenal nor Galatasaray – when those factors are taken into account it increases the probability that Celtic would draw certain teams – I reckon the probability of it happening twice were 24/1. Difficult, but not impossible.
Ntassoolla the size of him he could lift me over. I am considering taking him as a wee surprise as the good lady has just called to say that some of the staff at her workplace are thinking of chartering a plane and want to know if I would go. Would suit me as they need to be back to educate the young the next morning.
HH
Rubicon-Scottish Cup ?
danso_1888
15:12 on 20 December, 2012
The fact that the Celtic Board are not prepared to rule out a joint sponsorship deal with the huns speaks volumes.
VP- yes, use it if some misguided soul insists on drinking Kestrel.
asonofdan
14:30 on 20 December, 2012
I don’t think any Corporate Investor actually paid one penny towards shares on Tuesday. The big con goes on, and greengo is trying to struggle on to gradually build up a ‘pot’ he can raid, and then leave……is there anyone who can check if any of the £17m was actually handed over, or simply pledged..?
bada bing, Yes, that could be it.
I just found out that Wham Bars are not affiliated with the band. (thumbsup)
ernie lynch,
would make sense of why charles green says what he likes
knowing he will not get pulled up for it.
MT go for it.
I’ve been contacted re a week’s skiing, aka visits to the fracture clinic. About twice the cost the cost of the short trip.
I sat up last night watching The Exorcist
I don’t know what possessed me.
Phylis Dietrichson
In my view the odds of us drawing Juve were 7 to 1.
II do not understand how the odds increase (or decrease) based on the dummy run draw. To my mind they remain 7:1.
However, if you are determining the odds of getting Juve twice when only two draws are made, I believe the odds would be 49 to 1
The odds of getting any team drawn twice would be 42 to 1.
The odds of getting Juve in any one draw only, of the 2 made, would be less than 4 to 1
However, I still believe that the true odds of getting Juve in the official draw remains 7 to 1 since being drawn against them in a dummy draw neither raises nor reduces the chances of them being the ball picked, from 7 available, in the next draw.
I remember being told that this was something called the “Gambler’s Fallacy” in a first year statistics lecture.
This is what happens when you dont invest in your football club…
Sevco chief executive Charles Green has said that the club are committed to investigating the sale of the Ibrox naming rights and are on the brink of a sponsorship deal, despite fears of a supporters’ backlash. Green has confirmed that significant progress has been made regarding the sale of the naming rights
sftb,
1 in 7, not 7 to 1 ( as we couldn’t draw Barce). Actually it was slightly more likely than that due to other combinations of other teams being disallowed.
The two draws were what statisticians call mutually exclusive probability events, and so you’re right to say that the practice draw had no impact on the real thing.
It’s the old one where a coin is tossed 100 times and comes down heads every time. What’s the odds of the next time being a head? Still 1 in 2 as the previous tosses have no impact on the next one.
phyllis dietrichson
15:17 on 20 December, 2012
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Your correct,
The odds are significantly reduced due to the restrictions you’ve mentioned, I was too lazy to take all those into account and only wanted to illustrate that the same draw was made 2 days in a row, I smell cheating.
V
danso_1888
many parallels were drawn between the fans season ticket revolt in Scotland and the Arab Spring in that people forced change in defiance of authority.
Sadly, if you look at many of the countries affected by the Arab Spring, the authorities are fairly adept at keeping a low profile and then gradually reverting back to type – and the same is true with the SFA.
The mistake that the fans made last summer was in focusing all of our ire on Sevco and the cosy stitch-up in place – problem is that we won that battle but not the war.
I think that the next battle is looming soon with regards to league reconstsruction and Sevco accomodation – and when it happens, fans across Scotland must unite in a common purpose to get rid of the SFA once and for all and replace them with a new national body that is fit for purpose – led by people of integrity like Turnbull Hutton or the guys at the likes of Clyde and Morton who stood up for themselves without fear or favour. If change for the long term is not put in place a.s.a.p. starting with a new governing body , our game will gradually die.
I reckon if we can get Lubo fit for the home game we should do it…
Modren mutually exclusive probability events is rubbish.
Nice language from STV’s fav.. Servco fan !
Today, 15:36
The_Gub
FF Legend Join Date: 28-07-2006
Posts: 21,928
Re: No Surrender, Union Bears
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So they were breaking the rules?
And I guess it wasn’t just a no I am not sitting down. Whether you agree with it or not them the rules much like the people who still think it is acceptable to sing certain songs whether you believe it is right that doesn’t matter.
Let’s just slag a darkie. You won’t get any grief.
PS, can you tell me how you can be up to yer knees in fenian blood?
tallybhoy
will you be about when BMCUWP is home ?
setting free – you haven’t taken into account the probabilities for the other teams. For example Madrid could not have drawn Barcelona, Malaga or Dortmund giving them a 1 in 4 chance of drawing Man Utd i.e 3/1. Also our chances of drawing Juve were 1in 6 as we could not have drawn Barcelona – a 1 in 6 probability is 5/1 in betting odds.
This paragraph is from the match report when we beat Meelan a few years back (Big Mick and Skippy)
“The foul count continued to grow at a bewildering rate and the normally noisy Celtic Park was muted with frustration at the wretched stop-start nature of the match.”
More of the same with Juve I expect.
Btw, Pirlo played for Meelan that night. Nearly scored a free kick I memory serves.
danso_1888
I agree with your last paragraph…..that is also the reason that Green gets away with spouting crap on a daily basis…he knows the governing bodies won’t challenge him because of the damage he could wreak
How’s Challs getting on with that kit deal with Puma/adidas/Nike ºdelete as appropriate
Gordon J
“1 in 7, not 7 to 1 ( as we couldn’t draw Barce). Actually it was slightly more likely than that due to other combinations of other teams being disallowed.”
I accept your first point ie. 1 in 7 is the way to express the probability which I think is expressed as 6 to 1 in betting odds (6 non-winning chances to 1 winning chance amongst 7 probabilities).
However I do not think your second point qualifies. The chances of Celtic being drawn against Juve were 1 in 7. The chances of Juve drawing Celtic were 1 in 6, as they could not get Shaktar (previous group opponents) or AC (fellow Italians).
However Juve’s 1 in 6 chance of drawing Celtic does not affect the odds of Celtic drawing Juve which remain 1 in 7, as Barca was our only Top Pot exclusion.
The chances of their being a Juve:Celtic tie in the draw becomes the lower figure of 1 in 6 but the chances of Celtic drawing Juve were 1 in 7. The language used is important in determining the odds.
These odds apply prior to the draw being made. They drop by 1, to 1 in 6 and 1 in 5 respectively. when the Galatasary/Schalke tie was out of the hat before us.
I dont know who the author is but he is marking CG’s cards already.
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/tony-yorke/10561-tis-the-season-for-rangers-folly.php#.UNMggYmLLL5vv
Tim Malone Will Tell
We must have two aims in my opinion.
1. Make sporting integrity paramount over all other considerations and have that written into the SFA’s raison d’ertre or mission statement when they get around to one.
2. Put folk of integrity like Turnbull Hutton in charge.
Lots of other demands too but these two are key for me as everything else would flow from them.
Boring share talk
Judging by today’s action whereby around £170k of RFC (that’s the official ticker) shares have been sold and about £7.70 bought, which has seen the price on the day rise, they will plummet like a stone once Cenkos have fulfilled their duties.