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Ps Nye, a significant reason for that is of course the loss of Denayer and VVD.
Hamiltontim……..imho it would be folly to allow him
another euro campaign,think we should act now and
give someone else time to bed in before the qualifiers
next season.
Just been reading back,about as painful as watching the game!
Still,it gives me an excuse to post this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UGD7AazMI
Tin Hatton
I think we were really unlucky
Losing Scott Brown pre match – Jozo injured after 5 mins .
2 goals knocked off in first 12 mins that I see given often
Goalie spills a couple and the ball breaks in their favour
KC injury at half time
Tyler blackout in favour of Efe – i feel ronny caved into the bad press Efe gets and bet he really regrets that now
As everyone has said – the one bright light was keiron Tierney – have we actually developed a real left back
Remember bhoys – 128 years ago we were founded and lived within our means. I hope it continues for another 128
Chin up bhoys and ghirls
MoneyBollocks
Minty
SFA
Tragic…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8VGQTtENSs
TBJ
I said the last time Blackett played at centre-half that he coudnae head the ball five yards.
That cost us the first goal. I’m not making him a scapegoat because his was only another dreadful performance in a team full of them.
Good morning CQN
Congrats to Molde last night, the better team won no question, Molde were well organised, disciplined, athletic, top class fitness levels, team balanced, ruthless………………..etc etc…………… all that Celtic were not
Disappointing result last night but not surprising given our recent form and performances in Europe, bottom of a Europa group………………..were does Ronny go from here ?
Interesting article in Mail………………………..do the the SPFL chiefs have the sporting integrity cojones
SPFL chiefs will host an emergency Hampden summit on Friday to discuss the fall-out from the Rangers EBT ruling.
On Wednesday, three judges at the Court of Session decided the Ibrox oldco had used Employee Benefit Trusts to make millions of pounds of tax-free payments to former players and staff.
The ruling prompted fresh calls from opposition fans for Rangers to be stripped of titles won while the EBT scheme was in operation between 2001 and 2010.
Rangers insist there is ‘no question’ of ‘its history’ being affected by the court ruling while SPFL office bearers believe that, despite Lord Drummond Young ruling it was ‘common sense’ that the payments should have been ‘assessable to income tax’, they are powerless to strip titles.
Nevertheless, the SPFL’s nine-man board have brought forward a meeting originally planned for November 25 to gather full details and consider whether sporting sanctions against the oldco are either justified or workable under existing rules.
Last November, however, Championship side Livingston were fined £10,000 and docked five points for failing to pay PAYE and National Insurance on undeclared payments to players, with SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster saying then: ‘The tax default and reporting rules are an integral part of maintaining a fair league competition.’
SPFL sources insist the two situations differ because Livingston’s fine was imposed under new, tighter rules introduced when former Rangers owner Craig Whyte was charged by the Scottish FA with *knowingly* failing to pay any tax at all.
Those rules were *not* in place when Rangers oldco operated an Employee Benefits Trust scheme they were advised was legitimate. The Murray Group, who operated the scheme across their companies, argued that they never believed they were liable for tax.
In contrast, Livingston’s rule breaches were found to be deliberate and prompted a points deduction.
The SPFL also believe their hands could be tied up for months while the appeal process is exhausted.
The Murray Group or liquidators BDO have 28 days to seek leave of appeal to the Supreme Court.
The appeal would then need to be heard, a process which could take up to a year – during which time the league would be unable to prejudge the issue.
Having had the time to reflect over the evening… I am glad I played fives rather than watch it… Not done that before and I think it was because I felt the result was predictable and seems it was. Ronnie is clearly a very good man manager and motivator for developing talent, and I am convinced he will one day be a good manager, but why is he developing with Celtic? Not at the races for me in Europe, against teams he knows intimately as well. Step back for him and bring in some experience. And by the way all this talk of the Snr players not buying his ethos is pish. The young players who look lost in many a game, are they just rubbish? Nah, every footballer wants to win and play well…. It’s the nature of the game. On the pitch there is no revolt just poor / naive tactics without a plan B. (There are exceptions ie Taylor at Aberdeen… But that is exceptional circumstances!)
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Celtic v UMF Stjarnan – UEFA Champions League Second Qualifying Round First LegCeltic fans looked on in despair tonight as their side lost 2-1 at home to Molde.
The fall out from the 3-1 defeat in Norway last month was dramatic with more criticism bound to follow on after a another dis-spiriting display in which Kieran Tierney was the only player to earn pass marks.
Although it is possible for Celtic to qualify from Group A no one will be kidded that the team is progressing after back-to-back defeats from the side currently sitting in sixth place in the Norwegian League.
For the sixth successive European match Celtic lost two goals with tonight’s action a re-run of a depressingly familiar movie.
Ronny Deila has only lost one domestic match of note, the highly controversial Scottish Cup semi-final defeat to Inverness Caley Thistle, but his European record makes for grim reading.
Last season’s double defeats to Legia Warsaw and Maribor were more or less accepted by a support hopeful of a new direction that would see the club competing meaningfully in the Champions League group stage rather than making up the numbers.
Deila’s wishes have been embraced by the support, a younger, fitter, leaner squad that sacrificed a striker to accommodate a 4-2-3-1 system with the emphasis firmly on the midfielders.
After the defensive collapse against Malmo cost the club a place in the Champions League the concerns from a year ago escalated with Virgil van Dijk departing for Southampton in the aftermath.
Jozo Simunovic, Tyler Blackett, Dedryck Boyata and Efe Ambrose have all been tried in the bid to find a settled defence but regardless of the personnel the flow of goals lost have continued with Craig Gordon’s form taking a dip.
Losing 2-1 at half-time the team was booed off the pitch, within a minute of the restart Blackett and substitute James Forrest has misplaced passes as the first half nerves returned.
There was a growing desperation about Celtic’s play in the second half against well drilled opponents who knew exactly what they were doing as they soaked up Celtic’s possession before breaking with menace and purpose.
At the slightest sign of threatening the Molde goal the vocal support was increased with headers from Mickel Lustig and Nir Bitton coming close to finding the net on the hour mark.
Any flicker of hope that something could be salvaged from the game died when Bitton was red carded with the Israeli moved back into defence after substitute Blackett was replaced by Nadir Ciftci.
Bitton and Stefan Johansen will be suspended for the match against Ajax but much bigger questions will be asked before Celtic face the Dutch side who have also failed to win any of their first four group matches.
As the final whistle blew there was a silent resignation among the home supporters left in the stadium as they applauded the Norwegian side whose competence had outsmarted Celtic twice in a fortnight
Read more at http://videocelts.com/2015/11/blogs/no-defence-celtic-fans-dismayed-at-another-european-nightmare#qztAHYSswraIFl6A.99
LIONROARS67
Will Murray personally cough up the money to appeal this? It might be in his interests to do so.
If he does,and wins,he will be vindicated.
If he doesn’t,he is due the taxman £6.3m,and may well face criminal charges over his part in the scam. Same as if he loses any further appeal.
Quel dommage…
Good 9?) morning friends from a suitably bleak looking damp and breezy East Kilbride.
So, we now only have to beat Ajax and then Fenerbahce…….?
Only consolation – it’s still in our own hands.
Grrrrrrrrrrr
Anyone who has been inside Hampden Park and witnessed where the masses sit and where the officials do business understands EXACTLY what is wrong with Scottish Fitba….
it is there for all to see in Concrete distance and Marble importance.
A Paradigm that Celtic, I believe, are party to and subscribe to.
The last few hours have been painful, but the last few years have been ripping the pish…..
Throw in the self serving media and its a cocktail of perpetual decline.
Scottish Football is now a joke.
And we are all culpable….
Cold light of day…
Still sick.
Will not enjoy work.
Thanks Ronny,
How many times do we have to endure this?
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 6th November 2015 7:25 am –
Couldnt give a T*** about Murray mate, if we lived in Iceland he would be in jail with his corrupt banking friends
IMO the Friday meeting is huge for Scottish football, i hope the SPFL board decide to have a look at ALL the evidence surrounding Murrays reign during the EBT years and set the record straight on cheating, the titles won due to cheating need to be declared void…………………thats a good start
The more things change….The more they remain the same…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqONIae60E
Mike Ashley joins Rangers chairman Dave King in the retail division boardroom
Billionaire Mike Ashley has taken an even tighter grip on Rangers retail division and now shares a places on the board with club chairman Dave King.
It has been confirmed that the Sports Direct founder has now joined the board of Rangers Retail, giving him an even stronger hold on the operation – despite attempts to renegotiate the deal.
The Newcastle owner had already been the ultimate controlling party of the division but now his people outnumber King’s by three to two.
I said after the Malmo game we are now the level of a mid table English Championship side, a Sheffield Wednesday, Wolves, Leeds.
All would win the SPL and I doubt they’d lose to Molde twice in the manner we did.
I’ve backed Ronny, sometimes heatedly against my old man, who never rated him from day one, but we’re not even standing still now, we’re deteriorating. Results in Europe are the barometer, not Scotland. Sorry Ronny, nice guy but it’s not working.
Does PL carry some of the blame?
I’d say so.
I like Ronny. I also enjoy listening to him. I like his football philosophy.
However, it is not apparent that he is able or capable of putting that philosophy into practice. Whether that is because he hasn’t the support of the dressing room, I don’t know.
I wasn’t a advocate of his appointment.
Should we cut our losses with him? He’s on the cheap so financial losses wouldn’t be much. It would be another turnaround in management team with all the unknowns that brings. Anyone brought in would again be on the cheap without a budget to significantly change things.
Rock and a hard place for fans.
Peter the bonus collector will on balance make decision on his ability to profitise club and collect another bonus.
So I’m unsure.
Hope that helps!
Didn’t make or see game last night for personal reasons.
MWD PTCD (Post Traumatic Celtic Disorder)
Marrakesh Express so you think that Ajax and Fenerbache , how much did they spend, are an English third division team too. Looking at the euro leagues it’s going to be packed with failures. I expected plenty of hurting if we didn’t win, expected those who have lost faith in Ronny to use a big stick and I expected a lot of abuse to head in our players direction . I have not been disappointed, except with the result.
Says it all, really …. (From Phil’s blog)
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Hibees going up
November 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Rangers/ sevco has an organised network of former players, managers, directors, newspaper men, TV and radio presenters and pundits. They also have stooges in SPFL AND SFA. They use this to bend truths and massage perception to the benefit of the club at every turn. Even to talk down cheating over 12 years. Corrupting the SPL. They are a dirty people as dirty as the titles they wish to keep.
Honest people need to step forth to protect integrity and the truth. There needs to be many to overcome the mafia machine above.
The Judges have judged Rangers/ Sevco as cheats.
Willie Miller will get my hand shake and a drink if I ever meet him.
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Taurangabhoy
Spot on …. The booing last night was disgusting …. I wonder how many of the ‘booers’ are regular attenders at Celtic home games ….. The media agenda was the winner last night
A couple of months ago I stated that imo Lawwell and Desmond had ripped the heart and soul from the club to the extent where I no longer felt an emotional attachment to the team (after 50 odd years). I haven’t watched a single match since until last night when had a couple of hours to spare before my five a side match. I lasted as long as 70 minutes and turned it ioff when my eyes started to bleed. Jeezo, it’s even worse than I imagined.
Predictably, there are increasing calls for the manager to go when the real problem lies much higher up the food chain. It will continue to get worse until real change takes place in the boardroom. The only way of doing that is deny Lawwell and Desmond your green pound. Simples. Back to occasional lurk.
Not feeling so Gooood a Morning for us Celtic supporters
Might be that we are 128years old today :-)
Think then we need a drastic change in strategy
No more Park/ Lawell pack or committee picking players
(Look how it’s working at Liverpool)
And time for a professional Manager and set up
Not a Norwegian apprentice
Still pig sick at how quickly our decline is heading with these 3 instrumental is in what we are seeing
And I don’t want to hear it’s the only way
We have a £35m football budget
It is being managed horrendously
I personally think it would improve with an experienced Manager
Offf ooot away to work in a bad mood :-)
Morning all.
Dismal down here: just like my mood. What disappointed me most (besides the predictable over the top nonsense on here last night) was the lack of fight. We had no leadership on the park and only 1 player who gave his all: young Tierney.
The SMSM have done their job. They promoted the notion that our manager’s future depends on our European results. Now, I gather the back pages are full of it. Takes attention away from the deid team who cheated Scottish football for years and years.
Mwd
irrespective of where the blame lies, it’ll be RDs head that’ll go.
Pedro won’t. The players leaving are too costly.
And in a way, the renewal of contracts, for example Commons’, was a managerial decision that was poor and weak.
That rift, created way back in the changeover last summer, never healed. It’s simmered away, boiling over at points, the Legia capitulation and Commons’ hissy.
Six successive European games where we’ve lost two or more goals. It’s not really rocket science to identify the problem. We are a shambles in central defence. Whatever combination we choose, and we have five to choose from, we always look likely to lose goals, even domestically. A good manager resolves that. He can’t go into transfer window, so rather than send them out time and again to play the same system, the same tactics that are failing so spectacularly, changes need to be made to either protect or bolster the central defence. Whether that’s three central defenders or a defensive midfielder (not Brown or Johansen pretending to be one) who plays in front of the two, or get at least one of our full backs to play a bit deeper rather than Malraux forward beyond the midfield, surely our coaching team can see this and should be addressing it.
Coming out in interviews and saying ‘not good enough’, ‘individual errors’, ‘working hard to cut out mistakes’ or ‘development’ (a catchword for crap but we’ll try to get better) is not good enough anymore. We’re sick of listening to the same lame, tired excuses over and over again.
Parkhead cum Salford
Forget about the media.
Ronny is not good enough to manage celtic.
Are you suggesting that because of their anti celtic agenda the media have campaigned to have ronny removed?
Results on the pitch are all that counts. No amount of biased reporting can affect what happens on the pitch
GORDON64 on 5TH NOVEMBER 2015 10:55 PM
CQN quiet tonight. Unlike the usual deluge of posts when we win.
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You’re like a broken down record. Time to get a new song.
Sopredictable CSC
I said after the first game against Molde,Ronny won the league in Norway ,he knows how to beat the opposition,the only difference is that he does not have the same players.
Law well and his sidekick Park should be shown the door this morning.
I could go on about players that should not be at Celtic but we have covered that ground for months,our biggest rivals in the league are full of free transfer players who couldn’t get a game at lower league level in England.
Happy Birthday Celtic.
Ronny, your text is waiting. Time to move on. It simply didn’t work
The injury to Simunovic clearly hampered us. From where I was sitting, it looking a cynical and deliberate attempt to debilitate him.
Once he left, we fell apart defensively. Tyler Blackett looks – and I don’t use this word lightly – rubbish. Was he genuinely the best CB we could identify in the summer? I think there might be a player in Boyatta, but he is no coming out to play at the moment…
In midfield, the loss of Brown deprived the team of bite and organisation. Our midfield slalomed all over the place, chasing ghosts, missing tackles, and leaving gaping holes which they exploited with simple balls into space. it was absolutely excruciating to watch.
Where is Scott Allan? Gary McKay Stevens?
Johanssen -I don’t think I have ever seen a player decline so swiftly. From potential EPL star to a whiny primadonna in six short months.
Up front, if Griffiths isn’t on form we have no-one. Commons is unreliable (and aging), and Cifti looks totally lost.
Only 2 bright spots for me last night. The Green Brigade, whose support of the team was exemplary, and young Kieran Tiernay, the only man (boy?) out there who looked like he knows what it means to play for Celtic.
As for Ronny and his coaching team… I like the guy, but we are going backwards. Our European standing is back to where it was pre-MON. Is this down to him alone, or are there structural problems at the club which need addressed urgently?
IMHO, we cannot expect to progress if we sell our best players every year. Simple as that. Nice idea on paper, but corrosive for the growth of the club. If that strategy is Peter Lawwell’s, he should consider changing it, or resigning.
If the strategy is Desmond’s, he needs to move aside before he becomes as damaging to our club as Murray was (for different reasons) to the Zombies.
I agree completely with HT @6:49 and with the comments about the booing. It’s what I notice mainly from where I sit in the main stand, that the folk around us are so negative and quick to get on the players backs. – what got me about last night was how early in the game this happened and there were even some boos at halftime.
This isn’t what we are about and all that happens is we lower ourselves to the level of others.
Tin hat time – my gut feeling is to leave RD in place – I think the guy is so passionate in his desire for Celtic to progress, that I’m hoping last night will be a huge wake up call.
But hey, what do ghirls like me know??!!
HH and still lovin my club and its 128 year’s of unbroken history
Text = taxi
Parkheadcumsalford
I do not buy or read any of the MSM, I get my news on here
I do watch the 128 year old Celtic though :-)
And what I am watching is 95% of the time not enjoyable, under Ronny
That’s a personal opinion
Disasterous in Europe, against teams we should be beating
Molde did not impress me last night, they just played into our poor system
Hail Hail
128 years old, a bit sick at present but very much alive and well set for another 128 years.
Last night was a shambles, I can get over a bad result even a bad European campaign. The worry is that we have bought a clutch of players on 3 & 4 yr contracts and they are not performing. If they don’t shape up we have a bloated expensive squad, with very little room for further investment. Ronny does not inspire confidence on the European stage and Collins & Kennedy seem to be adding the sum total of zero.
I’m ooofff ooott, I just have had enough, well for a couple of hours at least.
There are clearly problems at Celtic. And it’s not just on the pitch. It’s structural,right across the board.
We appear to have a board which is unaccountable to the fans,led by a man whose every action seems to be rubber-stamped by the rest of a board which is happy to have its decisions made for it.
We have a manager seemingly appointed on a whim when the previous-successful!-incumbent walked out when his trusty lieutenant was sacked. A good man,with good ideas. But he has to play the cards he is dealt.
And the cards he has are missing the aces.
He can only play the cards in his hand,he can only pick a team from the players provided to him. His standing is not strong enough to rebel against that.
Even when he picks the team,some players don’t seem to be too interested in their manager’s future.
This is a shambles.
Ronny needs to take a look at himself and ask if he is mentally tough enough to make decisions which could see him fired.
The players need to look at the stands,full of the fans they profess to love playing for,and raise their professionalism.
The board need to question the rigidity of a strategy which is heading for a brick wall,and PL needs to stop micromanaging,especially in areas where he has no knowledge or experience.
Otherwise the slow lane will be a dream. We’re on a dead-end street.
Sftb I take it that you were being ironic by offering to give £1k to charity if I could find a post that proclaimed you were a better supporter than anyone else. HH
Just a quick note before work consumes me as ever.
Its not mutually exclusive to have a racist media and a terrible team.
Sure scotland is institutionally racist and will tolerate criminality to prop that up – its no surprise. SUre the media toe that line.
That doesnt mean celtic need to be awful.
Its the board that decided that football results were secondary.
And its also the board that is saying nothing (again) when the criminality is flaunted in our faces.
Take the veil from your eyes. See what is being done in your name. Then do something about it.