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well beaten by a better team, nobody fears coming to celtic park now, feckin disco lights yes that’s gonna put the fear of god into the Valencia players, I think now sadly we cant compete with the big money leagues, so feckin sad,hh.
MBNaT @ 10.52
CMcG is not good enough to be a first choice starter for a team / club with a £100mill T/O.
He has made big progress over the past 18 months and he has found a useful role and some form as the sitter in a MF three.
However he wasn’t playing there tonight and the game came to him rather than the other way about.
Couple of good moments but overall he was invisible.
THE HANDS CANT HIT WHAT THE EYES CANT SEE on 14TH FEBRUARY 2019 10:59 PM
Just read the accounts mate..always a good starting point before pontificating on how any business is run
Imo, that was the poorest Celtic performance in many year. Too many were poor but our captain and I zzaguirre were dire.
NTB @ 11.05
I have read the accounts and we are a rudderless shambles of a football club being run as a cash cow for an absentee landlord and a rapacious executive level.
Plus we have a happy clappy element to the support that will applaud anything that comes from on high — no ability to make up their own mind but love to parrot the excuses that others give them.
Sorry bhoys but I just have to mention this. After the weekends mauling of St Johnstone the happy clappers were out in force asking where the mine shafters were? Seems as if roles have been reversed this evening. PL’s Loyal lodge 1888 are now strangely conspicuous in their absence.
Once again the fence sitters are bemused :-)
There’s the solution Peter should use.
Donald Trump to declare national emergency to build defensive wall.
Some hysterical shite on here as expected,why not play to our recent good play? Get the ball forward early,get them turning, pick up some scraps against them…the idealistic plan in European competition needs to be binned.
The scottish league is poor in both football and financial terms and tonight is about as good as its going to get so long as celtic remain in the spl.
@NOTTHEBUS on 14TH FEBRUARY 2019 11:05 PM
Pages 31-32 of the accounts.
Pl’s total LTPIP interest at 30 June 2018 was £2.296m, payment dated 31 December 2018.
LTPIP stands for “Long Term Performance Incentive Plan” and I quote:
“The criteria for the LTPIP to become payable as determined by the Board is that Celtic FC qualifies for and participates in the group stages of the UCL in the applicable financial year. In order to receive payment the participant must be employed by the Company at 31 December 2018. Awards under this arrangement accrue in each applicable financial period and are paid at the first appropriate date following 31 December 2018.”
Anyway, hopefully this clarifies matters.
Couldn’t give a toss about that result, seen it before will see it again, 8 in a row is priority, those guys who weren’t good enough tonight including our captain, have to stand up and be counted
Parkhead, You are usually the voice of reason but can’t agree with you there. They are a good side better than us and they deserved their win, We were not that bad, we made a rod for our own backs by giving away possession. But apart from the 2 goals I can only remember 2 or 3 saves by Bain, We created very little and we are all gutted tonight but I can think of a lot worse performances.
I’m going to park it for the night maybe I’ll feel a little better in the morning.
notthebus I have read the accounts. indeed PL bonus was on reaching CL last year, but is was not by investing,, a lot of luck there
there are a host of clubs from Holland, Greece, Sweden, poland, Austria , Serbia, Croatia etc that we just cant compete with, they are on approx. half our turnover, but they invest in players, we don’t we keep it just incase we don’t qualify for CL
Disappointing result, and the away leg will be a challenge. I think it is a fair representation of the level we are at right now – and that is a sickener.
I’ve always felt that those in control at the club would be happy for Celtic to finish 2nd-last in the league so long as the huns were last. That’s the level of ambition that we show most often.
Still, good to come on here after the game, nothing cheers me up like millions of pop-up ads…
Great night in Paradise cracking gazebo, then we filtered away into the ground and the match started, for fans that haven’t been for a while, hard to believe I know but the atmosphere in an after Christmas Celtic Euro night has gone to another level.
Like Barca, who were 2-0 down last week, except we had no Messi to claw back the irreversible from the Spanish side who got their focus shortly into the first half, when the the light show had faded. The scene was perfectly set but Valencia pressurised us, with the ball and they pressured us without, the ball and this was a massive learning curve where the gap between The Bats and El Submarino is bigger than Celtic and Sevco.
Time and again they took the ball clean from feet and the increasingly restless crowd knew the night would be barren as soon as the second goal went in. Hard to tell from my angle but both goals looked offside, though I’ve been told they were both on, Brendan Rodgers was looking for a decision as well, but in vain.
The ‘high press’ never stood a chance as Valencia simply passed us off the park when we weren’t pinned back in our own half , where BR’s preference of ‘Backsie in’ came under severe Euro scrutiny leading to us being quickly dispossessed, more than once. Stealing the ball from James Forrest Scott Brown or Callum McGregor is a rarity, not so in UEFA games it seems, as they all had their pockets picked.
Anonymous night for one or two Celtic players, but there’s little you can do without a ball.Not disgraced, and by the time we play in the qualifiers the side will have a different look, this one have other priorities en route, more within our capabilities.
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M.O.M Jeremy Toljan
Corkcelt, thanks for your comment. Hope I feel better in the morning.
At the third time of trying thanks to winning a prize…..just back not read bac.
Firstly,thanks to VFR for his ticket(daughter no.2 enjoyed her spot in the singing and dancing section albeit not in the right sea) and joined we other three in a row at halftime).
The game… our need to be on form playersIMO Broonie,Forrester,McGregor and Sinclair all failed us.The service to Burke was not only abysmal but not even of the kind that he excels at.A fast as lightning forward and not one ball over the top to see who would win the race..even at two down.
Poor Izzy really up against it at this level but at least he tried.As I said before(although that might have been on another blog?) these games to me are a bonus as I don’t see the need to compare uefa and spy competitions!But ,I acknowledge others don’t see it similarly.
Looking forward to the trip to Valencia with or without a ticket,.!
Finally,thanks to CRC,Pogmatonhahun,and JamesBay who also offered me a ticket for my granddaughter.Stars all A’s is CQN in the ticket search!
Off to kip now to rest before trip to Glasgow for the euros tomorrow for the ueros!
I find hard to be critical of the players tonight, this is how the manager wants to play wether it’s Airdre,St Johnstone or Valencia.Brendan has had plenty of plaudits since he came but he has made home European ties a not very enjoyable experience.
Bloody anticipatory iPad SPL no shitting spy!
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 13TH FEBRUARY 2019 11:57 PM
CHAIRBHOY @ Such and such a time.
Ernie Lynch also.
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Implying.
Insinuating.
Accusing.
I won’t be responding to your posts.
Reason being that past experience has taught me that my words would, most probably be deliberately misconstrued.
The John Sweeney like pack of attack dogs primed and ready to pounce.
I shall however continue to challenge the narrative, with the truth.
Dinner time so no more reading back.
Main task now is to left the players for the trip to deepest darkest Ayrshire.
I hope we see Timo, Eddie and Ollie from the start.
LIFT. NOT LEFT.
Many factors in our defeat.
The principle one imho was the jitters which resulted in misplaced passes.
We will get a better idea of the comparative abilities of the sides in the away game.
I feel we are closer to them than was apparent tonight.
Three certain starters were unavailable tonight .
a long time since i have seen such bad passing from a celtic team.
we made it easy for them, by the way they are a good team but not that good.
Not to mention two young guys brought in for a Baptism of fire.
Brendan is naive and clueless in Europe.
He actually said we must believe we can win it ????
TRY competing before that.
Defence or lack of it got him sacked by lpool and it sure will get us nowhere in Europe, only playing tnite because of a freak result from other teams.
16 ROADS. on 14TH FEBRUARY 2019 11:47 PM
I shall however continue to challenge the narrative, with the truth.
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More power to you .
TimH- seen your Billions post the other day ta HH
Last question from me…do UEFA need/want our exposure to their competition’s?…oops..2nd last…anyone see Whisky Tango Foxtrot…Martin Freeman as a proud fenian with scarf…loved his anecdote about being called one…oops 3rd last…
Whisky or Whiskey?
Nite troops ;-))
No excuses but i though the pitch was terrible tonight?
I see a few old faces/ monikers are back,nae surprise is it.
Anybody know were I can get one of them computers that only allow you to post when Celtic lose?????
At this level.
We are just not good enough.
And that is painful.
Thu 14th Feb 2019
Jozo Simunovic
100 Competitive Games for Celtic
093 Starts
007 Sub
010 Subbed
002 Sent Off
002 Goals
072 Wins
013 Draws
015 Lost .
Bada
Agree. I thought at one point that the ball was half burst the way it was rolling. Then realised it was the pitch.
HH jg
Bada Bing, the state of our pitch is embarrasing given the money spent and the hype around it.
They could save a fucking shit lot of money by sacking our ground staff and employing a couple of apprentice greenkeepers from Carnoustie.
Our groundstaff and the people that look after our pitch are rank fucking rotten.
Valencia viva espania.
HH
A CEILER GONOF RUST on 15TH FEBRUARY 2019 12:07 AM
On the night we weren`t good enough.
We weren`t at full strength .
Two 21 year old replacements and Izzy.
We`ll come again.
Disappointing to lose tonight but we needed our players to turn up with their A game.
We also needed the manager to bring his A game.
Bain played well & had no chance with either goal. He made two fine saves that could easily have gone in. His kicking got off to a poor start but on occasions he was given almost suicidal passes with an opponent on top of him. Somehow he got the ball away. On reflection he may have been the most composed Celtic player on the field.
Toljan was good & one of our better outfield players.
Poor Izzaguire had a nightmare game & showed every day of his age against faster & sharper opponents. He gave the ball away too much. He got caught flat footed & played Sobrino/Cherchyev on for the first goal. He then seemed to dawdle back behind Sobrino as he advanced towards our goal for the second goal. He even looked over at the linesman while trotting back. To watch as Sobrino got between 3 Celtic players inside the 6 yard box to score was a sucker punch. Quite how Izzy was kept on while Christie was subbed is mystery, compounded by Callum McGregor being shunted to left back while Izzy was given a left wing back role. We went from having an older.slower man at left back to a younger, faster, less experienced man who was also missed in midfield. Callum has the quickest feet in our squad & even he wasn’t quick enough tonight, but as soon as he went to left back we seemed to lose what little grip we had there.
Valencia were compact without the ball & quick, slick & expansive with it. We were neither good without it nor with it. They showed their qualities with the first goal. Callum felt he was impeded as he tried to weave through two of their players. The ball broke from one of them to Cherchyev who with one touch played a pefect pass to Parejo. His second touch was a perfect pass for Sobrino who ran on & laid it back to the still runnning Cherchyev to tap in.
Celtic had no penetration down either wing, both Sinclair & Forrest seemingly surrounded by opponents when they ran with the ball. Toljan gave Forrest decent support & still defended pretty well. On the other side though, Izzy was always available to support Sinclair but as the first half wore on he seemed to find the defending & attacking duties too onerous. His flatfootedness with the offside that wasn’t summed up how the game was going for him.
Our players were required to operate at a higher tempo than they were capable of against this team. Composure was at a premium all across our team – Toljan & Bain apart. Senior pros, seasoned internationalists & confident youngsters all seemed unable to put their foot on the ball to help calm others down. We always tended to look comfortable when they conceded our part of the pitch to us, but when they wanted to press in our third we were in trouble. I counted 4 occasions when Scott Bain received a pass in the middiel of his goal with a Valencia player closing on him from 3 yards away. Hasty passes to colleagues who were themselves under the same type of pressing usually led to a loss of possession within 3 passes.
Valencia players could do with one touch what took us 2/3 touches & combined with a passing accuracy that we could only dream about they were technically superior.
Physically, they seemed fitter than us but sometimes that’s an illusion when we are the losing side.
Tactically, they were far ahead of us.
Professionally speaking, they went down easily & usually for the referee, convincingly, when they felt the need.
Combined, all of those factors were enough for them to not lose the game. Our naivety gave them their two goals – although they took them well.
Unless there were injuries to Christie or Sinclair I can;t understand why they were taken off & Izzaguire kept on. With Callum dropping to left back for 20 minutes at the same time, we lost Christie, Callum & Sinclair from our midfield all at the same time. We looked like we had no midfield – no, that’s not meant to be funny.
We had nothing down the flanks & nothing down the middle for most of the game. Our three units seemed to mostly operate separate from each other & it was left to individual players to get the ball and “do” something. Forrest, Burke & Sinclair usually.
I’m sure if we played in a league with this level of opposition we’d improve but we’ve nit the ground with a bump tonight. What works against most of the SPFL is clearly not good enough in the last 32 of Euro competitions.
Onwards & upwards though. Flaying ourselves, the club, the board, the CEO, the principal shareholder & everyone else is pointless. We have a league to win & a cup to win. We’ve enjoyed our play since the break so moaning now is pathetic now. in my opinion.
Two last things.
The referee was so inconsistent that I’m sure his middel initials are SFA.
I watched the game on a BR Sports stream in the USA, but the commentator was an unidentified Englishman who was less than fair to Celtic’s players. On every occasion for a decision he sided with Valancia, but failed to see them exaggerate every contact. He was subject to some adverse comments in our house.
HH
In all these PL’s bonus meanderings I find it mystifying that those who acknowledge it is based upon qualifying for the CL never explain why someone whose bonus is so dependent doesn’t use someone else’s money(Celtic’s cash in bank) to ensure that he does actually get it!
It’s a well known fact it’s easy to spend other people’s money!
Definitely off now.