Is it really possible that Charles Green made a genuine oversight and believed that monies due to Rangers FC (IA) could be paid by a debtor to selective creditors in order to let his Newco gain access to the Scottish Football League?
Back in May, while Rangers FC (IA) were adamant they would continue in business, the SPL agreed to pay money due to the club directly to creditors. The club subsequently failed to pay, or agree terms with, creditors and a creditor has asked BDO to liquidate them. The lawyers have earned enough from this saga in recent months, they would be scrambling for Gratuitous Alienation cast studies if the SPL was to selectively pay football clubs.
It looks like Mr Green is tying himself in knots over the Newco/Oldco routine. His attention to detail has the potential to become legendary, however, he is entitled to wonder why the SFA have allowed his Newco membership despite apparently not meeting agreed terms. I am sure the SFA president will be all over this issue like a rash, demanding clear and proper process is followed.
Or is the SFA president still the only man at Hampden who cannot participate in any of the important issues concerning Scottish football?
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petec –
The Aspartame controversy is nothing more than another one of many huge and elaborate internet-driven hoaxes.
If you let the internet rule your life, you might as well lock the door and stay in bed for the rest of your natural life.
Sorry mate, but I just don’t buy into it.
Saint Stivs
Hate to say it ….. but ….no….. thay was not a cut and paste job!
You can actually get a “Dan Brown Tour of Rome” which takes you round a lot of the sites that he mentions in his book such as the Piazza Navona and the Fountain of the four Rivers and the Chigi Chapel within Santa Maria del Popolo etc
Appearently it comes complete with wholly innaccurate historical facts as well…… ha ha
This week,a Scottish Institution finds itself in serious financial trouble…and faces closure,or major financial restructuring,which would leave it a mere shadow of its former self…
The Venerable Institution of which we speak has a glorious history and tradition
…untainted by hooliganism or sectarianism.
It has entertained and humoured us…
provided role models and heroes,and has positively enriched our lives..
Happily,the Institution does not owe £100M+ ,to the HMRC….No hospitals have been forced to close,no pensioners have shivered in the dark,or soldiers maimed and killed in A/stan for lack of body armour….as a result of the financial difficulties of this organ…
Star features have not been recruited from rivals…only for the purchase fee to remain unpaid…
This Institution is the very fabric of Scottish Society…the weft and weave of our distinctive culture…
I expect Salmond-With-His-Pant-On-Fire
burning the midnight oil….in an effort to bring swift resolution to this issue,of concern to all Jock Thamsons bairns…
And this fly-by-night online company seeking to hive-off the rights…who are the names behind it.Is it a dodgy offshore
outfit…seeking to undermine and destroy Scottish Culture…Fit & Proper test must be transparent…
Are we going to let Black Bob,Korki The Kat,Desperate Dan…and Jimmy’s Pocket
Grandpa….die a miserable death..without even lifting a finger ?
Jings ,Crivvens ,Help M’Boab….!
Where’s Gorgeous George Galloway of Lochee…when there’s a matter that is of concern to the Scottish Nation ?
Where are all those folk..who were so keen to run off and fight for the Quince Brigada…back in the day ?
Boycott The Bunty,The Victor…and The Beezer too !
A Hundred-and-twenty years of unbroken history must be preserved…
Desperate Dan’s Big House Must Stay Open….
Korki The Kat Does Not Do Walking Away
We CAN turn this thing around…..
Right…? You’re Darned Right..!
http://www.desperatedansfightingfund.co.uk
I wish to pledge £ 50 / 100 / 200 ( circle as appropriate)
Good morning friends and a Big Happy Friday to CQN-land from a pretty grey and wet East Kilbride. Warm, though ;-)
alwayslookonthebrightsideoflifeCSC
Good morning CQNers,
There has been much debate in recent days about capitalism, socialism and other ‘ism’s’, but my friends in Celtic the attached brings home the stark reality of where it lead. No doubt there’ll be some posters who’ll want to have their say, who’ll use Google and come on here pontificating, can I just say, save it, the pictures tell me all I need to know.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/16/south-african-police-shoot-striking-miners
murdochbhoy –
It was a terrible massacre and deserves universal condemnation. There is nothing to pontificate about.
Sadly, it was used earlier on CQN to score cheap political points, but that is the nature of the beast.
SSN has all of our strikers injured
Along with Brown and Forrest ..
Worrying times ….after clearing out large parts of the deadwood the squad now looks lightweight in important areas
Apart from Hooper ( who has been poor by his standards thus far ) we don’t have a reliable goalscorer
We are very lightweight at CB , considering that Rogne is a permanent injury concern , will we be seeing quite a bit of Wilson ( he is often injured as well)
At the moment it looks like our custodians think we’ll walk th league and have no Euopean ambition
A few more performances like the Aberdeen home game , last , and I can see the atmosphere at CP souring
Perhaps it’s just me , but I haven’t felt such a lack of excitement at he start of a new season , ever
PF It is just you. You’re a Jeremiah. What have I told you about consorting with huns? Away and walk the pooches and you’ll feel better.
Big round of applause to Bloke 109 who was straight in for the Glasgow location of
http://enematic.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/where-are-these/
…..as ‘St Mungo Museum’
Its been absolutely beltin down all night in the Gorbals, but it seems to have dropped off now so I’ll put the new Ark into fairly damp dock and head into town where I may get a few unique pictures of the very rare ‘working person’, braving the mean streets, scavenging foxes and big issue sellers to harvest a few ears of corn to keep the wolf from the door.
I see petec or was it canamalar talking about aspartame – should I go back to alcohol?
Miki67 – here is my earliest photo of me taking up smoking. Top gun eat yer heart out. I was knowns as ‘the head wae a shed’!
http://enematic.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/i-havent-grown-any/
Hail hail
Estadio
Tom McLaughlin
Indeed, sad but true. However,the saving grace of this site is the large number of genuine souls whom I feel at one with.
Blind
Just in fae that and got feckin soaked
Laughing at the Huns has kept me going ….not quite tired of that yet , their silly misplaced optimism is a constant source of amusement
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/professor-in-bigotry-plea-to-holyrood.18593624
Dont know if this has been posted it is what some of us have been highlighting for a while.
Also a wee reminder of what the SNP stand for, and can be seen even to this day.
Hardly surprising that S.Africa is going into meltdown….amazing that it has not happened sooner..
Should be one of the very richest and most successful countries in the world..
But what do you expect in a country where the Dear Leader..that’s Pres.Jacob Zuma…behaves like this?(See last para)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks.
Since last year,Genocidewatch has been monitoring the whole community of white farmers.
The unfortunates who have been slain in recent years have mostly been in their 60s and 70s….as 80% of the white population aged 18-40 have left S.A in past five years…
Fair Dinkum…?
ImAllRightJackCSC…
Go with the bhoys up front, Tony Watt and James Keetings as shown by young Tony last year they have no fear and we will never get a better chance to blood them
Lennoxtownconveyorbeltcsc
St John Doyle
My sadly departed wee granny had the SNP ‘s number …. She called them Covenanters ..
….PFayr
07:39:
Totally agree with you, things have got flat including the laughing at deadco and sevco.
On the season ahead and with the squad we have I am finding it very hard to get excited. Apart from being lacking a quality Centre Half and Striker (how long we all being say this!)it is important to freshen the squad, not for the sake of it but it is important, we should be looking to add at least a couple of new Players that will help in enticing fans along.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
The Herald Article.
Good to see the rantings of Dewar Gibb being highlighted. I was beginning to think I was the only person in Christendom who’d heard of him.
”Professor in bigotry plea to Holyrood
Robbie Dinwoodie
Chief Scottish Political Correspondent
RELIGIOUS bigotry should be rebranded as racism to increase the public stigma involved, it will be argued at Holyrood today.
Racism carries a greater odium in today’s society and the term more accurately reflects the origins of sectarianism in Scotland, Professor Richard Finlay, Strathclyde University’s historian will claim.
He will be speaking at Scottish-Irish Conversations on Sectarianism, organised by Aberdeen University’s Research Institute for Irish and Scottish Studies as the opening event of this year’s Festival of Politics at the Scottish Parliament.
Professor Finlay says the issue of bigotry in Scotland has been overlaid by elements of racism since the 19th century, when Irish and Catholic became virtually synonymous as terms denoting “backwardness” and justified through concepts such as social Darwinism and so-called scientific racism.
He adds: “When people go on about sectarianism or bigotry, if you call it racism it changes the debate fundamentally – because racism as a term carries a much greater stigma in our society than bigotry.”
While its working class roots get much of the publicity, he says the middle-class manifestations of bigotry were “much more insidious”.
A key figure was Andrew Dewar Gibb, the prominent lawyer who was active in the Unionist Party before becoming a founder of the SNP while Regius Professor of Law at Glasgow University.
Mr Finlay claims: “In some of his publications in the 1930s Dewar Gibb’s descriptions of the Irish in Scotland were very similar to the views expressed about Jews in Nazi Germany.”
He also points out that the Irish Republic’s reaction to this – stressing Celticness in contrast to the Anglo Saxons and arguing that to be Irish you had to be Catholic – deepened the divide.
Sectarianism, Politics and the Law will be led by Professor Barbara Fennell and Dr Michael Brown, both of Aberdeen University, and chaired by the university’s Glucksman Professor of Irish and Scottish Studies, Cairns Craig.
Other contributors include Dr Gladys Ganiel, assistant professor in conflict and resolution at Trinity College, Dublin, and the Rev Dr Alan David Falconer, former minister of the Cathedral Church of St Machar, Aberdeen, and a former director of the Irish School of Ecumenics.
Dr Ganiel will reflect on the way sectarianism has become embedded in Northern Ireland’s politics, in spite of legislation working to soften its impact.
She said: “Sectarianism often gets reduced to individual attitudes, so most people don’t see it as any of their business.
“That attitude is especially problematic in Northern Ireland, because it allows the sectarian system to continue. The political parties who are running the Northern Ireland Assembly have no incentive to smash the sectarian system, because their votes depend on it.”
Dr Brown, the acting director of the Research Institute for Irish and Scottish Studies, said: “Although sectarianism in Scotland often revolves around football rivalries, we know it goes far beyond this and it is important to look at the issue from all perspectives.
“Scotland and Ireland share many similarities and many of the same problems, though they manifest themselves in different ways.”
Like many of the events at this eighth year of the Festival of Politics, which runs on Friday and Saturday over the next two weekends, the opening debate is free but requires a ticket.
Tonight the festival presents an updated version of Des Dillon’s play Singing I’m No a Billy He’s a Tim, bringing the newco Rangers story up to date. There is a charge for this event.”
Galbhoy
By the looks of things we won’t have any choice
Tom McLaughlin
07:17 on
17 August, 2012
‘Sadly, it was used earlier on CQN to score cheap political points, but that is the nature of the beast.’
The sad thing is the posters are delighted by what has happened. They think it validates and justifies their racism.
Tragic…Entire young white South African generation has left the country
http://m.digitaljournal.com/article/267776.
I expect that the Chinese will move in and effectively ‘buy’ the country ..and bring over large numbers of their citizens…as they have done,elsewhere in Africa.
Might bring some stability,in the long term…but I’m not sure Che Guevara would approve….;-(
PunchingLikeSkippyCSC..
SA is only in the news because it is a British owned mine…
I have said nothing about LAwell and his ilk this season as I feel as though I have been saying it for nearly 3/4 years now…
CelticPLC o((
Celtic FC o))
Swansea sign the doughnut Bartley on a permanent deal ….IMO he’s a dreadful footballer …really surprised that he is considered EPL class
BT
you making yourself available on the 1 Sept for a day out with EN ?
Work beckons…
Until we meet again…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Well ,Ernesto…The Chinese…
Approve ( ) Disapprove ( ) Parks’ Buses( )….
BT
Lawwell et al are surpassing themselves with their parsimony and lack of ambition this summer
….pfayr
Could not have put it better regards that numpty
Norwich have signed Javier Garrido at left back so the Record can stop trying to sell Izzy…
As well as the issues directly relating to Dundee United’s £30,000, analysed in detail in the linked piece, the statements emanating from the Rangers FC regarding the matter contain some interesting comments, perhaps indicating that Mr Green is not entirely sure of his ground.
First of all, if Mr Green believed that the Rangers FC no longer owe any Scottish clubs a penny, as he stated, then he needs to be educated as to what “debt” actually is. It would be strange for a businessman to have attained the heights and successes he has if not aware of that!
In addition, one of the arguments for the continuity of Rangers is that, whilst the companies which from time to time own the club might change, then club itself goes on forever. Therefore the administration and liquidation of the former owner has no bearing on the continuity of the club. By that analysis therefore, it was not “Rangers” which went into administration, but simply the corporate owner.
Would it surprise fans of the Ibrox team to see Mr Green now admitting that it was the club, and not the company, which went into administration?
Finally turning to the SPL prize money issue, there are lots of interesting legalities regarding waivers, title and gratuitous alienation which I will look at in detail in a soon to arrive post re what BDO might and can do as liquidators. For now there is the possibility that (a) ambiguous legal drafting has caused this mess (b) that newco might have acted, with authority from Duff and Phelps, to the prejudice of oldco’s creditors or (c) some other possibility has resulted in this mess. (I suspect Douglas Adams’ Infinite Improbability Drive is generating the continuing events in this story!)
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/the-rangers-fc-v-the-spl-and-dundee-utd-the-plot-thickens/
PF
I am sure I will be available for a shandy or two that day..
Lennybhoy
have a grand 50th when it comes…
Morning,
Why will none of the laptop loyal report that Regan will only talk to Green in the presence of a lawyer…
Saw the DR back page headline claiming that the ” `gers” are about to set a new world record 40,000 crowd for a fourth tier match!! Do Celtic supporters STILL buy that paper? Actually, many comments on here make it obvious that they must do.
JJ
Jeez, nearly crashed the car there listening to snyde sports news, “Rankers are in line for a world record tomorrow”, then he goes on to say later that they will break the world record for the highest number of fans at a fourth tier game, ( The current record is 38,000 by Crystal Palace).
Astonishing piece of reporting, these bassas will never change.
What they really want to tell us that they must have a world record for owing debt, not paying it, liquidating and carrying on as normal.
HH
Gratuitous Alienation – A transfer of property by a debtor to another person for no consideration or for an inadequate consideration. Such alienations in the period up to 5 years prior to the date of sequestration are open to a statutory challenge by the permanent trustee; alienations outwith that period can only be challenged at common law.
JJ
DR is just Hun propaganda …why any Celtic fan,or anyone with even a smattering of intelligence would buy that rag is beyond me
The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie
07:48 on 17 August, 2012
Hardly surprising that S.Africa is going into meltdown….amazing that it has not happened sooner..
Should be one of the very richest and most successful countries in the world..
But what do you expect in a country where the Dear Leader..that’s Pres.Jacob Zuma…behaves like this?(See last para)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks.
Since last year,Genocidewatch has been monitoring the whole community of white farmers.
The unfortunates who have been slain in recent years have mostly been in their 60s and 70s….as 80% of the white population aged 18-40 have left S.A in past five years…
Fair Dinkum…?
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Crime, violence, drug abuse, AIDS epidemic – all part of the ‘new’ s. africa.
I hate to say it but the ANC failed to build on the end of apartheid. They changed the flag, the anthem, overturned the apartheid laws – but they did not address the structural causes of poverty and crime among the majority population. There should have been a redistribution of the massive wealth in the country.
No matter people’s opinions on ‘isms’ – the failure to deal with inequities caused by capitalism and exacerbated by racism have led to a failed state.
Tootingtim
Also can be a criminal offence
Fun times ahead perhaps