Back in October 2011 I was for calling an end to the Neil Lennon experiment. During the previous season he lost the league after a late collapse, while exiting Europe in August after defeats to Braga and Utrecht. That season Sion’s insistence in not playing by the rules allowed us a backdoor ticket to the Europa League but we were 10 points behind Ally McCoist’s Rangers.
Subsequent events proved there was not enough evidence on show to judge the Neil Lennon era early in his second season. Neil pulled things together, finished a credible third in the Europa League group and never looked back.
Ronny Deila has already made mistakes in his Celtic tenure but does anyone seriously believe he has had the opportunity and resources to build a team? Of course not. He needs to sort out the many cousins of George Weah who have arrived recently from the genuine John Guidetti’s. He needs players who can pass the ball with reasonable accuracy but most of all he needs players of courage and attitude.
I would probably be singing a different tune if we still had Rangers to contend with, long-term development objectives are important but the short-term need to win the league remains absolute, but we don’t, which means short-term targets remain well within grasp.
The memory of Rangers’ many mistakes in the years before liquidation offers another lesson. They sacked Paul Le Guen six months into a badly needed overhaul project. Le Guen was appointed months before he took up the reins and had enough time to watch his new team and scout transfer targets, but even that wasn’t enough to ensure a smooth transition, as he found the Weahs living in Austria. Le Guen was decrying his as a heretic by a club incapable of change.
Despite the tiredness after Thursday and a plethora of injuries, Celtic had enough resources to swamp a tiny football club yesterday. That we didn’t, suggests Ronny has a big job on his hands. From the frustration shown by Scott Brown and Stefan Johansen at their team-mates yesterday, I suggest he builds his recovery around these two.
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Monaghan 1900 … defo my favourite poster
MayoD
17:18 on 6 October, 2014
If Anthony Stokes had converted even half the chances that he had yesterday this blog would be so different.
NAIN HEAD
Lost count of the chances we missed yesterday .
Ps I blame Ronny for me missing TnTs tip :)))))
Stay away from negativity and get a text” did you bet it ?” :(((
paul67 you are being disingenius about loan signings.
one is guy he knows from norway, one is guy we tried to sign last year, another we have been sniffing about couple of years and one regarded as new kompany and one we have signed is another that has been long term target.
Wakaso might be in your weah remit but he looks better than we have.
On paper we have better team than one we strolled lge with last year.
manager hopeless, we werent playing real madrid yesterday.
football isnt rocket science, those that try to make it so usually fail.
Not having seen the game it’s hard to comment but judging by the various posts from people who were actually in Celtic Park a lot of the blame for this defeat is clearly directed at the players, Ronny cannot be blamed for not putting the ball in the net. At least chances were being created unlike Thursday night against the Croats when the team did not make one chance in the second half. One thing for sure nobody will underestimate Hamilton from now on and every team in the League will be gunning for them.
Like most of supporters it’s a surprise that our so-called marquee signing did not feature. Looking at the team for yesterday it’s practically the the same that streaked through the League last season with the exception of Samara’s and Joe Ledley who are big names to be missing no doubt about it. I was confident of a win yesterday by a couple of goals as the form of the team seemed to be on an upward curve. Hamilton are not going to find life at the top easy.
Good evening friends.
The beautiful clear skies over East Kilbride are so much more pleasant than the doom and gloomy dark, rainy start to today.
The quadruple is still on ;-)
!!Bada Bing!!
The wee you tube clip of the huns & plod had about 20 commiting Breach of the peace,resisting arrest,aiding and abetting prisoners in custody to escape and sectarian singing.
Not a jot in the SMSM
why all the panic we have a plc who are frothing at the mouth of their beloved sevco on the way back despite fat boy trying to mess it up. we have a great manager who has only taken 10m out of the club in wages justified as he has got rid of all the deadwood ie vic gary h fraz and brought in superstars like puckki baldie etc and all those world class loanees peter just got his team tactics wrong yesterday no reason to get on their backs he l make it up to us by selling virgil in January is it true he would not let Griffiths go to hibs in case cost his beloved sevco promotion we are in good hands with pete and coach ronn
Last night I had the weirdest dream…..Ronny was gone and NFL was back in an interim basis…..I hope this dream does NOT come true as that ship has sailed.
We can all greet and moan about Saturday’s result but let’s not forget 2 seasons ago we suffered the same kind of result at home to ICT after losing1-2 midweek in Lisbon…….we won on Thursday against Zagreb this time……we also went out of the SC away to the same ICT days after winning at Anfield.
On Friday morning the Dynamo players must have woken up and wondered what had went wrong…….played us off the park in the 2nd half yet failed to score….our players must be doing the same thing this morning….Big Jock often said that as long as we are making the chances the goals will come.
When we lost the League Cup 1-4 to the Maryhill Magyars who seemed to score every time they ran up the park….we had a forward line of Johnstone, Dalglish, Hood, Callaghan and Macari…although Jinky left the game early to be replaced by big Cairney after being crippled by Ronnie Glavin!!!!!…we made enough chances in the 2nd half to win 10 games…Jock signed Dixie while still under a 6 match suspension after this game….proof that he thought we needed an out and out striker…..which Ronny needs right now.
I would sacrifice the title this season if it allowed the club to be revolutionised….last season NFL sacrificed our youths in an attempt to go through the season undefeated and a clean sheet record (please don’t mention Liam Henderson as he only played through necessity)…..he padded his CV but failed in the domestic cups and in Europe to a poor Ajax (who tied with Apoel Nicosia in midweek) and AC (who failed to qualify for Europe this season).
I truly believe that we are on the right track…patience a virtue that the modern day Celt doesn’t have is required now.
I look at two “big” clubs…well big in their own country and with European pedigree that had the opportunity to change the culture within their respective clubs.
The 1st one is the obvious…they brought in the “genius” that was PLG…lets curtail that myth right now….BFDJ said on Snyde that PLG liked to take a team that was down in its luck and rebuild them….horse manure and nobody challenged him on it.
He inherited OL from Jacques Santini after they won their 1st title after he left to take over the National position…..he won only 3 of their 1st 9 games but was given time which resulted in 3 more titles.
Time was not what he was given at the bigotdome and due to fan and player power he was given the sugar lump even though they were unbeaten in Europe and topped their group.
As we know naesurname and mcsleekit replaced him and trophies were won but at what cost….they are deid.
The other team is Villa…….founder members of the Football and Premier Leagues…they have the 4th highest total of major honours in England including the Big Cup….however after winning the latter and the Super Cup, the pinnacle of their success, their fortunes dwindled and they were eventually relegated 5 seasons later.
3 seasons on and back in the top division where they had finished runners up to Manre they made the revolutionary move of appointing Dr Jo who had helped guide his national side to the Euro title as well as the ¼ Finals of the WC.
Again player power took over after he introduced more time on the training pitch instead of hanging around pubs and bookies and dared try to change their diet…..they finished 3 places above the relegation zone and Dr Jo was for the “Joe the Toff”.
So where are Villa now…they since the oul Dr are now on their 9th manager…have only won 2 League Cups and 2 Interto Cups….this one of the biggest clubs in the country who while in the old 3rd Division were drawing bigger crowds than local rivals WBA in the First……one of the finest grounds as well….yet they are still hovering around mid table….why…..they failed to move on.
We have the opportunity now to change not only the culture at the club but also the country as well….let’s not blow this in an attempt at fleeting success….and let’s forget the mythical TIAT…it won’t be allowed to happen.
jobo baldie
18:14 on 6 October, 2014
Good evening friends.
The beautiful clear skies over East Kilbride are so much more pleasant than the doom and gloomy dark, rainy start to today.
The quadruple is still on ;-)
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just now im in one of EK’s least tim friendly establishments.
so its always dark and gloomy in here!
twists n turns……..thank’s for the tip,had a few quid on,was going
to pass on the info to the huns in the work but did not bother,thankfully.
The EK Quadruple:
Rain – tick
Wind – tick
Hail – tick
Snow – expected
leftclicktic- it’s the We Arra Peepil School of Policing,which we are well used to now mate,disgusting,sectarian double standards.
Am I right to assume that Choccy Eclair wouldnt get a game for the new style super fit Celtic ?
My own tuppence worth on Ronny –
I think he’d improve his lot if, when playing wide players, he puts right footed players on the right and left footed on the left. But another crucial related point on this is that we then also need to have someone in the box to put away the expected crosses. Say what you like about big Efe but at least he has the nonce to realise there’s nobody in the middle so doesn’t simply fire balls in.
Playing players on their ‘correct’ side would be a step in the right direction.
Despite all of that we SHOULD have won yesterday simply based on the number of chances we squandered I think we had 8 on target. But the 7 that finished off target were actually our best opportunities but mostly fell to a very unconvincing Anthony Stokes.
I so want Ronny to succeed.but there were so many folk screaming abuse at him from the ole Main Stand yesterday that I fear he’s already a dead man walking.
Might be prepared to settle for a treble rather than the full 4 ;-)
the battered bunnet
18:20 on 6 October, 2014
The EK Quadruple:
Rain – tick
Wind –tick
Hail – tick
Snow – expected
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you forgot the expensive taxis
foghorn leghorn –
sounds fishy?
Paul
Have to disagree with you on this one
RD is not experienced enough at our level to be our manager
Lenny should not have been given the job when he was for the same reason
We got away with it because Lenny had at least had the experience of playing in a real professional league and been with our club for a number of years
There are two issues which seem to be getting put together
One is the fitness and diet regime that RD has brought in – this is the basic minimum that the club should expect for the money it pays our players and that should remain long after the present manager leaves.
The other is RD’s inability to use the players at his disposal to the best effect
Paul talks about building a team around SB and SJ – however they need help and RD’s system leaves them far too much to do!
Even teams with poorer players like M’well and Hamilton have proved that
Our three good results have been against DUFC who contributed to their own downfall by playing an open game against us. On the day we got the early goal and picked them off
Yesterday Guidetti missed the early chance and we started to struggle!
Against both Salzburg and Zagreb we got away with it because our GK made a stream of very god saves. If he had missed even one in either game the result would have been quite different
Yesterday at times we played 2-2-6 – often the six were in a static line strung across the pitch
RD reminds me abit of the late TB – who could never get away from the idea that the solution was to throw on more forwards!
Games are won and lost in the middle of the park
Witness how Chelsea yet again dismantled Arsenal because Mourinho plays at least two holding players in the centre of the park and throttled AFC!
Currently we do not have one proper holding player on the books and haven’t since big Victor left
He was the key ingredient in Lenny’s most succesful period along with Ledley they gave the team a proper presence there – which could be supplemented by Ki or Mulgrew
At present SB and SJ have to do the work of three or four !
The problem is compounded by RD insistence on playing his wide players on the wrong side
This simply slows our forward progression even more as they cut inside almost inevitably in to more congestion!
Yesterday we hardly put a ball in to the box until after we took off our one striker with a bit of physical presence! We then proceeded to put in loads towards a forward line composed or lightweights!
The desperation of flinging our CB and our GK up for attacks at the death against Hamilton
Would have been funny if not so tragic!
These things tell me that RD is well out of his depth. We don’t have six years for him to learn his trade!
We should cut our losses and get in a proper professional manager who has the relevant experience- unfortunately we probably won’t until things have gone from bad to worse!
HH
Very trying day at work with Huns ( how ironic) and others delighted in our result yesterday .
We need to remain calm.
Stay cool.
We cannot create this pressure on RD.
Must win game against Hertz. If not sack him.
Must win game against St Mirren. If not sack him.
Win both and Euro tie.
Loose to Accies, sack him.
Stick by our mhan and we will improve .We will win the treble this season.
If yesterday had been another day we would have won 7-1.
Just a bad day at the office.
We won’t have many other days when Guidetti, Stokes, Commons & Griff are so off colour.
KTF
Hail Hail
jobo baldie
18:27 on 6 October, 2014
foghorn leghorn –sounds fishy?
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jobo
brilliant
thats the very one!!!!
Bournesouprecipe
Yer a good man, many happy returns from the valley Tims..
Bada/Leftclck
Hail hail
The food is now coming
owenjohn1888
18:00 on 6 October, 2014
sorry lads I take personally when asked that question for the first time. cheers for the welcome. HAIL HAIL!!!
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Welcome. Daft ‘stickie bun’ that you are!!!
HH jamesgang
Reading the comments on Bergets hairdo obviously not many have seen the new TV drama The Vikings note the hairstyles of a lot of the cast just like Mr Bergets.
foghorn leghorn –
wonder if they still have the voting rights on Alisdair’s shares ;-)
I’ll be clear… I really don’t like the guy.
But got Snyde supersnore board on….. And can’t help but agree with shuggie Keevins
foghorn leghorn
18:00 on 6 October, 2014
‘the vote wasnt about the snp
it was whether you were a unionist or not’
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Would it not be more accurate to say that it was about whether you were a political unionist or a currency unionist?
Those were the two options that were available.
Alex Salmond said that ever yes vote was a mandate for a currency union.
I watched a re run of hearts scot cup game last season 7 . 0………….Just a wee reminder of team……….Forster lustig efe V D Izzy……..Brown Biton Ledley Mulgrew……..commons stokes..
Very very SOLID…………as was said earlier……… football is not rocket science……
Where’s the FFin’ publicity:
” ‘This Is Glasgow’ is a marketing book which is distributed around hotels within the City and surrounding areas. It lists, among many other things, places of interest to visit while in Glasgow. It’s a hefty publication.
The front cover with the Celtic player sets the tone.
[Sevco] are mentioned briefly in the bottom corner.
10 reasons to love this city. Celtic Park is listed. [Sevco] don’t warrant a mention.
The Tour of Celtic Park. [Sevco] aren’t listed.
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“Our new addition to our [Sevco] Media Dept has pictures of [Celtic Park] with This Is Paradise and little green shamrocks and green love hearts under the photo on her Twitter account.
We don’t help ourselves, do we ?”
burghbhoy
My genuine sympathies go out to guys like yourself who have to endure Huns in the workplace after results like yesterday.
Twice, years ago now, I witnessed my mate close to tears after being beaten by the Zombies at the thought of having to face them all the following day.
jobo baldie
18:27 on 6 October, 2014
foghorn leghorn –sounds fishy?
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and so we are in doubt about said establishment
hoops
Vinniethedog
Only Forster and Ledley are away from that line-up, and let’s be frank… Forster has been amply replaced.
So the difference isn’t Ledley.
The difference is simple. With the same core of players, Delia is trying to re-invent the wheel, and the same core of players who played last season… Are saying, Ronny “bolt ya rocket”
hankray
I noticed that too, think he’s got more chance of appearing on it than making an impact with us
vinniethedog- i think Biton played just in front of the back 4 that day,him and Henderson must be due a run?
Not been on CQN in a few months.Decided to catch up and read the comment from our performance at the weekend.My own opinion is that our squad are undermining Ronny..they dont fancy him for whatever reason.When that happens its all downhill.The tools are down, and sadly if there is no change in managment then is could snowball into crisis..
Its in the interests of the money men at celtic to back theyre assets (players).
thunder road
18:06 on 6 October, 2014
jamesgang@17.13
I think you should be in charge!
I would like to see Denayer given a wee run in that role.
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Kind words. Wise too. But misdirected as I was quoting Dim Sam. He’s obviously poorly named, talking all that common sense n’all. It’ll never catch on!!!
Jobo
Agree 100% ref the vitriol coming RD’s way. I’m about 10 rows behind the dugout. A lot of it is bitter. Some of it seems unhinged.
:-(
That’s not to deny the frustration we all feel or the fact that many want him out.
But some folk who sit not far from me and my son act in a way I’d associate with another club.
Was it Corkcelt who used the analogy of scratching you own car with your own keys? I see and hear too much of that.
HH jamesgang
Sadly paul, your angle is all to predictable.
O’Neill, Strachan, Le Guen all had a track record in management at a top level
Unfortunately Deila hasn’t.
He may turn into a great manager and if he does it will almost be a unique achievement for a promising Scandinavian manager to be successful with a British club.
Doesn’t mean it can’t happen just a huge risk taken by the club.
One thing is for the last four seasons Celtic have started slowly remember:
St Johnstone winning 1-0 Victor’s debut
Kilmarnock winning 2-0 at CP for the first time in 60 years
Inverness winning 1-0
and Morton last season.
So there is still time but yesterday was a huge disappointment and a hard one to take for the hardcore CSC who bothered to go to the match unlike the can’t be arsed csc.
ernie lynch
18:38 on 6 October, 2014
foghorn leghorn18:00 on 6 October, 2014
‘the vote wasnt about the snpit was whether you were a unionist or not’
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Would it not be more accurate to say that it was about whether you were a political unionist or a currency unionist?
Those were the two options that were available.
Alex Salmond said that ever yes vote was a mandate for a currency union.
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no ernie
that wasnt the question on offer
it was purely a political/geographical vote
but your point is totally valid
about currency etc
but that wasnt what was one the referendum paper
it was a clear choice
we were only either unionists or seperatists
there is nothing else can be inferred from whatever way we voted
but that doesnt mean any of us were wrong