Back in October 2011 I was for calling an end to the Neil Lennon experiment. During the previous season he lost the league after a late collapse, while exiting Europe in August after defeats to Braga and Utrecht. That season Sion’s insistence in not playing by the rules allowed us a backdoor ticket to the Europa League but we were 10 points behind Ally McCoist’s Rangers.
Subsequent events proved there was not enough evidence on show to judge the Neil Lennon era early in his second season. Neil pulled things together, finished a credible third in the Europa League group and never looked back.
Ronny Deila has already made mistakes in his Celtic tenure but does anyone seriously believe he has had the opportunity and resources to build a team? Of course not. He needs to sort out the many cousins of George Weah who have arrived recently from the genuine John Guidetti’s. He needs players who can pass the ball with reasonable accuracy but most of all he needs players of courage and attitude.
I would probably be singing a different tune if we still had Rangers to contend with, long-term development objectives are important but the short-term need to win the league remains absolute, but we don’t, which means short-term targets remain well within grasp.
The memory of Rangers’ many mistakes in the years before liquidation offers another lesson. They sacked Paul Le Guen six months into a badly needed overhaul project. Le Guen was appointed months before he took up the reins and had enough time to watch his new team and scout transfer targets, but even that wasn’t enough to ensure a smooth transition, as he found the Weahs living in Austria. Le Guen was decrying his as a heretic by a club incapable of change.
Despite the tiredness after Thursday and a plethora of injuries, Celtic had enough resources to swamp a tiny football club yesterday. That we didn’t, suggests Ronny has a big job on his hands. From the frustration shown by Scott Brown and Stefan Johansen at their team-mates yesterday, I suggest he builds his recovery around these two.
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Never saw any comments from Johansen and Brown after the game but the article suggests they were critical of their teammates. Bit if a shocker if true. We lost the game in central midfield where both these guys were ineffective. They need to take a close look at their own performance before criticising others.
kingsnake
16:05 on
6 October, 2014
We have a game in hand. If we win that we’re 3rd with 2 teams ahead of us. Both of whom could drop points and we’d be first.
Teuchter ár lá
14:30 on
6 October, 2014
☆☆☆☆☆ Happy Birthday Bournesouprecipe. ★★★★★
I suppose you and fellow celebratee Gerry Adams will be out for a pint?
○○○○○○○○○○○○○○ HAIL HAIL MATE ●●●●●●●●●●●●●●
Thank you, and a big HAIL HAIL to you
looks alot like Che
My objection to Billy Davies isn’t that he is a hun (although that is certainly objectionable), or to any of the others like him (including Tony Pulis) ….
the problem with scottish football (and with bringing in a scottish manager) is as Einstien said … madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Over the last 20 years or so, the game has passed Britain by …. its managers and players (even those who have had some degree of success… like MO’N… played much like the top English teams from the 70’s and early 80’s) … but the game has moved on so much since that time, and the game and coaches in Scotland haven’t kept up with the developments…
Because of the huge TV money available to them, England has, to an extend, been able to paper over cracks by bringing in top foreign players and coaches …. In Scotland, the money isn’t available to do that …
The lack of money has made the problem in Scotland more acute … when was the last Scottish team, other than Celtic, to do anything of note in Europe?
Even most of Celtic’s ‘successes’ of late (e.g., the win over Barca) came not by skill so much as desperate every man to the pump, throw your self in front of everything defending … which will steal you the odd point, but isn’t really a viable plan to win a lot of matches….
Too many players (and we saw it at Sevco under PLG) would rather work half a day, and then go to the boozer or the bookies… the continental teams are much more professional, and the players from asia or south america are hungrier, and, from what I can see, work harder and develope their skills more (for many of them, it is the only way out of a life of poverty)…. in short, they are hungrier … Even Gianluca Vialli – who was playing with the top English players at the time – commented on their lack of professionalism … if the top guys are lacking, what about the lower tier players or players in Scotland ?
Scottish football needs a complete overhaul…. from the roots up … this will take time, but is necessary, or else Scottish football will continue to fall further behind… As the only real team with a stake in Europe, Celtic needs to lead the charge, as they have the most to lose and/or win…
For Celtic, in some respects, the problem is more acute … we may buy the best of Scottish players, but as noted above, this comes with some built in limitations…
And, given the poor standard of football, Celtic dont usually have to get out of second gear to win most SPL games, but then are not battle-hardened when they come up against the best UEFA has to offer …
A further problem for Celtic is that, now with Sevco gone, we are exepected to win every game 7-0. This puts tremendous pressure to get results, rather than giving a new manager time to get his team playing proper football….
Celtic is now at a crossroads… the absence of real competition at the moment can afford Celtic a once in a lifetime chance to reboot and start teaching our players how to play football the modern way (with little or no risk, as we will continue to win the league)
I supported RL because I thought he was the sort of progressive European manager we needed to drag us into the modern era …. but, if not him, whoever it is is going to have a lot of work to do … he’ll be fighting to change things within the club and in Scottish football generally ….. this is not going to be easy or quick …
RD might not be the guy for that fight (I thought he was, but I am less sure now ..)….
What I am sure about is that the old way (Billy DAvies et al.) might be a short term fix … win a few more games immediately …. but the old guys and their old ways are not the men to take Celtic forward…at least, not if we want to be able to compete at the top level in Europe once again…
Can any of the Deila supporters on here tell me one thing that they have seen on the park and not that they have heard the manager say that gives cause for optimism…just one example of where we are improving …..JUST ONE…
kingsnake
The past is relevant in many ways, it proves none of those teams can push us to a Helicopter Sunday! They never will either.
Our performances will get better but I still feel we will be inconsistent throughout the season but overall we will be better than the rest.
Twisty cheers mate. CQN’s very own garryowen. Top Man. If your ever at a night out with the bhoys or a hootenany you will never need to put your hand in your pocket mate.
HH
KTF
I see Pukki has 3 goals in 4 games for Brondby now.
We might just get our money back yet.
Happy birthday BSR..
always there to put a smile on our faces…
On to more important matters.
Roy Keane – ZZ Top or The Dubliners?
Bourne
Many happy returns. You’re still one of the best reasons for coming on to CQN.
Robert88 15:31 on 6 October, 2014
starry plough
What’s David O’leary doing these days?
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Surely you would sound out Alex McLeish first?
twentyfirstofmaynineteenseventynine
16:16 on 6 October, 2014
Looks a lot like Che Guevara
So you were actually serious ?
Semi maybe! :) Has got a good reputation in England though I expect the Manky Mob have him in line to succeed where the Cheeky Chappie has failed! :)
eurochamps67
13:14 on 6 October, 2014
Celtic should practice hitting crosses, at a headable height, at a volleyable height, along the deck, into the penalty box area, in front of the goals.
Not overhit, clearing the box, underhit, hitting the first defender or passing outside the 18 yard box.
A basic drill. We need to Find out who can deliver this simple task.
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Well after Saturday we deffo know who CAN’T cross a ball!
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robert88
13:34 on 6 October, 2014
Ronny Deila as a manager from 2008 year on year progressed with Stromgodset, to eventually winning the league in 2013, he has the ability to do it and it took him 6 years to do it with them, he will do it with Celtic given time and patients.
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Lustig, Jamesie and Mathews. How many more ‘patients’ do we need!?!
HH jamesgang
1,902 ‘paper’ signatures for the Living Wage petition before yesterday’s game. Well done to all who signed up!
Bourne
I assume you’re spending your birthday down Diagon Alley with other wizarding worthies at the Leaky Cauldron.
Beats Dello’s
Many happy returns.
Che Guevara
Sorry mate, I detest him, never had a good word to say about us and his dealings with Wilson show him for what he is. Wasn’t meaning to have a go pal, but just the thought of it !
mike in toronto
16:19 on 6 October, 2014
looks alot like Che
Great post! Completely agree. My thought would be he would dig us out and, in a short period time get us the league perhaps. A la a Tony Pullis or those other “throwbacks” we could all mention.
I agree that the appointment of RD was a good opportunity and this was the time, the season to do so. Your right, would be great to see RD revolutionise our club and drag it kicking screaming and cheering into the next 20 years!
My worry is how long is enough? End of Oct is probably the right time for a change if one is required.
Then we would have 2 requirements – win the league this season and recruit a manager to take us forward given the limitations you mention.
Chances are we will need a trouble shooter to win us the league this year who may not be the medium /lomg term answer. Thougha short term fix who gets us the league has the perfect opportunity to become the medium, long term answer.
I actually think RD would have been a good No2 and a Good No1 in a few years.
As I said earlier, I just think it isnt looking like its working and I think, and its only my opinion, that RD is a man out of his time. He’s too late to be No2 and he’s too early to be number 1.
I could be wrong, I hope I am
TwentyfirstofMayNineteenSeventyNine.
Yes.. Ye ur Correct.
Ah Am Very Confident that we Need a Clear oot.. of
ALL OOR Present MID FIELD DENIZENS!
It Pains me.. tae See..
A Guy Like . Commons.. Being allowed tae Play for Us.
He Is a GLORY HUNTER.. No More..n.. Sointenly..No Less!
Sure,he Scores the Spectacular.. Goals.. But..
Whit we need is a Guy who .
CREATES .. no… No a “Rab Haw”…
Fir if oor.. “Rab Haw” , is no Scoring those Spectacular goals..
Then.. We find oor Selves Playin’ wi’…
A MAN SHORT~
Fur Commons, Offers . NUTTIN’..When He isw Not Poppin’ ’em Home!
Na.. We Need tae get Shot of this Guy..
Same wi.. Stokesy..
Again.. He Kin be An Asset.. as His Assists kin be Very Welcome..
Howevahhhhhhh..
Stokesy,is Far too.. Temperamental… He is Far too Precocious..
He is Like…Ma Leetle Gal Pal…
L’il Audrey.. fur.. Inasmuch,
When HE is Good.. He is Very, Very .. Good..
But..
When He is Bad… HE IS HORRID!
Broonie, offers Very Little ..In The Way of Making a Meaningful Contribution..
when.
He is NEEDED.
Yesterday,is a Fine Example..
He ..for Long Periods in the Game..
Did Not CONTRIBUTE.. one.. Viable ..well.. Contribution..
It is In Games Like ,we experienced , Yesterday.. when things are Not going According tae Hoyle..
that a Celtic Captain should … Step up tae the Plate..
N.. Show Why He has bin Chosen tae Captain the Side..
n.. Steady the Faltering Ship.
Broonie, falls doons in that Dept… every time.. a Situation such as arose ..in Yesterday’s game.
In MA OPINION..n.. It is Only an Opinion.. Mind Ye..
In Ma Opinion..
Ronny, has Tae Get weavin’ n..
Clear oor oor Mid Field..if ..He wants tae Re-Build The Celtic…
That’s.. the Easy Part..
But..
Well..Here is the Hard Part,
He must Find.. Not Just… Merely.. Suitable..
But.. ABLE.. Replacements..
Where wull He Get ‘Em..???
Shucks.. Ah jist done Tole Ye..
THAT.. wul be the HARD PART!
Ah wull be be very Disappointed if Ronny ..disnae Commence tae
Make A Move in TheDirection.. which Ah hiv Oot-Lined…in this Submission.
Nice Chattin’ Pal..
Kojo
Still.Laughin
BGX Goalkeeper err that’s it
BGX
Why not give him time to put what he says onto the park?
I dont understand what the demand for instant success is all about, I cant think of many of our managers over the past few years who have had amazing starts to seasons, or who havent struggled to get their views and points across onto the pitch (excluding O’Neill maybe)
GlassTwoThirdsFull
Or Glenn Hoddle and the french feller Domenech, he’d be good, getting mystic meg in to pick the team based on star sign or what their horoscope told them!
Billy Davies?
cant stand the wee runt. never liked him
i would rather have billy swan
or laura davies
Twists-top man got it 15/2 :}}
Robert88
15:31 on
6 October, 2014
starry plough
What’s David O’leary doing these days?
Hopefully very busy……..
What happens when Wakoso,Berget,Tonev,Guidetti and Deneyer all return to their parent clubs(which i think they will) and when VVD’s off and when Commons doesnt resign..even if some of them are duds, how do we replace that ammount of players?….please dont say ‘play the young bhoys’….if we had a mcGeady in the youths we would have seen him by now….this try before you buy loan players is nonsense…i really think we are in a heap of trouble and only change in direction at board level can stop this slide…
philvisreturns
15:11 on
6 October, 2014
weeron – There is only one thing that is important in football: Winning the next game.
Agree wholeheartedly.
Winning is ultimately the only metric by which a manager’s success or failure can be judged. Everything else is mere commentary, opinion, and blether.
Up to a point, Lord Copper.
But I remember some guy from our past saying something about “pure, beautiful, inventive football”.
And loads and loads of other guys – on here and elsewhere – bemoaning what they saw as the turgid nature of the (predominantly winning) football we played under WGS and NL.
Ronny Deila’s brief is to pull us out of the footballing backwater and transform us – club and team – into a modern, European outfit.
Whether he is the man to do that I don’t know. But the European teams we have been facing over the years are 20 years ahead of us, and to roll that back will take longer than three months.
And if Deila fails, he fails – but the transformation still needs to happen.
Tony Pulis? Billy Davies? Gawd love us – why not add Barry Fry and the restless shade of Jock Wallace to the list?
HH
Many happy returns to ole Bournesouprecipe.
Any team built around stefan Johansen is doomed to failure……..he has been dire……….he was just about passible on the left of a midfield 4 for three or four months last season…….he is a softie……. does absolutely nothing for me……..and far more importantly…… very little for Celtic !!!!!
The ole hand expert coaches are tellin’ the Celts to get their finger out.
Barcabhoy at 15.52
Excellent post, you need to re-post every half hour, it will help all of those on here who have forgotten to take their anger management pills
The ole hand expert coaches are givin’ the ole pollicis versus to the team selection and tactics.
TBB
The Sisters very nice food, very reasonable, ambient
ABC
Always be chomping CSC
looks alot like che
Cheers for the reply!
I’ll be honest … my posts tend to be a bit long, so by the time I finished typing, I saw several others (less wordy than I am) had already responded to you … and I didn’t want you to think we were ‘piling on’ so to speak.
HH
johansen to me just has no effect on the game at all
its not even that i can say what he does is rubbish
he just doesnt do anything
he is an anonymous player
Kojo
I normally ignore your rants but today I’ll rise to the bait. You have said in the past you have never played this beautiful game.??? I suggest you ask people with more actual playing experience at this level;- why so many in the reserves never make it to the big team.???
Robert88….so because what he says Sounds good we give him aChance ….Really..
HT
Hail Hail special Hamilton Tim.
the way things are going at Celtic Park right now I certainly won’t be back
until the next home game.
There. Said it.
Shoot me.
I also think PL should look at Fat Salary. He certainly knows how to make money. Aye ok. It’s for himself but he could teach ole Peter Purrrrrr-fect a thing or two.
MWD said AYE