SPFL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is clear on the subject of offensive singing at football games: “It remains the SPFL’s position that if it can be established that clubs have done everything required in overall management of the event pre-match, during the game and post-match then they have no case to answer”.
This may be the case, but if clubs fail to communicate appropriate instructions to fans after one transgression, which is quickly followed by a second transgression, Doncaster’s defence is moot. The club has failed to do “everything required” pre-match and post-match, and is guilty under the rules, if applied.
Doncaster has employed a rhetorical technique. When faced with a difficult scenario, make a statement which is in itself true, but the parameters of which do not match the scenario.
The chief executive of the Scottish Professional Football League’s comments this morning appear like an attempt to protect a member club from the League’s own rules. He is paid to ensure rules are applied, not negated.
It is no business of his to defer responsibility to the police, or the Justice Ministry, which concocted this inept Offensive Behaviour Act in order to “equalise” criminality, where it didn’t exist, but will not lift a finger on this issue.
What do you know about Andy McAtee? He signed for Celtic from Mossend Hibs in 1910 and left in 1924, having played 438 games on the right wing, scoring 75 goals. He won six league titles and four Scottish Cups and was one of the earliest Celtic heroes. During the Great War he fought in the Alps, and in Haig’s bloody field in the Somme.
When he, and other members of our first genuinely great team, retired, Celtic found it impossible to replace them. We didn’t win another six titles until Inter manager, Helenio Herrera, watched our title win in May 1967.
The Celtic Graves Society mark his final resting place at Kilsyth Cemetery (G5 0TA) at 12:00 on Saturday 28 February. After a graveside blessing, there will be a Q&A with Jim Craig, Tom Boyd and Pat McCluskey, at The Curling Stone pub, High Craigends, Kilsyth. If you can make it along and support the great work of the Society, get there.
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frannyb67
I sure do! I don’t believe for 1 minute that if Tonev played for Sevco he would have got off with racial abuse.
That would mean that the SFA was bent, can’t see it myself…
Mr.Doncaster and Mr.Regan , what have Sevco FC done since their formation in 2012 to eradicate the sectarian and racist singing of their supporters ?
westies
A very Hoopy Birthday to you sir
HH
chippybhoy
17:40 on 24 February, 2015
Ernie,
You don’t seem too keen to answer my questions – meet me on Sunday and we can sort it.
HT – I’m not advocating NMB, but at least they are trying to do something – education in primary schools is a start. It will take a long long time before anti-catholic leanings in this country are a thing of the past – Monaghan 1900 posts from FF show that.
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I’ve worked in primary schools for almost 20 years and I’ve never seen NBM in any establishment I’ve worked in.
Sense over Sectarianism do come in but some of the misinformation that they give the children is deeply worrying.
Sectarian Sevco whilst Celtic and Aberdeen joust for the title.
Are Mac users still getting it, or is it safe to log on?
ChippyBhoy
See those primary schools that NBM are visiting, are they segregated along religious lines?
Cause you know that’s the real cause of sectarianism in Scotland don’t you, separate schools. Just ask anybody. ;-)
HH
SJ
Pat Nevin had the right idea .
Name and shame the singers of sectarian songs at every oppertunity , no matter who they are .
Unfortunately wee Pat ignored this after falsely accusing the Celtic support of singing sectarian songs .
I too have received the generic email from Ms Herbison sadly no reply yet from Irish consulate ?????
I am surprised to have received a reply from clyde
HH
Like most of the media / football authorities / Scottish Government and Police Scotland have done .
Wonder how we’ll fair against Inter without giving them two goals of a start?
Hope Stan Collymore keeps pushing this to a wider audience , it’s the only way this issue will be addressed .
Hills are offering hoops at 19/5 Thursday
No replies from BT Sport? – maybe they’re not going to bother now that the SFA
say everything is fine.
On the zombies
NBM are well intentioned but seem to have fallen in to the trap of needing to be seen as treating both sets of supporters as basically the same!
The songs that our fans sing can be described as either political or offensive depending upon your point of view
The songs that the other lot sing are either offensive or more usually criminal
The OBA was created specifically to even things up
Any group which wants to be taken seriously has to address this fundamental difference.
On moonbeams
Give it up you tiresome fellow!
Your lot lost the referendum months ago yet we are constantly treated to your ill informed whinging
The recent collapse in the price of oil should have been the final wake up call for all those deluded by the SNP drivel about the paradise that an independent Scotland would have been
Rant over
HH
Bourne
I’m also still awaiting a BT reply.
Barrach Obampot
I’m sure he won’t.
I’m sure they haven’t.
HH
SJ
FourGreenFields
well from his last tweet he’s certainly the gist of the situation
@StanCollymore
I believe Scottish football admin/football journalism is fundamentally corrupt.
And will be prove thus in time.
Scots, keep outing them.
Btw my reply toMs Herbison was
Thank you for your generic rather than personal reply . I would like to add that if indeed this is the case then why did Mr Keevins not ask the relevance of Rangers supporters singing “up to their knees in fenian blood” at the cup semi-final?Am I to infer than he finds this song relevant?
I know its petty but it makes my blood boil
HH
Blantyretim
Add Falkirk to it5/2 not a bad wee double.HH
Dena29
Good reply mhate.HH
Birthday Greetings to bhoys,young and not so….Josh and Westie.
HT
They’ve got until Friday and the next episode.
Reply
What more do you expect?
Almost as bad as their sectarian, racist bile is the sad fact that we’re practically powerless to do anything about it.
Paul67 et al
Sad to hear the passing of Joe Beltrami, Glasgow great, even if he was from Rutherglen. Great supporter of Celtic, and great friend of the Club, helped organise the Jimmy Johnstone and Bobby Lennox testimonial back in the 1970s.
“Get me Joe Beltrami!” Heard many a time in Glasgow over the years.
Always remember the first time I met him;
“How do you plead?”
“Guilty, or not guilty?”
God rest Big Joe
BT
No you daftie! :-)
dena29
My reply to her was that since my hearing is so obviously defective when listening to Clyde broadcasts I either need my hearing tested, a new radio or not listen to Clyde. Since the first 2 may well involve an inconvenience and expense I’m not willing to pay, guess what?
HH
SJ
barrach obampot
Seen that earlier mate , hope he doesn’t let this go .
SpanishJohn
this is the very least that should be required but I agree they won’t bother asking
HH
If The Rangers are not sanctioned for the hateful singing at Kirkcaldy last Friday, surely the SFA/SFPL can insist that their support is told over the PA at Ibrox and through the media not to sing those songs. Even David Murray did this.
HT
We should be happy that the new club haven’t joined the rest of the world, as I’ll continue to post they’re toxic and have a very short life expectancy.
“You’ve got to be taught to hate and fear
You’ve got to be taught from year to year
It’s got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade.
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught before it’ s too late
Before you are six , seven or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate”
You’ ve got to be carefully taught.
South Pacific CSC
frannyb67
cheers
HH
I don’t think that Llambias should make any statements of reprimand directed at the choristers of hate after all he wouldn’t want to annoy them and cause social unrest.
ger57
But he was just a big Sugar Daddy
Have Police Scotland issued any responses to the racist / sectarian singing by the Sevco FC support at the Raith Rovers game ?