SPFL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is clear on the subject of offensive singing at football games: “It remains the SPFL’s position that if it can be established that clubs have done everything required in overall management of the event pre-match, during the game and post-match then they have no case to answer”.
This may be the case, but if clubs fail to communicate appropriate instructions to fans after one transgression, which is quickly followed by a second transgression, Doncaster’s defence is moot. The club has failed to do “everything required” pre-match and post-match, and is guilty under the rules, if applied.
Doncaster has employed a rhetorical technique. When faced with a difficult scenario, make a statement which is in itself true, but the parameters of which do not match the scenario.
The chief executive of the Scottish Professional Football League’s comments this morning appear like an attempt to protect a member club from the League’s own rules. He is paid to ensure rules are applied, not negated.
It is no business of his to defer responsibility to the police, or the Justice Ministry, which concocted this inept Offensive Behaviour Act in order to “equalise” criminality, where it didn’t exist, but will not lift a finger on this issue.
What do you know about Andy McAtee? He signed for Celtic from Mossend Hibs in 1910 and left in 1924, having played 438 games on the right wing, scoring 75 goals. He won six league titles and four Scottish Cups and was one of the earliest Celtic heroes. During the Great War he fought in the Alps, and in Haig’s bloody field in the Somme.
When he, and other members of our first genuinely great team, retired, Celtic found it impossible to replace them. We didn’t win another six titles until Inter manager, Helenio Herrera, watched our title win in May 1967.
The Celtic Graves Society mark his final resting place at Kilsyth Cemetery (G5 0TA) at 12:00 on Saturday 28 February. After a graveside blessing, there will be a Q&A with Jim Craig, Tom Boyd and Pat McCluskey, at The Curling Stone pub, High Craigends, Kilsyth. If you can make it along and support the great work of the Society, get there.
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Dena
What bus does big Marty go on
Think my dad gets his away tickets from him
eddieinkirkmichael
Apparently the Reformation was the ‘successful’ conversion of Scotland from a Catholic country to a Protestant one.
The OO ‘hire’ the bands that play at Orange walks.
Oh and the GB are a sectarian group.
I won’t bore you with any others.
Bt,
Is that available to awbdy or just you select few? Lol
Championship on as well…Hmmm Decisions decisions
HH
geordie
Just log in it came up as bonus bet, they usually do it on a Saturday with odds on shots
Normal price 3’s
blantyretim is praying for the Knox family
18:45 on
24 February, 2015
Dena
What bus does big Marty go on
Think my dad gets his away tickets from him
Ballymena shamrocks
HH
Sports Correspondent Rhona McLeod on RS says that Doncaster called the chanting ‘distasteful and shameful’ but admits that ‘no action is likely’.
McLaughlin quotes the line ‘up to our knees in Fenian blood’ as film is shown of Sevco at Kircaldy.
Dena
Cheers, had a block there.
CM on now on Inter match item.
Everyone up for the challenge, and good competition for places, according to Charlie.
Longish…….. but interesting
blantyretim is praying for the Knox family
18:53 on
24 February, 2015
Dena
Cheers, had a block there.
That makes me feel better I thought it was just me had those
HH
Bourne
I do agree with your analysis, however, I don’t believe we or the authorities should stand idly by allowing them to spout racism and sectarianism simply because death is imminent.
I think we agreed on here the other day that the decision not to punish them for Hampden would only result in their bigotry reaching new proportions. Doncaster’s statement today has opened the floodgates.
Haven’t heard many comments from SMSM about the ” black fenian bar steward” chant from Friday night,
Anyhoo I think RD will play JG from the start on Thursday night, and use LG as a impact substitution,
Any news on Denayer’s fitness for Thursday night?
exactly who do the rules apply to ?
what are the rules for ?
why are the police not involved?
looking at someone with hate – shameful and disgraceful but will do nothing
singing about hating someone- shameful and disgraceful but will do nothing
kicking someone you hate – shameful and disgraceful but will do nothing
killing someone you hate – shameful and disgraceful but will do nothing
where is the line drawn ?
sevco is cowardly and unable to act against hatred, spfl is cowardly and unable to act against hatred, the police are cowardly and unable to act against hatred. It’s up to sevco fans to show they don’t accept hatred and shun these fans.
Imagine if Chelsea had said- ‘It was shameful and distasteful for our fans to treat a black person as they did but they are very welcome at our club’.
HT
Agreed the current board will hold no sway with the bigots amoungst their support and I believe King although not actively encouraging it will quite happily let them spout their bile as it suits his agenda and for those reason I agree the situation will only get worse.
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Just been reading back. Absolutely stunned to read one CQNer likening the situation re the Huns singing “we’re up to our knees in fenian blood” and other anti-Catholic chants to the conditions which facilitated the upsurge of Nazi-ism in Germany in the 1930s.
Fur fox ache get a grip.
martybhoy59,
Well done mate. HH
pjbhoynyc-going to NY next month,thinking of going to Brooklyn ,any places to visit?
Bt,
Cheers min.
That’s it on. Fools and their money eh?:)
NBM are exactly the same as the arseholes on here that tell us our songs of freedom have no place at Celtic park, our heritage must be sanitised to suit Scotland’s shameful intolerance, you can sing your laments about being beaten andurdered but you can’t sing about your emancipation or the Scottish intolerance of the Irish struggle.
Too many Celtic supporters agree and agree because they were educated by that intolerant society. Open to all has it’s own problems, biggest problem being, those who should know better have accepted mamon and make every excuse to deny their heritage as long as the money keeps pouring in.
sunny camlachie
Naw, naw, naw! All us fenians must have defective hearing: Shug on Clyde never said that the national anthem and flag of the Republic were sectarian and according to The The Rangers, they didn’t sing ‘black fenian b@stard’, it was the much more jovial ‘wife beating b@stard’. It’s just banter don’t you know.
Right, everybody find your local audiometrist and get down there quick.
It’s not bigotry it’s hearing loss.
HH
SJ
Very Hooopy birthday to both Josh & Westie :-)
And Congrats to Marty59 on the new job
Well done to all
beatbhoy
18:52 on 24 February, 2015
I’m just off the phone to BBC Scotland News desk , I asked why they felt able to mention the sectarian singing but not the racist singing against Stan Collymore . The person I spoke to claimed they were unaware of any racist singing racist comments , I asked him if investigative journalism was dead :-))
His get out attempt was that the SPFL rep at the match hadn’t mention it in his report , I told him that I had received info that the racist singing was included in the report but has been ignored .
He said he would pass on my comments to the relevant people tomorrow.
Delahunt on Clyde. Muppet.
sipsini
Cheers mate
HH
Tom M,
No disrespect to the poster but I concur with you. No links can be made to the horrors which the Jews faced in Germany.
Sadly Europe, most notably its extreme left and right wing loons, hasn’t learnt from its previous treatment of Jews.
ssb is utter mince-i tune in for 10 minutes now and then and i swear you could splice any bits of the last 3 years and it would be the exact same programme-never heard a more indulgent competition-you can hear the relief of the panel when they play it-lol-my god how there is room for a straight talking radio programme
!!Bada Bing!!
19:18 on 24 February, 2015
‘pjbhoynyc-going to NY next month,thinking of going to Brooklyn ,any places to visit?’
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Manhattan.
A Landmark day today for Scottish social justice. In years to come, the eradication of anti social behaviour and bigotry laws will be remembered and attributed to mr neil doncaster and the sfpl. With it went any credibility Scottish football had, any chance we had of securing an improvement in sporting sponsorship and the death of live football on tv.
Who in their right mind would support and put money into the Scottish game when they are gonna be subjected to accusations of supporting an organisation who has no moral fibre and ignores the Laws of the Land that the rest of civilised World adhere to.??
I’m certainly no Chelsea fan, but have to admire the speed of their actions after the embarrassment to their Club last week.
Shameful Scotland.. Shameful.
bhrutus
I made my previous comment after listening for less than a munite. It really is utter garbage.
Andy,
The clubs make the rules, hence Celtic must agree with this policy, no doubt thanks to our own problem element.
Cowiebhoy
Cheers
Police Scotland – Focus division (under OBAFA) doing anything today to justify the extra £3m funding to tackle Sectarianism, under that new law ?
Or is it still being ignored like the cup game ?
Paul 67, agree Doncaster should not be deferring responsibility, but the law as it stands is being broken
Anyone heard anything from our Politicians ? Nicola Sturgeon, Jim Murphy, Ruth Davison, Liberal Guy,( cant remember his name) Patrick Harvey, No, heads still buried in the sand
I got a thankyou message today from Liberal Democrat guy, David Laws, as a thanks for signing a change.org petition to introduce free meals for primary school children, he has now had a response, asking if he could the scottish Goverment better understand anti Catholic/Irish sectarianism, and hold ourcPolice accountable for enforcing the Law,
Wonder if he will respond to this, I believe he is himself a Catholic ?
clone randiest
In a perverse way, the fact that nobody is doing anything to stop their ‘songbook’ will in reality only harm them further as they will continue to embarrass themselves. I cannot see Collymore letting them of the hook. This is very personal for him so every time they step out of line he will be all over them. Which will heap more shame on Sevco and embarrassment on the authorities.
EL any danger of a response to my wee question to you this afternoon? H H Hebcelt
The orcs will sing the full song book on Friday because the SPFL/SFA shat it