Three weeks ago there was little argument against the observation that Ajax had the worst European travelling support we have seen at Celtic Park – half a century of history. Attacks on Celtic fans by a roaming gang on Tuesday night was not a surprise. The banner, which Uefa are trying to ignore, but will surely be shamed into doing something about, was offensive and, in most jurisdictions, a criminal offense.
When the police collaborate it’s hard not to verge into the realms of branding a society “dysfunctional”. Amsterdam is wealthy, affluent, liberal but intolerant, badly policed and violent. The visit of Celtic fans passed with less incident (and arrest of visitors) than most visiting fans endured in recent seasons.
Visit Bruges instead.
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Never trust a diddy striker whose beard blows in the wind.
… those guys who seem to think that the Celtic support are in some way better than every one else … wake up ffs.
those unfortunate enough to have experienced the Dam will testify, that many of our support are no better than the scum we seem to think we are better than.
this week was a watershed in many ways. we have a team, which when we have our best 11, all fit and all playing to their peak, can out perform. Sadly, when not the case, we are just run of the mill. Even worse, our fans, are no better than the rest.
We are the best fans in the world bar none.
mctall
19:48 on 8 November, 2013
Given my chosen profession, i’m on again with my tin hat on following on from the actions by the Dutch plain clothes Stazi, but Bobby Murdoch and yer winkle pickers i’m lead to believe that you were looking for me last week. Anything important??
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Howdy,stranger!
I was merely enquiring after your good health. Been a while since you had been on.
All well in that God-forsaken dump,sorry,Paradise,which is home?
CowieBhoy, painful, but mending.
Pog it had, but worth seeing again, the wee video clip is cracking too.
johnniem
Hun troll
re M. Murray on Talk sport- a deluded creep-what a pity Brazil didnt sort him out-
wouldnt have been too difficult-probably shocked by his lack of awareness
Johnnie m. I was there and are talking absolute bs !
murrays
Oh dear johniem – what’s wrong quiet night on follow follow ?
Johnniem, agree what BSR said, that is so see through. Cheery bye.
Thanks bsr . You got it in one
think johnnybag is best ignored
Murray by any chance ?
NFL rests stars
“NFL set to ring the changes with a starts for Fisher and Atajic”
@CQN
Johniem.
Worried that the truth is coming out?
The msm lies and misinformation doesn’t survive more than a few hours in this digital age.
Only just read back. To Corkcelt sincere condolences on your loss. Try to stay strong for your family.
Seeing the vids of young hoops being given a doing by plain clothes Dutch police and guys dressed like storm troopers is frankly disgusting and depressing.
Our club and our elected representatives should be demanding answers from the Amsterdam authorities about this. They won’t, but should.
I’ve visited the dam a couple of times and always felt it to be a safe, civilised and if not friendly, peaceful place to be. Even the seediest parts of the rlz were fine, a marked contrast from UK cities I have experienced.
It appears though that there is a darkness, apparently attributable to football fan treatment given the Manc clubs, England etc similar fate.
I KNOW that Celtic supporters are at least as less likely to cause trouble as those groups and our record of taking 5 figure travelling supports to supposed hotbeds around Europe is second to none. Having witnessed some of the Ajax support in Glasgow a couple of weeks ago, I knew that the included a bad apple element but to see what can only be described as collusion by the police is deeply depressing.
Seems that the Police in Scotland differ only from those in Amsterdam in our ones harass, assault and bully only one clubs supporters.
Sickened.
To all attending the C outnumber game tomorrow have a great time, sing your hearts out, support whatever team NL puts out and above all stay safe. Ever seen a Dingwall polis in knee high boots. Scary!
Being only an hour or so from chez Sky, I would love to be there but working an early shift keeping all you drunks in Whisky.
Night night to the wonderful place that is CQN
HH
Cowiebhoy 23:09:
Transaction completed, where’s my Team…?:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
…….oh aye……………
“wans as bad as the ither”
Jackanory………..
Jackanory…………….
Jack……………………………………………………….
Aye.
HHH.
Hoops need to change that
1st spot goes to Lennybhoy, as money into account 1st, and team picked Aberdeen
Thanks and good luck to All
Hail Hail
More likely Jack.
I was going to say Jack, or a minion, but I’m not, I like minions, despicable I know, but……
Johnniem- I think a village might just be missing their idiot- maybe get the bus back?
Aaaaaargghhhhh, well done LennyBhoy
A bit dodgy that CowieBhoy, moving the goalposts.
First email was Podium:-)
Skyislandfill . Good shout big man _ . Stuffs there hh
johnniem
How it works is,- we get your ISP, domain and then your’e f**ked down liquidation road.
apologies …. I used the word “many”, when I should have qualified that.
many, of the Celtic support I witnessed, in Amsterdam, where no better than scum.
Don’t let kid ourselvescsc.com
johann murdoch
uv gone an pissed off a whole village now
Cowiebhoy 23:33:
Cheers mate, good luck to Laura, sent her a wee message about my experience…
Good luck to you all, 1 down 49 to go…we can do it, come on you Bhoys in green…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Back at the Ramsdens
“U ok, Hun?”
– post on Fat Sallary’s Facebook wall.
Johnnie m. Go on and qualify it then . Examples please ?
johnniem @ 23:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5SUnKm0XF4
I feel like singing that old jungle fav ” dig a hole and bury him” for our new poster,seems somehow quite apt
Doc, you didn’t even manage the top 3, must have been rubbing your sore foot :-)
In saying that, you may get a special team, for posting the photo, and that defunct mob ain’t in the hat
Hail Hail
It could best be described as the calm before the storm. It would have been impossible to predict what was to come in the hours ahead when a few police officers dressed in riot gear were discovered in Dam Square in the heart of Amsterdam at around 4pm on Wednesday afternoon kicking a ball about amid a gathering of several thousand Celtic fans.
There was plenty of Heineken being sunk by the visiting hordes before the Champions League match with Ajax, the usual plethora of songs being sung and plenty of green-clad figures looking merry enough binging on vast reserves of booze and joints.
In short, nothing nasty. Like Scotland’s Tartan Army, this is how it usually is when Celtic travel abroad.
There was a relaxed mood, perhaps naturally in the reefer capital of Europe, among the visiting fans that makes it seem scarcely believable that around 40 supporters would later find themselves holed up in the back of police vans as running battles involving the local rozzers broke out when darkness descended upon the old place.
Dutch TV station AT5 have reported that six men from Scotland will be detained until November 21 when they could face a court appearance. 12 more ‘escaped’ with €500 fines.
It would be interesting to discover the nationalities of the others involved in the violent scenes, happenings that shamed the local police as much as any of the fans involved.
Having travelled to the Amsterdam ArenA to watch the Glasgow side unearth one of their poorest performances in recent times in losing 1-0, news of a more serious nature would greet the club with the goings on back in the heart of the city.
Upon returning to the town square from the match, tales of violent skirmishes involving Celtic fans, the Dutch police and undercover policemen were all the rage among some dazed visitors.
Most visiting fans looked like they would have had trouble attempting to make sense of the city’s infamous Red Light district, but there was apparently enough life in them to take on the cops.
As Aston Villa manager and former Celtic captain Paul Lambert pointed out on Thursday, it is difficult to swallow the belief that travelling fans were the main culprits of such goings on.
“I played for many years at Celtic and I never encountered any bother,” said Lambert. “I played in the UEFA Cup final and we took over maybe 80-90,000 to Seville and there was not one arrest while we were there. Knowing the club and the fans the way I do, I find it incredible. I’m not sure they would have started anything.”
A more believable tale comes from an eye witness who claimed hooded Ajax casuals emerging from the shadows were guilty of prompting the trouble.
The club’s statement about a “high degree of provocation” is watertight.
When the drink is in the wit is out. It does not take much to set off a chaotic sequence of events by tossing a few bottles like petrol on a bonfire, especially when it seems to have been pre-planned by Dutch hooligans, but there is something deeply sinister about how local police handled the visiting fans.
Why was there a need for undercover police to mingle among the travelling fans? How many of those involved in the trouble had leanings towards Ajax? How many had a penchant for unnecessary violence?
These are all issues that have to be addressed as much as the police victims left strewn across the city centre amid the carnage. Judge for yourself on the video. Police training in the art of appropriate force is tossed to the wind like the flying debris that apparently made its way into the saturated surroundings.
From this vantage point of a good day out turned rotten, I would suggest some of those Dutch police were not acting in self-defence, but were grown men looking for trouble behind a badge. In my opinion, grown men looking to inflict damage with needless acts of violence. A pub frequented by Celtic fans publicly apologised to the visitors for the treatment doled out to them.
Could you imagine the outrage there would be in this country if a policeman began laying into a football fan with such an assault? Could you image the furore there would be if a British officer encouraged a dog to take a chunk of a fan’s knee while his colleague held him? It seems to me that police brutality has never been so obvious.
Ajax casuals had also invaded a bar the night before the match to make off with a Celtic flag. It is fair to say Ajax boast an element of supporters whose behaviour is at odds with the tranquil surroundings of their city.
Their supporters are facing punishment from UEFA for their conduct in Glasgow a fortnight ago, and their brandishing of an offensive banner on Wednesday.
Celtic have turned up at various places on the continent in recent times with little trouble including cities such as Milan, Barcelona and Lisbon.
This onlooker is not for one minute suggesting Celtic fans are whiter than white. No club can take 13,000 with them to the Netherlands, and expect everybody to behave themselves.
One aggressive sort had a go at me for donning an orange top, suggesting the lowest common denominator can still board a plane; but the vast majority of the Glasgow club’s followers travel well around Europe. Ask the mayor of Seville about Celtic’s fans.
That Celtic’s supporters should run into such chaotic scenes in the Netherlands says more about Ajax fans and the incompetence of the Amsterdam Police than it does Celtic’s travelling support.
“This happens all the time with Ajax,” an apologetic Dutch fan told me the other night.
He was right. Manchester United fans were confronted by Ajax casuals during their Europa League match in Amsterdam last February, while around 25 Manchester City followers were picked up by police after battling with Ajax fans last October.
On the plane home yesterday, a ravaged Celtic follower made one telling statement that suggested Ajax’s fans had sickened him off the joint, if not the joint. “I would never go back to Amsterdam to watch Celtic,” he said.
Sad but wise. Amsterdam is a football city, but one that is better visiting when there is no football on.
@desmond kane
Johnniem dear oh dear – I was in Amsterdam – I saw nothing about what allegedly you felt was scum behaviour – what flight were you on and where’s did you stay ? – or please rearrange the following words into a well known phrase or saying – are u a complete and utter Hun knobhead ?
Let us know hh
Good Mhan CowieBhoy.
Money will be in the bank tomorrow.
Here’s an idea.
In future why don’t we just pick safe places in europe
to go to for a couple of days and have a party.
We’re the biggest draw in the CL
So tell them we’ve had enough being treated like crap.