Facing systems in flux

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Motherwell started the season as Scotland’s first laughingstock, losing home and away to Sligo Rovers (apologies for the unavoidable slight, Rovers).  Their fragility was soon resolved with wins at St Mirren and Aberdeen, and home to Livingston, in their opening four league fixtures.

Since that win over Livi nine weeks ago, results dipped.  Defeat at Kilmarnock, a home draw against Dundee United and a thrashing at home to Hearts last time out (although they comfortably disposed of Inverness in the League Cup during this spell), suggest a system very much in flux.  Oh, how we’ve been there.

Steven Hammell was confirmed as permanent manager in August.  He clearly has the backing of his players and brought a system that can bloody the nose of most teams in the league.  I suspect, however, that the same system’s fragilities are now well know.  Hearts soaked up waves of attacking play at Fir Park, before delivering three sucker punches without reply.

Ange Postecoglou will be desperate to get this game underway to put the debacle of Paisley behind him.  The trip to Germany will also be on his mind, though I don’t expect anyone to be rested tomorrow.  Ideally, we will secure the points early on and allow the manager to rest his captain and a few others.  Some of the early brilliance we have seen in games from Celtic this season should be enough.

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  1. BRRB

     

    You could always move your bed into one of the cellars of the many pubs you visit, win win

  2. GREENPINATA on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2022 12:25 PM

     

     

     

    ‘I am aware that many regard Celtic as zn Irish team playing in Scotland.

     

     

     

     

    Using that analogy, Is Millwall a Scottish team ?’

     

     

     

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    Were the Scots involved in the founding of Millwall not originally from Ireland or at least of Irish extraction?

     

     

    So maybe Millwall and Celtic are both Irish.

  3. Maybe because I come originally from Parkhead, I am more used to be simply being asked if I’m going to the gemme. No need to ask where.

     

     

    I think I think of the ground as Parkheid. But I have no problem with Celtic Park or the occasional Paradise. Thankfully no one has ever referred to it as Parkers, in my hearing.

  4. POR CIERTO on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2022 12:47 PM

     

     

    You know what, “Parkhead” was used to describe Celtic Park and still is, as a way for Currant Buns and their friends in the media not to use the word Celtic! It sticks in their craw, and as that is what we continually hear and read then little wonder it did become the norm for Celtic fans to start using the same terminology. Of, course I know when someone says their going to “Parkhead”, and I know they are going to see the “Vanessa Feltz”. It’s just something that I don’t like to use. Totally personal for everyone to use what they see fit, por cierto.

     

     

    Well said,our vermin media want to control narrative with Celtic and most don’t realise the use of Celtic in calling Celtics ground Celtic Park.

     

     

    You are correct to the loo rolls it’s Parkhead….

     

    Well we know the depths their readership label it!

     

     

    Celtic men and woman should call it Celtic Park,the use of it states you dissent any dilution of the Celtic name.its ours.

     

     

    Noo if am gaun tae Asda in the forge,am gaun tae Parkhead.

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

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    Emerald Bee

     

     

    Rest up mate and take your time,we already have a few doubtful for tomorrow,make sure your available for Leipzig.:-)) keep it lit good Celt

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

     

    Take it easy

  5. A BBC reporter, think it was Lorna Gordon, kept calling Celtic Park, the stadium, when she was doing a live broadcast for Reporting Scotland an hour or so before the opening ceremony for the Commonwealth Games.

  6. Regarding the name of our stadium.

     

    Fergus was quoted as saying it should always be referred to as Celtic Park.

     

    The name Celtic should be broadcasted across the world .

     

    It should never be called anything else ,stick it to the vermin and their friends in the media HH

  7. Ernie Lynch @1.50

     

     

    Pretty sure Millwall had a very strong Scottish connection- the Lion in their crest is derived from the Lion Rampant too. Big ex-pat contingent in the area in the 1880s played their part in founding and supporting their new club.

     

     

    I think it is West Ham of the London Clubs that initially had a big Irish support- I could be wrong but ground adjacent to the old Boleyn Ground was owned by the Catholic Church too. I very much doubt whether Millwall or The Irons would now think of themselves as being a Scottish or Irish club in anyway.

     

     

    I remember when I was younger- 50 years ago collecting a magazine that built up to being an encyclopedia of football and reading about both clubs and accept I might have got the origins of the two clubs mixed up.

     

     

    Jimbo

  8. ParkheadcumSalford

     

     

    You locals call it what youz want,youz are exempt :-)

     

    My mums friends stayed in London Rd,they had a range of terms,

     

    Up the road

     

    Along the road

     

    Down the road

     

    Over the road

     

    All roads leading to our team Celtic

     

    :-)

     

    HH

  9. OK how about a friendly songs contest :

     

     

    I can name at least 3 songs referencing Parkhead.

     

     

    Can’t think of one mentioning Celtic Park. But I’m sure some on here will be able to.

     

     

    Aside from that. A while ago I was in a boozer in Merchant City having a good old sing song. Asked the young compare for the Holy Ground. He went blank.

     

     

    Finegirlya’arecsc

  10. What is the Starz on

    I feel obliged to defend the League of Ireland.

     

    Sligo beating Motherwell was no surprise to me or any League of Ireland fan.

     

    Apart from the big two the standard of the league is probably better than the SPL.

     

    yes facilities and grounds aren’t very good but in the last 10 years Dundalk have been in Europa League group stages twice and Shamrock rovers have been in Europa League group stages and Conference League group stages…Outside of US and TFOD no SPL side has managed that with the exception of Hearts this year.Please don’t dismiss Irish football in this manner. It has many problems but the standard is better than most SPL teams

  11. I have a neighbour-cum-friend who is an ex-Rangers and Scotland footballer from the 80s & 90s. We have recently watched Scotland games in our local pub.

     

     

    He was in receipt of an EBT at Ibrox and spilled the beans somewhat re its operation.

     

     

    When a player was approached with a view to transferring to Rangers, especially big-name English and foreign stars, they would tell the player or his agent how much net pay they could expect. This was apparently necessary to get the likes of Wood, Klos, Laudrup, Butcher etc to even take the approach beyond the telephone call.

     

     

    It was only when the player agreed to sign that the subject of EBTs and cover letters was introduced that some prospective signings baulked at the idea. Invariably the club lawyer was able to reassure the player and/or agent that it was all legal and above board. Some players were harder to convince than others. In all cases they were told that if they did not agree to the proposed EBT, the deal was off.

     

     

    I was told that at least two players that he knew of point blank refused to have anything to do with an EBT and were happy to walk away from a deal.

     

     

    One of them was Alessandro del Piero. Apparently the Italian had agreed terms but demanded the net pay quoted during initial contact, but through the standard tax system. Rangers told him they could not do that. It was an EBT or no deal. Del Piero walked away and caught the next flight back to Italy.

     

     

    Funnily enough, I remember driving along the Edinburgh bypass from the office one evening many years ago when Chick Young on BBC Radio Scotland announced that del Piero was in advanced signing talks with Rangers. I felt sick. He was a world class player and he was going to sign for THEM.

     

     

    Next morning, nothing in the radio or TV. Not a word in the papers. Weeks went by. The BBC and Chick Young never mentioned del Piero again. Only last Tuesday night did it all finally make sense.

     

     

    My friend could not or would not tell me the name of the other player who walked away from an EBT. He said it was his belief that if del Piero had signed, Rangers would have won the Champions League. We’ll never know.

     

     

    I saw del Piero in Brisbane about 10 years ago playing for Sydney FC against Ange Postecoglou’s Brisbane Roar. It was the twilight of his career. I recalled the time I was depressed at the thought of the legendary Italian moving to Govan and even wondered if I had imagined Chick Young’s dramatic news scoop.

     

     

    Of course, all of this could only be kept under wraps with the agreement of a compliant media. Now there’s a surprise.

  12. So when was Ibrox Park renamed Ibrox Stadium and by whom? In the 90’s by moonbeams Murray? I have always known it as Ibrox Park.

  13. garygillespieshamstring on

    CCV, GG and Karl missing. Rest all available.

     

    Should be fine as long as Welsh and Jenz stand up against the big thug Moult.

     

     

    Sorry about initials. :)

  14. JIMBO67 on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2022 2:14 PM

     

     

     

    I think the ‘Scots’ involved in founding Millwall were tinsmiths who moved to London from Dundee when their employer opened a canning factory there. I’m pretty sure they were originally from Ireland.

     

     

    I also read somewhere, can’t remember where, that the lion thing isn’t a Scottish connection.

  15. Jim Hacker

     

     

    I still thought it was Ibrox Park but apparently when all the bits got filled in it became Ibrox Stadium. They used to refer to it as The Stadium (don’t forget that capital T) in their programme (c1971) – Ibrox Park must have been a bit too plebeian for them.

     

     

    Jimbo

  16. Greenpinata. There’s an old Glasgow song titled ” When I leave old Glasgow behind ” and one of the lines in it is: ” I’ll leave you Celtic Park for the Celtic “.

     

     

    My granda used to sing it and I am in my seventies.

  17. garygillespieshamstring on

    Jim Hacker

     

     

    Always known it as Ibrox Stadium although their preference was that the club was known as The Rangers and the ground was to be referred to as The Stadium.

     

     

    The insistence on the use of the definite article when referring to the club or ground was a supremacy thing in the same as the “wee arrow people” stuff.

     

     

    I’m in my mid 60s and started going to see Celtic when I was six, and it was known as a stadium then and probably for many years before.

  18. I’ve always thought it a bit Hyacinth Bucket to call it Celtic Park.

     

     

    It’s like your ‘Sunday name’. Technically correct, but a bit prim and precious. Favoured by OCD types. Although they should really be called CDO types, so the letters are in alphabetical order.

  19. I think I saw a ” corpy” bus with a destination of Celtic Park.

     

     

    Awaiting incoming from the PC brigade pedantically stating : It’s not a Corporation Bus, it a First Omnibus. 🤣🤣🤣

  20. Parkhead is preferred by non-logical minds who can’t conceive that Parkhead is the local area that houses Celtic Park.

     

     

    If someone says they are going to Parkhead, they’re not wrong because you have to go to Parkhead to get to Celtic Park.

  21. garygillespieshamstring on

    Personally, I don’t mind what a Celtic supporter calls it as it is ours to refer to it as we feel at any given time.

     

     

    However I get annoyed when the. media and other fans refer to it as Parkhead as they use it as a way of showing scorn for us or as a way of avoiding the use of “Celtic”.

  22. I’m sure when I was a teenager the only Barrowfield I knew was a scheme Dalserf Street were the present Ticket office is today ,in fact I think a lot of the houses over the years have been renovated,back to the training ground it was called Westhorn Park .

  23. And when I was a bhoy growing up in Brigton Celtic Park was never mentioned it was always called Parkheid.

  24. bigrailroadblues on

    The hun can’t say the name Celtic. They won’t wear anything resembling green etc. Any more brains they would be fecking halfwits.

  25. garygillespieshamstring on

    I can remember it being called Barrowfield Park and also Westhorn.

     

    Barrowfield a bit of a strange one as Barrowfield was the Stamford Street area and the training ground is actually nearer to Lillybank housing scheme.

     

     

    Whether there was a Barrowfield juniors back in the day who played on that ground is a mystery to me.

  26. Ernie Lynch @ 2.50

     

     

    Looked up the Lion thing on Google and you are right. In fact the Lion was only adopted as part of their crest after the Boer War ( 2nd one) – another ‘fact’ I have known since childhood that is not a fact at all. Nothing I read made any reference to their being Irish workers although if the workers decanted into dockland from Dundee quite a few would have been Irish though.

     

     

     

    Jimbo