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Motherwell started the season as Scotland’s first laughingstock, losing home and away to Sligo Rovers (apologies for the unavoidable slight, Rovers).  Their fragility was soon resolved with wins at St Mirren and Aberdeen, and home to Livingston, in their opening four league fixtures.

Since that win over Livi nine weeks ago, results dipped.  Defeat at Kilmarnock, a home draw against Dundee United and a thrashing at home to Hearts last time out (although they comfortably disposed of Inverness in the League Cup during this spell), suggest a system very much in flux.  Oh, how we’ve been there.

Steven Hammell was confirmed as permanent manager in August.  He clearly has the backing of his players and brought a system that can bloody the nose of most teams in the league.  I suspect, however, that the same system’s fragilities are now well know.  Hearts soaked up waves of attacking play at Fir Park, before delivering three sucker punches without reply.

Ange Postecoglou will be desperate to get this game underway to put the debacle of Paisley behind him.  The trip to Germany will also be on his mind, though I don’t expect anyone to be rested tomorrow.  Ideally, we will secure the points early on and allow the manager to rest his captain and a few others.  Some of the early brilliance we have seen in games from Celtic this season should be enough.

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  1. Saint Stivs on

    The people who built stonehenge, didnt know it was called stonehenge, they called it something else

     

     

    Stone-ers

  3. Tom McLaughlin on

    AN TEARMANN

     

     

    The alleged attempted signing of del Piero was during the years they were signing lots of big names like Laudrup, Klos, Gazza, Kancelskis etc, so not the days when rudiculous names were being quoted. Also, del Piero was never mentioned apart from that one time by Chick Young. My friend didn’t know about that until I mentioned it. Also, a few people in my office and on my CSC also heard the Chick Young newsflash. We all thought he had lost his marbles as the Italian’s name was never heard again.

  5. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Celtic Mac- never ceases to amaze me, the amount of games they try to cram into December, World Cup or not….

  7. Saint Stivs on

    A wee bit of local history someone mentioned westthorn, slightly to the east of our Barrowfied training facility.

     

    The allotments behind us are still called the westthorn allotments.

     

     

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    Westthorn House, photographed in 1870 by Thomas Annan.

     

     

    The Westthorn Estate, situated between Belvidere and Dalbeth on the north bank of the River Clyde, was held by the Wardrop family for many generations. In 1819 it was acquired by the distiller Thomas Harvey or Harvie, who built the mansion. Additions were made in 1830.

     

     

    Harvey built two high walls (known as “Harvey’s Dykes”) at the east and west end of the estate, to block public access to a riverside path that crossed his estate. In 1822 a rioting mob was dispersed by the militia as it attempted to pull down one of the dykes. A famous and drawn-out legal action commenced, and Harvey was forced to grant public access to the path.

     

     

    Reference: Sp Coll Dougan Add. 73

     

     

    https://www.theglasgowstory.com/images/TGSB00325.jpg

  9. Saint Stivs on

    The definitive piece of evidence, the founders called it Celtic Park, end of, your honour

     

     

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    Celtic membership card, 1887

     

     

    This illustration shows the first membership card issued by Celtic FC, for season 1887-1888. It belonged to Dr. John Conway, the club’s first honorary president.

     

     

    Celtic were founded in 1887 as a charitable institution to assist the poor in Glasgow’s East End. Brother Walfrid, a Marist Brother, was a driving force and is credited with the choice of name for the club. The first playing field was adjacent to Janefield Cemetery, in Parkhead. The present Celtic Park was opened in 1892, and hosted several international matches in its early years.

     

     

    https://www.theglasgowstory.com/images/TGSA00548_m.jpg

  13. An Tearmann on

    Setting Free The Bears

     

     

    Enjoy yourself,the blues dont have the same impact here as were you are.;-) hope those storms keep away,

     

    Looking forward to the morra,a real game to sample and a brusque run of games..

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    PamAyresCsc:-)

  14. bigrailroadblues on

    An Tearmann, I appreciate your efforts young fella. Any spare you can get I shall make a donation to the charity of choice of the season book holder. I’ll be on standby and ready to invade Celtic Park, Parkhead, Paradise, Holy Ground. 🤣

  18. An Tearmann on

    TomMcLaughlin

     

     

    Ta for reply,👍 There was a host of them Tom,top class Champions league winners,as I mention Rivaldo,Ronaldo,Mendieta and others Tom,recall this was a support who were going to have a floating pitch,retractable roof and were the people.kanchelskis transfer reeked,so did the sale and buy back to Marseill of Stevens,

     

     

    Guys like Murray don’t happen to come across nefarious tax practices,they move along them from generation to generation,and in the case of rfc at that point in time dos/ebts and feral accounting practice where his norm .He confirmed this in his evidence to Her Majesty,as Mr Black,they implemented the policy knowing it would give them an advantage.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  19. bigrailroadblues on

    An Tearmann, they have been criminals/perverts since the time the Gallant Pioneers rowed up the Clyde in their underwear. Plus ca change anaw that.

  22. ernie lynch on

    No one denies that the official name for the stadium is Celtic Park.

     

     

    What is being discussed is the extent to which, over the generations, fans have referred to the stadium as Parkhead in preference to the official name.

     

     

    And whether there are any particular reasons (generational, geographical, attitudinal, class, ethnicity etc) for the preference.

     

     

    As far as I’m concerned it’s always been Parkhead and I’ve never encountered a Celtic fan who took exception to the name.

  23. RC on

    will always be Celtic Park to me , always referred to as Parkhead by thems only because they can’t or won’t say Celtic.

  26. jimbo67 on

    St Stivs

     

     

    I do not think calling our stadium ‘Celtic Park’ is a middle class or yuppie affectation. I’ll keep my thoughts on those who believe that or who upbraid children for doing so to myself. People I know have always used Celtic Park or Parkhead or, less often perhaps, Paradise. But…

     

     

    Nobody, not even the Great Initialman himself, is denying that the official name and always has been Celtic Park. It is all about what is the ‘real’ name is. That is what the argument is about. It seems an increasingly pointless one .

     

     

    Jimbo

  30. bigrailroadblues on

    Ernie Lynch 6.53.

     

    Aye indeed. We are having a good humoured debate about our stadiums name and the huns maybe, just maybe are going down the cludgie again. Makes me laugh. Be rude not to.

  32. tonyrome on

    Hi Bhoys

     

     

    Re the name of our ground I believe when discussing it in public you should always call it Celtic Park because it gets right up they f*****s noses. When among our own call it what you like.

     

     

    KEEP THE FAITH

  37. scullybhoy on

    http://www.millwall-history.org.uk/Origins.htm

     

     

    So why did the Isle of Dogs, by the 1880’s grow to be a solid working class district full of football mad immigrants from the North and Scotland. Its a story that encompasses the growth of London, the Age of Empire and the development of working class leisure time. Why after 25 years did Millwall Football Club uproot and move to New Cross on the other side of the river.

     

     

    On the following pages: A Potted History of London and its growth , the Isle of Dogs and South East London.

     

     

    It’s become the one fact included in every write up about Millwall. Millwall FC Founded by Scotsmen working at Morton’s Jam Factory on the Isle of Dogs.

     

     

    Let’s explore this and other myths that have grown up about the founding of Millwall Rovers in 1885.

     

     

    Did Scotsmen found Millwall Rovers? This seems to be the impression that many people who have read Jim Murray’s book seem to take from it. Actually what Jim wrote was: “A group of workers in a preserve factory – many of them Scottish, some English – were convinced they could form a football team to give other local clubs a tough time.”

     

     

    A Scottish flavour certainly, reflected in their choice of colours for the kit of Navy Blue and White. The names of some of players in Millwall first season show the cosmopolitan mix that was the Isle of Dogs in those days. Duncan Hean (Capt) George Oliver, J Reekie, Patrick Holohan, Owen Elias, Henry Gunn, Tom Jessup, Joe Potter, Fred Northwood, John Rowland, James Crawford, Harry Butler & George Syme. The Club Secretary was 17-year-old Jasper Sexton, the son of the Landlord of the Islander pub in Tooke Street where Millwall Rovers held their meetings. The First Chairman of the Club was Irish International and Local GP Dr William Murray-Leslie.

     

     

    What there definitely isn’t any hint of is a group of Scottish Football Missionaries invading the Isle of Dogs and inspiring the locals to found a football club, which certainly is the pattern in some parts of the world. Millwall Rovers was a working mans team, not a works team, founded by young ‘Londoners’ with the luxury of leisure time on Saturday afternoon, a recent social change in Britain, to indulge in the English mania for football.

     

     

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

     

    Hmmmmmm

     

    An Irish club – oh dear.

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