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Motherwell started the season as Scotland’s first laughingstock, losing home and away to Sligo Rovers (apologies for the unavoidable slight, Rovers).  Their fragility was soon resolved with wins at St Mirren and Aberdeen, and home to Livingston, in their opening four league fixtures.

Since that win over Livi nine weeks ago, results dipped.  Defeat at Kilmarnock, a home draw against Dundee United and a thrashing at home to Hearts last time out (although they comfortably disposed of Inverness in the League Cup during this spell), suggest a system very much in flux.  Oh, how we’ve been there.

Steven Hammell was confirmed as permanent manager in August.  He clearly has the backing of his players and brought a system that can bloody the nose of most teams in the league.  I suspect, however, that the same system’s fragilities are now well know.  Hearts soaked up waves of attacking play at Fir Park, before delivering three sucker punches without reply.

Ange Postecoglou will be desperate to get this game underway to put the debacle of Paisley behind him.  The trip to Germany will also be on his mind, though I don’t expect anyone to be rested tomorrow.  Ideally, we will secure the points early on and allow the manager to rest his captain and a few others.  Some of the early brilliance we have seen in games from Celtic this season should be enough.

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  2. What is the Starz on

    It was always Parkhead to me and to any of my Scottish cousins…

     

    However I never encountered anyone who argued about it…until I discovered CQN

     

     

    who would win a fight etc….

  3. scullybhoy on

    Celtic tie down starlet on new contract

     

    2 hrs ago

     

    By Aidan Macdonald

     

     

    Celtic have tied down promising youth player Ben Summers on a new contract.

     

     

    The midfielder has committed his future to the club until 2025.

  7. Saint Stivs on

    Kille fan calling clyde.

     

     

    disgrace that he did this, utter disgrace, unacceptable what he did, but we need clarity 50,000 fans use this language every 2nd week,

  9. voguepunter on

    BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2022 5:54 PM

     

    Celtic have nine games this October

     

     

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    Celtic had two games in the wan day a long time ago .hh

  12. scullybhoy on

    Celtic had led for the majority of the game, but when Linfield equalised the crowd invaded the pitch and went after several of the Celtic players. Jimmy Jones, Celtic’s centre-forward, was kicked unconscious and had his leg broken, while Kevin McAlinden – who had represented Great Britain at the 1948 Olympics – and Robin Lawlor were also beaten. The police stood by and did nothing.

     

     

    Ironically, Jones was a Protestant, as were six members of the Celtic team that day, including captain Harry Walker. Linfield at the time operated a sectarian signing policy that excluded Catholics, a policy which would last until well into the 1980s.

  19. ernie lynch on

    SCULLYBHOY on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2022 7:20 PM

     

     

    ‘Hmmmmmm

     

     

     

     

    An Irish club – oh dear.’

     

     

     

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    Maybe not as outlandish as you might think.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ‘Richard Edmunds ⋅ FEBRUARY 22, 2019 AT 11:04 AM

     

    My grandfather aged 88, is the grandson of Mary Holohan. He has memories of his great uncle Patrick Holohan who died when he was 17. He was the true founder of the club. Patrick and Mary’s parents came to Dundee from Leitrim, ireland to escape the famine in 1849. They had tough times there, so Pat and his best friend Dvaid Hean trained up as Tinsmiths, and shortly after Pat’s 21st Birthday, in March 1878, headed down to London to find work. They were both took on by J.T.Morton, the Preserved Provisions Manufacturer, established in Rosemount Aberdeen City in March 1849, by Londoner John Thomas Morton, who in 1872 had opened his first London Cannery on the site of a disused Oil Works, at West Ferry Road, Millwall, Isle of Dogs. Patrick and David are living together opposite the factory at 72 Manilla Road, Poplar on the 1881 Census.

     

     

    Patrick was an avid sports fan, and began playing Saturday football with J.T. Mortons work team which, being mostly made up of Scottish workers, relocated from the original Aberdeen Plant, including Mary’s future husband, my great-grandad Alec Gordon. They called themselves the ‘Iona’ and wore the Blue and White of Scotland. This team was initially little more than an informal kick about squad, and often had trouble making up numbers.

     

     

    The following year David Heans younger brother Duncan ( 6 years younger than Patrick) came down to London to join them, having followed their example and trained as a tinsmith. He was as football mad as Patrick, and persuaded him they should together start up a ‘proper team’ and enter the local leagues. They recruited players from a local pub and working mens club they used, ‘The Islander’ of Tooke Street, run by Irishman Maurin Sexton. His 17 year old son Joseph became the teams first secretary, they reused the same kit and colours of the previous works team, but rechristened the new team as the ‘Millwall Rovers’. That was Patrick’s choice as he was also the founding member of the ‘Millwall Rovers Cycling Club’ a year earlier.

     

     

    The new name also better reflected the more cosmopolitan mix of the founding 13 players, eight were native Londoners, four were Scots and one a Welshman. Only one other, Harry Butler, was also employed at Mortons. Butler was a packer in the Tea Department, not a tinsmith like Pat and Duncan.. The rest were local men drawn from a wide variety of occupations, including a Slater, a Greengrocer, a Plumber, an Engineer, an Accountant, a Bricklayer, and two local Dock Workers. The Dockers became the new clubs knickname as it was the most common occupation of their local followers on the isle of Dogs.

     

     

    They found a sponsor in local Scottish Doctor William Murray-Leslie, who found them their first homeground on disused land near his surgery at Glengall Road, a stonesthrow from The Islander Pub and Mortons. The team played their first game in the Autumn of that year 1885 in Leytonstone. They lost heavily, but it was nevertheless a learning curve and was followed by an unbroken string of wins. Their very first victory was greeted by a firework display and street party on their return to the Islander Pub showing the widespread support the team enjoyed from the local population from the very start. At their first New Year Party December 31 1885, Patrick led the celeberations playing ‘Auld Lang Syne’ on his violin, with his team mates accompanying him with singing.

     

     

    The team went on to win the East End Cup two seasons later in 1887. Patrick, being one of the older players, was only a regular for the first season, and was happy to step aside for the young bloods as his team grew. He carried on following them avidly as they went from strength to strength and through their many sucesses in the years to come. They moved to a new ground and changed their name to Millwall Athletic in 1894. Sadly Duncan Hean died that year, at just 31 from an injury picked up playing for the club.

     

     

    Two years later, in 1896 Pat was sued by his fiancee Alice Gunn for breach of promise. 16 years his junior, Alice was the younger sister of William Henry Gunn, one of Pat’s fellow 13 founding members of Millwall Football Club. She claimed Pat regularly stood her up to go and watch Millwall every Saturday and had broken off the wedding three times already. Alice won the case, which was reported on the front pages of The Times with the headline ‘Potted Jam and Poetry’ which shows even then Mortons was commonly assosciated with the potted Jams they made, though as you point out this was just a small part of the real business. Pat, who was by now manager of a rvial provisions factory in Sibly Road, East Ham, went bankrupt as a result, going into liquidation and administration.

     

     

    In the newspaper reports Patrick expressed the wish to remain single until his mother passed away. She is reported as wishing him to marry a certain ‘Scot Lassie’, and threatening to burn her life insurance policy if Patrick instead honoured his engagement with Alice Gunn.A month after his mothers death, at their home on the Millwall docks, Limehouse, in October 1899, Patrick returned to Dundee where he was finally married, aged 42, to the ”Scot Lassie’ Elizabeth O’Farrel, a Pawnbroker, in St Andrews Roman Catholic Church, on the 43rd Anniversary of his parents marriage in the same church.

     

     

    He remained devoted to the club he had founded and left both his home in Liemhouse and his job in East Ham to cross the water with them to South London when they relocated in 1910. He was by then widowed, and had recently lost his only daughter too to childhood illness. He remained single the rest of his life.

     

     

    Like Duncan Hean, many of the original Millwall 13 met early and tragic ends. One missed his footing in fog, whilst working on the Millwall docks, fell in the Thames and and drowned in 1900. Pat died a few months short of his 90th birthday, in 1947, in Nazareth House, Iselworth, a Catholic Orphanage and Convent which provided residential Nursing Care for elderly Catholics. He was the last but one of the surviving Millwall originals.

     

     

    https://borussiabeefburg.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/millwalls-scottish-myth/

  21. ernie lynch on

    And as for the Cesar v Caesar debate, they’re both wrong.

     

     

    The correct name is William McNeil. That’s what’s on the birth certificate.

  22. Bhoyjoebelfast on

    SCULLYBHOY:

     

    May have missed it,but who is the Celtic player who scored for and against England?

  24. scullybhoy on

    JOE – I found this very interesting.

     

     

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    Reynolds, John

     

     

    Fullname: John Reynolds

     

    aka: Jack Reynolds, Baldy Reynolds,

     

    Born: 21 Feb 1869

     

    Died: 12 March 1917

     

    Birthplace: Blackburn

     

    Signed: 3 May 1897

     

    Left: 14 Jan 1898 (free); 28 Jan 1898 (Southampton)

     

    Position: Full Back

     

    Debut: Celtic 1-4 Rangers, (at neutral ground) Charity Cup, 11 May 1897 (scored once)

     

    Internationals: England / Ireland / English League

     

    International Caps: 5 / 1 / 4

     

    International Goals: 8 / 3 / 0

     

     

    Biog

     

    Jack Reynolds

     

     

    John Reynolds was an experienced left-half who came to Celtic having spent the best years of his football career in England.

     

     

    A veteran International player who appeared for both England and Ireland, and even played (& scored) for England in a match v Scotland at Celtic Park in a 2-2 draw in 1894. He has the incredible record of being the first of just two players to have ever played both for and against England. Certainly the only one to score against England. So quite a feat, with the added note that he was seen as an Irishman playing for England to score against Scotland away at the ground of the [then referred to] ‘Irish club’ Celtic (for whom he signed up for later).

     

     

    The Blackburn-born Irish and English international had picked up three FA Cup winners medals with Aston Villa prior to his arrival at Parkhead in May 1897.

     

     

    He made his debut on 11th May 1897, and although he scored, Celtic were defeated 4-1 by Rangers in the Charity Cup final.

     

     

    Into the new season, he made only four league appearances and one Glasgow Cup appearance and after failing to impress was released in January 1898. He was said to have been destroyed by McKenzie of Clyde in the Glasgow Cup (18th Sep 1897), after which he had to wait two months before getting a further chance in the first team.

     

     

    Celtic actually never lost in a league match he played in, drawing just the once, and he scored in a 2-1 win over Hibernian. A wit would argue on his goal that it was an Irishman that scored for Celtic, but an Englishman that scored against Hibs.

     

     

    Willie Goldie appears to have been preferred for the first team ahead of John Reynolds for the season. Celtic went on to win the league that season.

     

     

    Known as ‘Baldy Reynolds‘, he compensated for his lack of speed by his vast experience and seemingly telepathic positional sense. However, his best days were behind him. He was a very much travelled man having played for countless teams, and he was nearing the end as it was. His body was likely physically exhausted by the time he arrived and Celtic was a step too far.

     

     

    After retiring from football he earned a living from the Yorkshire coalfields as a collier.

     

     

    Away from the pitch, he was on the road to ruin. One of the most highly paid players of his day, he spent much of his money on drink and a lot of time in female company (so not too far off the model of many future players).

     

     

    At one stage he disappeared from his then club after having been on a drinking binge for a week. He fathered at least one child out of wedlock (less socially acceptable in those days).

     

     

    His heavy drinking eventually blighted his career and he sadly died alone in a boarding house at the age of 48.

     

     

    He passed away in 1917.

     

     

    His final days were an ignominious end to his life:

     

     

    “IS IT JOHN REYNOLDS?

     

    “There would seem to be good grounds for believing that John Reynolds, the great Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion half-back of a former generation, is dead. His father, Mr George Reynolds, who lives at Blackburn, where John was born, has received an intimation from the Sheffield police that a collier named John Reynolds, whose age was believed to be 47, had died from natural causes. In his pocket was found a book which stated that his relatives lived at Blackburn, and everything points to the identity of the deceased being that of the old footballer.”

     

    – The Birmingham Daily Post, Thursday, 15 March 1917.

     

     

    Lectures were held on Jack Reynolds in 2005/2006 at the University of Ulster by Dr Garnham. He said of Jack Reynolds that much of Reynolds’ trouble lay in the fact that players of the time were required to do comparatively little training and consequently had a great deal of time on their hands.

     

     

    “The problem in the 1890s was possibly much the same as today. Young men were paid comparatively high wages and had a great deal of time to spend them. Also many, including Reynolds, were real celebrities. As such their company was much sought after, not least by pub landlords looking to attract customers.”

     

     

    https://www.thecelticwiki.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1-85.jpg

  29. Tom McLaughlin on

    SAINT STIVS

     

    Heavenly Airlines, how did they get Jinky on the flight ?

     

     

    Jock put him on the wing.

  30. scullybhoy on

    Was the discussion about Billy McNeill not about his nickname?

     

     

    Dopey Celtic supporters

     

     

    D’OH! 😑

  31. Hot Smoked on

    ERNIE LYNCH on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2022 4:29 PM

     

     

    Thanks for the reply. You won`t be surprised to read that I disagree. I feel it fits into the anti-Celtic narrative of the MSSM more than it does urban myth.

  33. GFTB on

    CRC

     

     

    Difficult time just now … hope you and all the family are as well as can be

     

     

    Take care 🍀

  35. ohhh boo boo on

    Eye, Celtic fans are good judges Krankie, etc? lol 😂

     

    Anti God, the Catholic`s, the women, the children, the Irish, the Glasgow Celtic, the homeless, the poor, the sick, the refugees(how many live in Bute house?) anti Corbyn Krankie stabbed him in the back in 2019, Krankie joined in the smearing of an innocent man, Krankie knowingly smeared an innocent man in Jeremy Corbyn, because he promised to `directly` invest £78 billion into the 3 areas in UK that were teatering on “slum status” in 2017(what are they like now? has Ponsonby asked about them? lol) then Krankie did the dirty on Salmond years later, Krankie is also anti the workers, the trade unions, the striking workers, anti the opening of the books(only George Galloway would do that to let YOU know where all of YOUR money is going) how much of it went to Ibrox and other disgusting places?

     

    Celtic fans suggest Bernard Ponsonby as a go to journalist?

     

    Hmmmmm?

     

     

    Aren’t jounalists, especially political journalists, supposed to ask uncomfortale questions of those in power?

     

    Questions like, “What did ScotGov do with the `unaccountable` £5 billion Covid money that the crooked London Tory`s kindly administered to Scotland`s people closing down their businesses for ever, during the recent crisis?

     

    It’s only £5 billion, no big deal eh?

     

     

    Or Ponsonby could’ve asked Krankie –

     

    “Given that the Scottish people wore Covid masks the longest, why did Scots end up as the sickest in Europe during the pandemic, and given that thousands, not one or two, but tens of thousands of doctors have presented evidence proving that masks `dont` work and if anything, masks actually make people sicker, so given this overwhelming evidence of thousands of doctors who obviously know more about these things than you or I will ever know, Krankie, are we then left to conclude that you, Krankie, are nothing but a hypocritical, virtue signaller? I say hypocrite because you, Krankie, you whined more than most about Boris Johnston`s partygate antics, when there’s photographs on your sisters Twitter timeline which clearly show that you, Krankie, and all of your friends were partying like Boris Johnston was, while you both had England and Scotland on lockdown?! Isn’t that disgraceful behaviour from you, Krankie? Isn’t it equally disgraceful, Krankie, that you have the entire Scottish MSM `cowed` to the point were none of these damning pictures of you can be presented by the media, to the public, therefore the Scottish public, whom you are supposed to represent, they are being presented with an entitely falsified image of who you really are? Isn`t that a disgrace, Krankie? I`m a totally committed supporter of Celtic Football Club, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow Celtic supporters are voting for you, Krankie, and their voting for you based on a GIANT pack of lies! That,…..that…..that, sickens me to the pit of my stomach. Goodbye,….Krankie.”

     

     

    If he had a pair of Jungle balls he would’ve said something like that ⬆️ sadly he has no balls, bought and paid for just like the rest of them.

     

     

    Krankie AND Salmond flew to London to sign an oath that would sell their souls to Protestant Supremacy.

     

     

    Yeah, Celtic fans are great judges.

     

     

    Mr Stein and his Lisbon Lion`s said on numerous occasions that Celtic play at Parkhead.

     

    Surely the working class Mr Stein and his Lisbon Lion`s word is more authentic than any Johnny come lately `liberal` neo capitalist Celtic supporters, who’ve fallen for McCann`s PLC “CELTIC THE BRAND” claptrap?

  37. BelmontBrian on

    Evening all.

     

     

    The queue for, EC Semi Final at Hampden?

     

     

    BRRB

     

     

    Your gags earlier were embarrassing, I will of course be using them, :)

     

     

    I meant to tell you that I recently had a premonition that I would have a déjà vu. :)

     

     

    Heard this tune earlier today for the first time, a cover version of a classic, I think it’s brilliant.

     

     

    https://youtu.be/qd9GRXJD7y4

  38. Hot Smoked on

    TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2022 8:23 PM

     

     

    You are on form today,Tom ! I can only assume the excitement of proper football returning tomorrow has been motivational !

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