Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade. He said:
“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”
There has been no European ban. Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs. They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.
The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment. It changed nothing. Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so. They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.
As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition. Pointless.
Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”. Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.
Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats. How do you measure that? Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.
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Phil Mac Giolla Bhain: I have been informed by an excellent source that discussions are currently ongoing to allow FC New Co going into SFL1.
Frankie Boyle: You’d think twice about unprotected sex if you could see this movie I’m watching about a litter of talking labradors.
I love Twitter.
Kevtic
44 games in a season is a brute of an amount in an ideal world, but there’s a lot of sense in your suggestion of 11-team SPL. The fact each side would have Celtic at home would be good for them and show everyone that newco is not needed, plus tne weekend off every so often is a good thing too. It would also give the SFA a double cop-out – a year to implement an SPL/SFL merger and a year without newco (pretendy suspension) and if they want to apply next season, Scotland can see for a year what life’s like without them, and at the end of it vote into Division 3 ACBN. Any club but newco.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 16:52 said:
You’re correct. Blazers don’t vote for Christmas But as a man who wears a blazer, perhaps I can answer that question: They have NO CHOICE. :))))
Buttons
HT
Not very catholic of you!!!
Sparkleghirl. Put him on a Pay Per Cleansheet (goalkeeping kind) deal.
MWD
row z
Thought you were playing nice :-)
How is me buying a ticket for Pittodrie or Tannadice supporting the huns?
How, in any way, is that similar to funding a company which would finance, and all that entails, our biggest competitor?
I love Frankie Boyle
HH
For anyone interested,Donegal v Derry Ulster Q/F on BBC2 NI and RTE2.
SFTB said How come Mao’s China with its wasteful capricious planning did not go bust quicker than its sugar daddy, the USSR.
macjay said “Mate.It did.
And then Mao did China a favour and died in `76.
His great leap forward between `58 and `62 resulted in 10 million dead of starvation.”
You’re answering a different question. I used the word bust. China never went bust. Mao was able to force the population to thole poverty and starvation whilst he spent money on arms and helped the Korean War to end in stalemate and the Vietnam war to end in US defeat.
The post-Mao non-communist Communists are still using state control to force their population to slow down consumer growth in order to impoverish the West by owning its ass.
If you just want to argue that Mao and Communist China were bad, you’ll have an easy debate to be won.
Bookies
You choose Broon in goal as a rod to beat our board with, I choose to ignore it and trust in NL’s judgement. There’s the difference.
PS – you missed another goal. 3-0 home victory. A Broon clean-sheet! (eurgh).
Bloke 109
Apologies if already replied to.
An 11 team league would mean 40 games not 44
Think it’s a cracking idea
Why would we want to sell Ki Sung Yeung when he has just won the Nobel Peace Prize?
Have I go this right?
MWD
Au contraire :-)
Glad to see you back talking mince again!
medtim
Thanks. You can count on me.
Me, unfortunately, can’t count on me.
Bloke109 is Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 16:59 said:
LOL :)))))
Italia Boy
Looks like its finally happening. The key point is the SFA issue licenses TO PLAY. Club licensing was always the key.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18471197
The Scottish FA aims to push through a merger of the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League in time for the start of the new season.
The governing body also wants to introduce a fairer system of income distribution and a pyramid system.
One SFA source told BBC Scotland: “We are at a situation of critical mass.
“Someone has to take a lead and sort out the internal bickering and point scoring and also to ensure that the Rangers situation never happens again.”
With Rangers destined for liquidation, a new company will submit a bid to join the SPL in time for next season since there are no regulations in place to cover the issue of a ‘newco’ route.
Once that application is received top flight clubs must wait at least 14 days before voting on the matter.
Should a new Rangers fail to gain the necessary 8-4 vote, they could turn to the SFL and apply to fill any vacancy created by a team being promoted into the SPL to take the place of the old Rangers.
“The Rangers situation has intensified the need for a resolution and, over the next few weeks, we will meet with the SPL and SFL to find a solution
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SFA source
But the SFA has lost patience with the two league bodies and is now set to push through radical change in the way the Scottish game is structured by next season.
“We need to use the mood for change among supporters in the country to tackle the current inertia and do what is right for the game,” the source continued.
“Change has to be democratic, but the time for talking has passed. We need action now to save the game.”
It is understood that, over the next few weeks, the SFA, which is the body that licenses the clubs TO PLAY, will hold meetings with the SPL and the SFL to push through the changes it feels are needed.
The SFA wants to merge the two current league bodies, introduce a new method of wealth distribution and to reinvigorate the Third Division with the introduction of a pyramid system to allow new clubs entry to a national league set-up.
“There is complete anarchy going on,” the source continued. “Both sides are agreed on the need for fundamental change, but neither side has been able to build an alliance.
“The fans are demanding fundamental change. The Rangers situation has intensified the need for a resolution and, over the next few weeks, we will meet with the SPL and SFL to find a solution.”
Dunfermline, who were relegated from the SPL last season, could be the team to benefit if a new Rangers fails to win a place in the top division.
Pars chairman John Yorkston welcomed the idea of a SFA-driven merger, although he was sceptical about how quickly such a move could be realised.
“Someone needs to take the bull by the horns,” he told BBC Scotland.
“There are too many governing bodies and this should have been done long before now.
“But whether or not it could be done before the start of the season I very much doubt.”
Even if Rangers’ senior players were good enough to strengthen Celtic and did not have baggage, I would still not choose to sign them for two reasons
1) The player concerned would be putting his life on the line and would need to live in an armoured car to ensure his health. What kind of focus could he have on football if his life was under threat from Rangers fans. They are gonna be angry enough when the players leave to the EPL and lower English leagues but, if any go to Celtic….
2) I do not want revenge for Judas. I do not want to do what they did and flaunt, in their case, imagined wealth, in putting down a rival team. I worry we would be becoming as bad as them in doing so.
I have no objection to stealing their promising youth talent or any ex-Ger who has played elsewhere in between times, but no direct transfer from Ibrox post-liquidation, for me.
HT
Glad to see you’ll still be supporting Newco in SPL.
MWD contaire you say. Moi?
SFTB
Personally i’d sell them all a contract and then burn them at the stake.
MWD wouldn’t have the beast but i like a wee grenade.
MWD
Seeing as we’re on the French theme……..merde :-)
How the heck did you come up with that analysis??
I know Celtic are an all inclusive club,but
I don’t want used huns at paradise,thank you.
Hamiltontim
Thought all other teams were our competitors?
Are you saying you have previously bhoycotted Ipox to support your principle (I know you haven’t) ;-)
HH
I don’t mind huns at CP…….. as long as we’re pumping them 5 or 6 nuthin’!
My Dear Kojo….
So they’re after Victor and Ki…
Hmmm…..Remember that you’ve also sold Oor Izzie….!
That’s a lotta Buttermulk Dainties…
But we’re gonnae need a whole new team…
Anyways,good to see you’re in the pink,since ye learned the secret benefits..of the humble Cabbage…
Yer pal…..Who thinks you’re the Wisest of the Wise…
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 16 June, 2012 at 17:04 said:
“We need action now to save the game.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony
The SFA spokesperson on Shortbread Internet says there is;
“a situation of critical mass”
“internal bickering”
“complete anarchy”
Yet he also says there is “complete inertia”.
He forgot the script there, remembeing fondly the halcyon days at Park Gardens.
row z
Think your employing basic avoidance as you haven’t actually answered anything :-)
No I haven’t boycotted the scrap yard but that’s because supporting Celtic is the priority. The fact that the ticket money goes to them is an unfortunate by product of that. I get something out of that.
What do I get, as a priority or a by product, of giving money directly to Dougie Park?
Why is Billy Dodds awol from the bbc?
HH
I am fast losing the will to follow this any further. It’s machiavellian twists are, in the vernacular, “doing my head in”
Paul 67 I salute your indefatigability. Where would we be without you?
Can we still call huns, huns now? Because the huns no longer exist, so as a newco there is no history so nothing to associate newco followers withs. I’m going to replace the h of huns with n for newco, nuns, oh wait no that can’t be right, I’ll just call them newco huns from now :o)
Bloke109 is Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 17:02 said:
Why would we want to sell Ki Sung Yeung when he has just won the Nobel Peace Prize?
Have I go this right?
No mate, I thought it was Zheng Zhi
Auldheid
Perhaps I’m living in a parallel universe?? Fans want change??? No they don’t. They want RFC punished and not parachuted. That’s what they want.
I’d prefer the SFA to:
1. Sack their president and appoint an independent non-football person with integrity in his place.
2. Take over and complete proper investigations into dual contracts.
3. Asked Fifa to establish an investigative body to look into possible historic collusion and corruption within and between the SFA and RFC and report back.
4. Ensure UEFA licensing is properly applied and administered in all leagues.
5. Properly expel RFC from Scottish Football.
I’d like them to do all that before even contemplating re-construction.
HH
My thoughts exactly, there is no european ban, newco is just ineligible. More smoke and mirrors.
I’ve been wondering about the fines does anyone know if they were paid? Including the
AIM stock market fine?
Zheng Zhi won the Pulitzer Prize for his brutal, unflinching biography Paradise Lost – The Year My Legs Fell Off.
Ki has picked up the Nobel prize for his smile and the way it makes you all cuddly on the inside…
The above are facts – but if you are unsure I have others…
U
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I’m confused. Surely Cha would win the prize for a smile?
P27
ernie lynch
Antonio Gramsci founded the newspaper l´Unitá which is still going to this day. And I did a dissertation on him which started out as “gramsci and the media” and ended up as something different
Juventus of Turin would probably have been his team
It looks like we’ll have to call them THE huns.
I am not in the tiniest bit bored about hun demise. It is f******* magic
HH