Let us be clear, if you are found to have transgressed an SFA rule and a judicial panel is asked to apportion a punishment, you have absolutely no rights to character assassinate or question the independence of the panel. Nor in doing so, do you, or the Scottish public (good grief!) have a right to try to ‘out’ the panel.
Ally McCoist prepared for a Rangers TV interview yesterday, not normally an environment subject to the kind of spontaneous and offhand comments you get post-match, decrying the work of the “supposedly independent judicial panel”.
The SFA must take whatever steps necessary to protect those involved in their judicial process and must ensure that any appeal by Rangers is heard on the evidence of the case alone.
Despite much protest, no one has actually claimed Rangers are innocent. That being the case, the judicial panel must apply appropriate punishment. The option to revoke Rangers membership of the SFA remains open to the panel – something that would be impossible to avoid if the club were found guilty of subverting over 700 games of football and a decade worth of trophies.
These matters are not going away. Take your medicine.
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Rogueleader
Thomson knows the script, penalise and card Celtic at every opportunity let Rangers score a few goals and then even up the card stats (maybe even send off a Hun) in the last 15 minutes to look like the match was fairly refereed.
Seen it all before
Yesterday, some of our revered journalists were decrying the draconian signing embargo imposed on Rangers.
They thought that a fairer punishment would have been to impose the embargo until such times as they repaid their debts to the other clubs.
Not a bad idea I thought as the punishment might then last longer than 12 months and, why stop at just the football debts? Seems fair to me.
Rangers motion in the Court of Session about to begin, the Huddleboards court reporter is on deck….updates as they come in
The Berwick win was in the third round, not the first, although in the future of the Hillbillies I see the number ‘3’ having great significance.
DBBIA/MysticMegCSC
BobbyRussell
Thanks, famous old result that but I assumed it’d be 3rd round.
It has to be said…..at least i give fair warning that my posts may not contain anything worth reading…….unlike smashinmilkbottles. I mean, how many times have you read one of his posts and been left with a feeling of complete emptiness?
You know that feeling when you’re on your hands free for 10 minutes when driving, you finish the call, look around and wonder how you got to where you are because you were so engrossed in the call that you missed everything you drove by? Well, when i read smashys posts I get that feeling….you know….like you’ve missed something important….that you’ll never get back?
*famous ole result sorry dontbratt!
alvysinger – Junior counsel in for D&p no- one on the other side despite the names of 2 agents appearing on the roll. Clerk must have cut and pasted from the petition roll. I assume it’s going to be non- contentious.
Good news for Lenny. It’s now Collyer Bristows fault. Duff Admin have to wait until October to hear £30m case. Told you yesterday guys, the Mayans know their Sh!t. Dec 2012 mark my words!
Eddieit was not a dig it was a compliment on your graduation. I personally belive your thesis on the merits of a BMW as a chariot for the safe passage of the curry home sealed it for you some time ago.
With respect… I doff my cap.
31003 on 25 April, 2012 at 09:44 said:
Your best yet.
Paul67 –
His veiled threats are a matter for the SFA at the moment, but they may well become an issue for the police given that the lunatic fringe that follow the club are looking to lash out now that they have finally realised Rangers are heading for oblivion.
The guy’s an idiot … as well as a 5h1te football manager.
Did anyone notice the argument that D&P are using in their lawsuit against Collyer Bristow? They are saying as Gary Withey was employed by the company they are liable for his actions and are therefore suing the law firm.
Does anybody see a paradox?
RogueLeader,
I noticed that yesterday. Irony or hypocrisy?
I think rangers don’t want to take their medicine as it being prescribed in huge suppository form
31003 and smashy you make a lovely couple.
What would the blog do without you.
It would be a duller place that’s for sure.
Headtheball on 25 April, 2012 at 09:58 said:
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thats exactly what i thought. i also thought, when they think about it ( the hacks ), they will eventually realise this too. still, its early in the thought proccess for these clowns. give it a few days, and they will be saying a year is fair ( as opposed to 2-3 years embargo )
With Berwick being in Div3 there’s a good chance for the Hillbillies to extract some revenge for the previous humiliation next season- that must be a powerful motivation for them!
Who wants the story that keeps giving to end?
I know we want the huns to die but I’m loving every new day that a new story of the hurting huns emerges.
Lovin it…
Stupid Stupid huns
Kit,
Cheers….i was actually saying “ouch” for estadios sake
VP
smashy’s an easy target
Paul67
Surely Aunt Sally can expect a call from the compliance officer over his remarks.
Paul, do you think it is a major development rangers now talking about Division 3. I think someone has tipped them off that they have yet to face the brunt of UEFA’s angst.
HH
From STV
An independent survey has polled supporters of all 42 Scottish clubs for their views on financial fair play.
More than half of supporters have warned they would stop attending Scottish Premier League fixtures if a Rangers newco was given automatic entry into the top flight.
A survey by splsurvey.co.uk has found 52.22% of 16,527 participants would “not attend any SPL fixtures at all” if the Ibrox club’s member share in the league was transferred to a new company, avoiding the debts of the current club.
Over 95% of those asked also stated their belief a newco Rangers should not be given permission to play in the SPL, a decision which would be made by the league’s board.
Scotland’s top 12 clubs are due to vote on new proposals later this month outlining possible sanctions for teams going down the newco route, as well as stricter punishments for going into administration. The survey found just 38.94% of fans backed the plans.
The results of the poll are also broken down club-by-club and show interesting contrasts between fans of each team.
Rangers supporters, who contributed to 2.73% of the total respondents, voted 57% in favour of their club being allowed to return to the SPL as a newco.
Celtic fans, meanwhile, were 98.08% against the idea. The club also contributed 40.56% of the total responses, more than any other.
No more than 7% of fans from every other SPL club said they would be in favour of newco joining the league.
In the Scottish Football League, 92.79% of 1,249 responses stated their opposition to any newco’s direct entry into the top flight.
The results were presented to SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster on Tuesday afternoon.
SURVEY RESULTS
If Rangers are liquidated and reformed as a Newco, should they be allowed immediate re-entry into the SPL?
Yes: 451 (4.51%); No 15,782 (95.49%)
In the event of a Rangers Newco being allowed immediate re-entry how, as a supporter of another SPL/SFL club would you respond?
I would continue to attend SPL fixtures as normal
1,957 (11.84%)
I would not attend any SPL fixtures at all
8,630 (52.22%)
I would continue to attend SPL fixtures but boycott any fixtures involving the Rangers Newco
5,282 (31.96%)
I support an SFL team so don’t attend any SPL fixtures
658 (3.98%)
Do you back the SPL’s Financial Fair Play Proposals?
No 10,092 (61.06%); Yes 6,435 (38.94%)
Why we won’t all help ‘The Rangers’
NO PROBE … Murray
Pic: KEITH CAMPBELL
By BILL LECKIE
Published: Today at 00:05
THERE’S an old saying, you should be careful who you trample on your way up, because you might need them on your way back down.
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Rarely has it applied more than in the meltdown of Rangers Football Club.
There’s an element at Ibrox who, when they were flying, wouldn’t have peed on the rest of Scottish football had it been on fire.
If you’re not with them, you’re against them. Do, say or write anything they don’t agree with and… well, they all know what you are.
That element went all the way up to David Murray and all the way down to guys like Mark Dingwall, who’s gone from running an abusive website to casting himself as spokesman for a generation.
Between them, they’ve left anyone and everyone in their sights without a name.
So what makes them think that now it’s all gone pear-shaped, the world will drop everything and help them out of the s***?
Which is not to say I believe the rank and file of Rangers supporters deserve what’s happening to their club. I’m not saying they had this day coming. Nor am I convinced the SFA’s ruling is the right one, because they shouldn’t be trusted to run a bath, never mind the national sport.
The transfer embargo makes sense, as it’s the debt run up through vanity signings that has — in part, at least — taken them to the brink of oblivion. But demanding money from a business who has none? Anyone who’s ever been hit with a £30 surcharge for going overdrawn knows how illogical that is.
What is fair? I’m not sure. All I know is that to give in to rabble-rousing mouthpieces like Dingwall and let them reinvent themselves without punishment because it’s The Rangers, is a non-starter.
Where were they when Clydebank and Airdrie and Gretna were dying, when Motherwell and Dundee and Livingston were in administration?
Hitting the phone-ins to sneer that no one should weep, because there were too many clubs in Scotland anyway, that’s where.
But I’ve long since warned the excrement would really hit the extractor when a big club went belly-up, churned endless columns about how Murray’s ego-driven, My Tenner To Your Fiver bravado would end in tears. So fans’ groups can re-write history all they like and pretend everything was dandy until that nasty man Whyte got his hands on them. But they’re only kidding themselves.
Yes, the SFA’s investigation centred on the chaotic reign of this chinless, gutless chancer.
But where’s the probe into Murray’s role? When are the fans going to turn their anger on a man who saw HMRC coming over the hill like a million Apaches and palmed the whole shooting match off to that chancer for a quid?
It might make the punters feel big to boycott William Hill and Vauxhall because they put cash into the SFA, but that’s going to solve nothing.
Rangers are rooked because Murray — aided, by the likes of his namesake Paul, who sat there as they unravelled, yet now claims he’s their saviour — hurled money at foreigners with no sell-on value, who took the club no further up the European ladder than they’d been with a team farmed in Kinning Park and Bellshill.
None of this is the fault of the SFA or their sponsors or journalists or anyone else on the most-wanted list of the No One Likes Us We Don’t Care brigade.
It’s 100 per cent at the door of men they followed blindly because they promised the earth.
Rangers, as a club, are the ones who did the crime. Now, they have to do the time.
And the worst they get is not being able to sign players for 12 months. They’ve got off with probation.
Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4277457/Why-we-wont-all-help-The-Rangers.html#ixzz1t2egcjkk
no way schizoid leckie
So, if d&f open court cases,wht happens to these when liquidation happens, where does the money to go to court, come from.
Does d&f legal action on belhalf of corrupt fc lock them in technically or could they be replaced seemlssly.
We demand their name, address and postcode so we can send them bullets, bombs, attack them and drive them off the road!
Iam feart to put on SSN all we’ll get all day is Cheasea dito dito
Morning all
Been reading the blog before I go for my train to work and read comments re likely scenario on Sunday
Can’t disagree with likely way Rangers and Thomson approach game but my real fear is how the visiting fans react. Vandalism on a grand scale seems likely with worse to follow . I may use my broken ankle as an excuse to not go. Which is a shame as I think we’ll thump them
H x 2
trainer still takes lamb
Let’s stop kicking Rangers to death
By jim Traynor on Apr 25, 12 08:13 AM in rangers
LET’S all be clear about this. It isn’t just Rangers FC who stand on the precipice.
Scottish football is right there beside them. We are all staring down at the rocks of ruin below.
Since the dark cloud of administration started gathering over Ibrox last year, arguments have raged about the value of this stricken club to the game.
Many believe the game would survive just fine without a club some love to hate. Of course we’d play on but would we prosper?
All those who insist Rangers aren’t needed are deluding themselves because this club is massive. Whether we like it or not, the Old Firm are our driving force.
They attract TV companies, who pay millions to screen matches, and other clubs can attract sponsors through appearances on the box.
SPL money trickles down into the lower leagues every season and when they’re on the road Old Firm fans help pay the running costs of other clubs and boost the takings of local businesses.
Take half of them away and more than football will suffer.
It’s basic economics but the latest raft of sanctions on Rangers will make it harder than ever to find a new owner.
The timing of the latest punishments couldn’t have been worse and now the American, Bill Miller, and Paul Murray and his Blue Knights are asking themselves if it’s worth trying to save Rangers.
Time has almost run out. Soon the club administrators will have to admit defeat and let Rangers go into liquidation.
What then for our game and what would it say about the mentality of the people who influence it? Indeed, what would it say about Scotland when so many seem desperate to witness the death of this club?
Yes they have a minority – sizeable but a minority nonetheless – of fans who have brought disgrace on all of us but Rangers mean too much to so many more civilised people. It makes no sense to push them over the cliff.
Yet that’s exactly what the SPL and SFA appear hell bent on doing. Frankly, they’re now taking turns to kick Rangers while they’re down.
And Rangers’ fans believe it is vindictive. They could be right and more than a few in high places, who have been whispering in corners of the corridors of power, need to set aside their own prejudices and vested interests.
Of course the chicanery of Craig Whyte and the willingness of Sir David Murray, below, who must accept a massive chunk of the blame for Rangers’ sorry state, cannot be excused but it is madness to hold the club responsible.
Put aside the EBT case, which could land Rangers with a massive bill, and forget for a moment that Whyte didn’t pay tax on the club’s wages.
These issues are being dealt with but right now the biggest impediments to Rangers’ survival are the SFA and SPL.
It is astonishing that at as time when crowds are dwindling and other clubs are in financial peril those responsible for the game’s well-being are falling over themselves to help kill off one of its biggest attractions.
If Murray and Miller are scared off because of merciless governing bodies who could yet throw down further sanctions, liquidation will be Rangers’ fate and one of Scotland’s biggest institutions will cease to exist. And after that? Scottish football could also find itself on the road to ruin.
Please, stop the gloating. Stop trying to beat a club senseless before it really is too late.
Bhoys on entering the office this morning you could feel the atmosphere had changed.
They are really hurting.
They feel persecuted.
They feel that they have been unfairly treated and penalised.
They feel that the SFA are out to get them.
They seem to think the press are all against them.
I said the first thing that comes to mind.
Multiply what you have felt by over 100 years and you will have an idea of what it is like to be a Celtic supporter in Scotland.
They have no idea what else is round the corner and Celtic and other SPL clubs could yet take them to court for many years of financial doping.
They have this thought that they will just get away with this. They will be in the SPL and they will be able to buy £1m players. The penny is dropping day by day that they won’t and they are now getting angry. It’s not anger against us (for once). The anger is at themselves. They won’t admit it but you can tell from their individual reactions that it’s the type of anger you have when you have been conned. When you have been stupid. Duped if that it the word.
They are organising some kind of rally at the weekend I believe. Alas it’s all too late.
They have had a few years of internet bampotery telling them what was going to happen and they did nothing.
There has been warning signs since the big tax case came to light and they have done nothing.
They have been in administration for over 70 days and they have done nothing.
They have had the MSM even telling them the game is almost up and they have done nothing.
The SFA give them a platry £160k fine and ban them from signing players and they go bonkers.
Why? The reason is obvious. They see the SFA as an organisation they can manipulate and use to their own means.
The SFA don’t punish Rangers!
Rangers play the SFA and have done for years. Their players pull out of internationals with mystery illnesses and injuries and heal with in hours of their next match.
They can take the Scotland football manager and get no fine or punishment because it is Rangers right to do so!
Is it not?
This is the first time they have realised that the allies they have had in the past are not going to give them a hand up this time. They are in such a mess that no changing of rules or bank handed favours will help them.
Only now the penny is beginning to drop and it’s all too late. What we have witnessed is what I always suspected. As a support they are nowhere near as passionate or united as we are.
They are doomed to liquidation and they were too slow, stupid, arrogant and misguided to make any effort to do anything about it.
I will not miss them but I will tell the youngsters of the future what it was like to have to play them and deal with them. They will not believe it!
LB
Given Regan’s comments there is a clear willingness from the SFA to let Rangers off with their failure to pay footballing debts as they are part of the ‘fabric’ of Scottish football. His words… most definitely not mine!
I suspect they would get away with this on appeal to… but I don’t see it being a permanent solution as UEFA will not be impressed given their failure to pay Rapid Vienna. Would not be surprised if they step in and double the punishment.
B
Dundee derby to replace the Glasgow one. I am sure the SPL will be happy with that… ;)
The spectre of Rangers going bust has left Dundee dreaming of the Scottish Premier League again.
It has emerged that the First Division runners-up may be invited to go up next season if the Ibrox club are unable to sort out their financial woes.
Dundee’s First Division fixture at Somerset Park on Saturday had been regarded as a must-win encounter for the home side, Ayr United, who are attempting to avoid relegation.
For the visitors, however, it seemed that they would merely be going through the motions after dropping eight points in their last three outings. The match may now help return Dundee to the top flight for the first time since 2005.
With two games remaining, Barry Smith’s side are four points ahead of third-placed Falkirk and victory this weekend would secure second place.
SPL sources have confirmed that, should Rangers face liquidation once the season has finished then the club finishing bottom in the top tier – either Dunfermline or Hibernian – will still be relegated
I was wndering…. when they go to court in autumn for the 30m against CollyerBristow, IF they win, who gets the 30m?
Rangers, if still owned by CW, (on whose behalf the lawyer ‘lied’ in the first place?
Or if Rangers no longer exist….to D&P? To a newco if there is one?
Who actually would win this money?
Sheik Yerbouti on 25 April, 2012 at 10:17 said:
The best part is:
“Put aside the EBT case, which could land Rangers with a massive bill, and forget for a moment that Whyte didn’t pay tax on the club’s wages.”
Well. yes. without those there really wouldn’t be a problem, so let’s ignore them.
Mmm… succulent…
McCoist’ rant yesterday smacked of fear and desperation. He knows time is running out and his club is a busted flush. Like a cornered rat he will bite and scatch for survival. The thing is the lair is riddled with poison, and the death thankfully,is slow and painful.
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Paul67..
I Believe Yesterday or Monday.I Read 3 Different Articles in 3 Different Time zones..IN THE ONE DAY..Great Stuff..Lots of News out there..
Is this a First and Do l Get a Prize..?
Summa JetLaggedCSC
LiviBhoy on 25 April, 2012 at 10:18 said:
brilliant post
Paraphrasing Ali’s line:
The Huns are so bad they could make the medicine sick…
Fat jabba wants to let them off with decades of financial doping? It would be UEFA who would then step in and destroy Scotland’s game.
Maybe that is what they want, to drag everyone down with them…