Not only are Newco left without an auditor, a Nomad and therefore a market listing, outgoing auditors Deloitte, wrote to the club last month to explain they were resigning due to threatening and intimidating messages received by their staff from anonymous persons during 2013 and 2014 in relation to their work with the club.
The toxicity of that football club is difficult to overstate. Is it any wonder Celtic fans are clear: the ‘Old Firm’ died in 2012? Any attempts to rekindle it will result in contagion for our own club, who maybe smaller going forward without the ‘Old Firm’ dividend, but it will be healthier nonetheless.
I’ll take 40,000 crowds and winning the next 30 titles in a canter, bring it on.
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Sipsini
Just send Caesar oot tae sh*t n pish at his front door.
:-)
HH!!
TLWIO / TET
Observing your debate on Greece
The Germans & French cant afford to let the euro collapse which is what will happen with a Grexit . If it wasnt for the euro, they could afford to pull the umbilical cord and let Greece slip into an abyss.
Imho there are no winners in this scenario, and if a Grexit triggers another fiscal meltdown then we will all ending working for another five years, as there wont be enough cash in the pot for pensions.
If this had happened 4/5 years ago, I suspect the Russians would have played the white knight card, but, until they get out of Ukraine, the oil price will be deflated, and they cant afford to do so.
What is needed is a face saving compromise, that ensures the Greeks keep their dignity, and a financial solution is agreed.
Not an easy one, but imho there are no winners & losers in this no matter what the outcome.
ItaliaBhoy
21:51 on 5 July, 2015
There’s only 500mE left in the Greek banks. They will not reopen unless the EU turns on the tap. That will now not happen.
How will the everyday economy function?
This vote is a catastrophe for the Greek people. An absolute disaster.
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Who knows, we will soon see.
Paul Mason’s video blog on the result of the Greek referendum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xsCagry-0g&feature=youtu.be&list=PLXjqQf1xYLQ47IJ7OIRD2uP7cbhhjBU7B
squire danaher
22:00 on 5 July, 2015
Hindsight shows that losing to Braga wasn’t too shabby on basis they came 3rd in CL section, and when dropping into Europa League they made the Final only to lose to a Falcao-inspired Porto in Dublin.
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And therein lies the problem and hence my opinion that progress in Europe, CL or EL, is a bonus not an expectation.
Far too often these unknown “pub teams” turn out to be a heck of a lot better than the normal supporter, or indeed MSM, expect.
But one day, we will be that pub team that happens to be on an upward cycle with a team and manager that get it right. Then we will reach the CL group stages and perhaps beyond.
It may be this year. But it may not be.
Either way, I’m still going to be a Celtic supporter.
TET
We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this.
Believe me , having run a business through the banking crisis and seen some of the strokes banks pulled then no one trusts them less. In fact, one of the reasons we survived was by doing precisely the opposite of what our bank suggested we should do. Fortunately we were in strong enough a position we could afford to afford to face them down.
The Greeks can’t IMHO for reasons in my last post.
I’d love to think you’re right but the Greeks seem to think that going to the bankers and saying we have a political mandate to refuse your terms is going to work. It won’t. They’re confusing democracy with economics. Economics wins every time. It’s a sad but true reality.
There are actually corollaries with Thems. They thought they could hold an EGM and then go to Mike Ashley and say ‘ We’ve taken a vote and decided not to pay you ‘. There’s a two word answer to that one. The same two word answer Greece is going to get.
Try negotiating with people you depend on for economic survival when you’ve just called them ‘terrrorists’ in a week when tourists , the only realistic hope for Greece’s economy , have been gunned down by real terrorists.
The Greek people have , sadly , been fed the same false hope as Ra Peepil that hubris and false confidence can win in the face of simple , brutal arithmetic. I’d love to be proved wrong and will be the first to admit , happily , if I’m wrong but it don’t believe I am.
The most likely outcome in my view is the first option in my post above. Amended but still painful terms which allow Greece to stay in the Euro, the Greek government to claim victory and the Greek people still to face years of painful austerity , albeit under another name.
I was very happy with Jason Denayer but I can see that he has already experienced a fantastic improvement since his departure.
Goodnight all.
JJ
PSCowiebhoy if you are still around.Faster cycling will improve fitness; long, slow bike rides is the way to lose weight.
67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar…… Ipox belongs to the creditors @1405
Aye, but maybe a wee bit worse.
Hi ghuys, hope you are all well.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
@Greece debt crisis: Greek voters reject bailout offer
…despite the efforts of the BBC, ABC, etc
WeefratheTim
Doing fine weefra, how about you?
tallybhoy….
Caeser is going to be starved, he’s getting too fat, even the magpies are ignoring him…lazy bassa cat:)
When are you back?
Time for a few beers. Hail Hail.
Weefrathe
We are all grand. Thankfully no blood thirsty lunatic has nuked us today
the long wait is over @2219
Aye, but maybe taking the pain is the best way.
Greece is best out of the Eurozone. Good luck to them.
They held back the hordes whilst the Germans were scratching in the mud with sticks.
Timeo danaos et dona ferentes
CCB
Howdy.
Agree completely there are no easy answers. Unfortunately for the Greek people they are probably the most vulnerable of all PIGS nations.
The consensus seems to be that their departure would see the Eurozone contract by 0.3 %. Assuming that to be correct then ( genuine question ) do you not consider the Eurocrats would consider that a price worth paying for credibility?
I fear that if Greeks don’t accept a compromised settlement, as we have both suggested , they will be tossed to the wolves.
WITS
I fear Greeks and Donner Kebabs?
Clashcitybhoy-TLWIO
I have said from the onset that Greece won’t be allowed to leave the euro, the banksters can’t afford it.
They will get away with it, sort of, they will still get their bail outs, which are not really bail outs, but it sorts the paper trail, the whole thing is a sham.
As with everything else, it’s all about the money, feck the people, just give me your money.
I hope Greece has the balls to tell them to gtf, but I doubt they will, still it will spur on others to confront the banksters imo, and that can only be a good thing.
HH
Some right, supposed, smart asses on here. I will bid you all a good night.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
Yahoo
Ahhh, the mortal sin, spelt Caesar wrong, I blame my cat, he was walking over the keyboard as I was typing.
I deleted his comment of f*ck the huns… Fenian cats what are they like:)
Weefra
I thought my response at 22 25 was quite civil. Do you have a problem with it?
Slan
You might well be right. Getting out might well give the Greeks a supercharged sense of having been wronged that sets them up for the future. The point , however , is that their politicians see this mandate to renegotiate terms as having real meaning for the Bankers.
Sadly it doesn’t. The 2008 crisis showed us that the markets and the bankers are more powerful now than governments and the people that vote for those governments. That was the real and tragic lesson of that crisis. I suspect it’s always been thus.
Aye, smart arses we are, at least we don’t want to nuke people.
So you have a Remington 30.06 punk! do you feel lucky?
Go on make my day
Eastwood cc
A lesson from history on how to deal with the Greek debt crisis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Agreement_on_German_External_Debts
Paul67
I agree but not wih the present incumbents. They are not Celts. They have shown themselves to be completely out of touch. The; your lucky to have our husbandry mantra is not enough in the face of the perpetual non expanding penny pinching accountancy. Time to be ran by people who are excited about Celtic and football rather than the commercial opportunities and figure that we are capapable of. Is todays piwce inspired by our ST sales of something that has especially happened doon Govan way ?
HH
Piwce=spiin
@the long wait is over 2240
The point , however , is that their politicians see this mandate to renegotiate terms as having real meaning for the Bankers.
I’m not so sure about this. Syriza are not your usual coalition of spineless politicians.
Whether one respects their politics or not, they are that rare breed of conviction-politicians.
I think they have a plan B.
They are saying to Brussels: no thanks, but because you are spineless, give us cash on our terms or we are quite willing to do the walking away.
it might have been piece instead of spin.
HH
Weefra…
Chill mate, hopefully your feeling a lot better, most folk that post are wishing you well. KTF
Interesting times ahead
Presumably some compromise can be found.
glendalystonsils
22:39 on 5 July, 2015
Weefra
I thought my response at 22 25 was quite civil. Do you have a problem with it?
Sorry glen, never seen it. Thank you so much. :-)) It is refreshing to get posts from supporters who actually attend games. nuff said. HH
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
Slan.
Fair do’s. Interesting few weeks ahead.
Sipsini
Not sure yet.
Possibly August and hopefully October.
HH!!
Dearie me, what an attention seeking twat
TLWIO / TET
The key to all of this imho is the euro.
From early 70 s to intoduction of euro, most European currencies were indirectly linked to the German mark, but importantly if things were not going their way, they had the power to flex and devalue.
That power has now gone, and imho having weaker economies like the Greek, Romanian, Italian , Spanish etc. being linked to the euro is a major mistake.
We saw recently that a relatively strong economy like Switzerland which is linked to the euro, had to revalue in recent years. If the Swiss have to do that, what hope is there for the weaker economies.
Personally, I dont think the eurocrats will be too bothered by .3% contraction, the big challenge will be if the Greeks exit, the Italians, Spanish and Irish may follow, which will be the end of the euro and start of an economic crisis which will impact on all of us.
Clashcitybhoy
22:53 on 5 July, 2015
The point about the euro is that no one is supposed to have to leave. If Greece does leave the whole project is finished.