Former chairman of Oldco Rangers, now director of Newco, Alastair Johnston, took aim in the media at Celtic supporters yesterday, saying “I always wondered about the mentality of certain Celtic supporters, not by any means most of them, who basically said our club died in February, 2012.”
Why do they do this to themselves? If it is an attempt to convince people that liquidation did not happen, it will fail. All that will be achieved is the re-telling of the facts. Rangers entered administration on 14 February 2012. It failed to come out of administration and a liquidator was appointed to dispose of the remaining assets.
Secvo Scotland Ltd bought a “bundle of assets”, including the stadium. The administrators, Duff and Phelps, changed Rangers name to RFC 2012 Ltd and gave permission to Sevco Scotland to use the word “Rangers” in their name. Without this permission, Newco would have gone through a similar naming process as Clydebank – Airdrie United – Airdrieonians, who were only permitted to use the word “Airdrieonians” 11 years after the liquidation of oldco Airdrieonians.
If I’m honest, if we were in those circumstances, I would tell myself every day that the Celtic I grew up with was the same as Newco Celtic. I would have no incentive to do otherwise, so Johnston and anyone else who cares, can think what they want about Newco.
He is welcome to his thoughts, if it helps him through the trauma of what he did as chairman of Oldco during the EBT years, and the club’s failure to prepare over many years for HMRC’s legal challenge. Johnston’s board made no provision to retain enough money to trade through HMRC’s challenge, despite that legal challenge being underway years before it got to the crunch.
What he tells himself does not change the facts. Oldco is in liquidation. All player contracts ceased. Assets were sold off, a deal to use the name had to be agreed. Sevco Scotland became an associate member of the SFA while Oldco was still a member. Oldco voted on whether to admit Sevco Scotland to the SPL. Sevco changes its name and were granted entry to the SFL Third Division.
Johnston played a role in the demise of Rangers. He was chairman and had a responsibility to direct the club away from dangers. He failed and now presents an alternative reality, which is easier on the mind.
He also said, “it will be 120 years or so before you can tie with us.” For each of those 120 years, Celtic fans and others will say, “But Rangers died in 2012”. Just as Rangers fans are content to believe their club continues, belligerent denial is not going to change how others regard liquidation. It’s over, Mr Johnston, you let your club die.
There was other guff about “thriving” not “surviving”. They think they are going to win the league and that their circa £11m annual deficit is an indication of thriving. Again, I disagree.
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CHAIRBHOY on 4TH JANUARY 2020 2:40 PM
JOBO BALDIE @ 1:08 PM,
“…‘first’ AD year was Year 1 then then the end of the 1st decade was the end of 0010….
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No sir. The start of year 0010 .
The end of a decade in the life of a person is the start of one`s tenth year. Not the end of it.
ie. the day of one`s tenth birthday , not the end of that year.
Birthday in Spanish Cumpleanos. ie ” completed years ” may better explain it .
I beleive you can draw parallels with what is happening in u.s with trump and Fox news and over here with the Scottish media and sevco.
Trump brazenly lies because he knows his supporters only watch Fox news and he will not be challenged by Fox news. He can make the most outrageous lies and claims and his supporters believe it all.
Johnston can make also lie and make outrageous statements because he knows no one in this country will challenge him.
After rangers were liquidated Walter smith wished the new club every success. A fortnight later he was claiming that rangers had been demoted. He knew he wouldn’t be challenged.
I would urge every celtic supporter to turn their backs on the Scottish media. Tv, radio and the newspaper industry. They all have an anti celtic agenda. I take my news from the BBC in London, channel 4 and CNN.
Macjay
At the start of one’s 10th year, one has completed 9 years on earth.
Westcraigs
Mosg people I know do that.
CANAMALAR @ 4:41 PM,
While I agree with you on the point that Alistair Johnston was trying to make and that the Celtic hierarchy did everything they reasonably could to facilitate this. You won’t get AJ or the rest of them stating it’s the same Club, they’re too well drilled for that…
They use euphenisms:
“But the reality is Rangers survived and not only did they survive, they started to thrive again.
They shoot down “facts” that few accuse them off…
“I always wondered about the mentality of certain Celtic supporters, not by any means most of them, who basically said our club died in February, 2012.
Of course they didn’t die in February, who said they did.!? They went into administration, they were then liquidated after the end if the season at the end of June.
No the fact is only the diehards and uninformed believe the same club stuff.
Sevco Rangers is a continuation of Oldco Rangers, by way of several deceits. 5wa et al.
Q: If Alistair Johnston believes Rangers are the same Club he Chaired, why doesn’t he state they are the “same club”?
A: Cause legally it’s not and he know’s it’s not
My view of his comments… twofold… venting ten years of guilt and frustration while putting extra pressure on Celtic, stirring up the old firm rivalry.
The main reason IMO – Rangers have one more battle to win (it should be a walk over for them), it’s this, if/when Sevco win their first major trophy they will want that win to be added to oldco’s total…
Championships 54
SFA Cups 33
League Cups 27
If we can stop them doing that, we stop the continuity myth.
If we don’t the last piece of the jigsaw is in place and Rangers continuity is then a reality:(((
Hail Hail
THE BATTERED BUNNET on 4TH JANUARY 2020 6:10 PM
Macjay
Correct.
And one has completed a decade on the day one turns ten years old , not at the end of ” 0010 ” as earlier suggested.
MACJAY1 @ 5:42 PM,
I think I’m Jobo and TBB on this…
That quote was actually down to Jobo, so it’s his beef;)
My point was though, if we go according to Matthew, Jesus was ironically probably born in 6 BC.
Of course if we go by Luke he was probably born on 6 AD – the time of the Census
You pays your money you takes your choice. Or you could split the difference;)
Hail Hail
Chairbhoy……….correct.
Klever, sleekitry from that hunned-up waxwork.
Vanity personified – but no’ daft.
Like his mug tho’ – given basic, serious, interrogative, searching questioning his and their facade krumbles.
HH.
Chairbhoy. Adding their first Trophy to Old Co’s total is a given, Europe have already accepted the myth.
We can do nothing to stop it apart from winning Trebles in perpetuity,
WESTCRAIGS on 4TH JANUARY 2020 6:10 PM
I beleive you can draw parallels with what is happening in u.s with trump and Fox news and over here with the Scottish media and sevco.
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Except that while Fox which , imho does largely support Trump , does give space to dissenting voices. But the difference is that Fox is in the minority of USA channels in that regard.
CNN doesnt support . ABC doesn`t . CBS doesn`t.
All support the Dems. Blatantly.
Just as the BBC support Labour , the LIB Dems and the Greens. Basically anybody but the Tories.
CHAIRBHOY on 4TH JANUARY 2020 6:23 PM
I wouldn`t go into the Biblical area . Too complicated for me.
I`m well outgunned there.
It was just the ” end of a decade ” suggestion.
The tactics were poor and for the second time they managed to swamp the middle and look decent. They play the same way every week so we were not caught cold. The old saying you don’t take a knife into a gun fight.
We should always match up in the middle of the pitch, it’s a key area and even very poor teams get joy when you allow them to outnumber you. My preference would be to vary our formation across 431(free)2, 433 or 352 dependent of other teams relative strengths. In all cases out width should come from our fullback/ wingbacks or attackers running the channels.
Lennon gets paid a bucket load to select the team, formation and style of play and he made a poor selection against sevco. I am all for signing better players but it will count for nothing if we don’t use them as we should.
HH
Dessybhoy.
Jamsie had a stinker and I won’t defend that, however Lenny was telling /shouting at him, to stay narrow during the game. He was following his,managers instructions which begs the question, why not play Ntcham in middle?
BANKIEBHOY1 @ 6:26 PM,
Yes, it’s the way they’ve played the game all the way through. It works though.
The idea he was Chairman of a wonderfully run Club that just one three in a row and in eight months some carpet bagger had ruined 140 years of cherished dignity is laughable in some ways but really it is a complete and total disgrace.
CORKCELT @ 6:33 PM,
Yes, I’m with you, they are ready to rubber stamp this…
If we can keep winning trebles until the zeitgeist changes we could well thwart it.
My guess is we’re talking centuries not decades.
MACJAY1 @ 6:42 PM,
Yes the Bible is a very important Spiritual and Historical book but IMO not necessarily a History book.
Hail Hail
JNP
I dont think any Celtic supporter expected us to lose , we were fast and lose, almost like Cluj in the Champions League match, I was raging at NL after that and he did not think his tactics were wrong, that worries me bigtime if he adopts the same attitude again to this defeat, play badly get a draw we are still 5 ahead , now its tight and we go on the road onto plastic 3 times before the bigotdome.
Mostg…?
Chairbhoy – Yep, I’ve banged on about this for years…………
Key thing to ‘bear’ in mind – they are helped to be good at making the guff work.
That help is never, ever offered to us.
HH
CHAIRBHOY on 4TH JANUARY 2020 6:52 PM
The Bible .
Who`s Bible ?
:-)
The King James Version used today was updated in 1769, with spelling changes and some more modern phrasing. It has been estimated that there were approximately 100000 (one hundred thousand) changes!
The most popular translation of the bible prior to the King James Version was the Geneva Bible. King James was the only reason why the KJV was so popular for so many years instead of the Geneva Bible.
History ? I really couldn`t say .
STEPHBHOY67
When I first joined this Blog more than 10 years ago, we all more or less agreed “win the midfield, win the game”.
Why doesn’t the manager see that?
Is this the same Johnston who went to court and ring-fenced around £400k as he knew his (then) club – not company – were going bust? Aye, a veritable fountain of rectitude.
HH
chairbhoy
Once more on the money. I doubt if any of us thought Celtic would ever equal Big Jock’s/Billy’s 9 in a row, though the Martin/Gordon era could well have achieved it apart from EBTs, masonic referees and players taking bribes. As noted the same club myth means that they are always ‘going for 55’ whereas we are on the verge of our own record. Of course the completion of the liquidation process might just put a different slant on the myth. As would another league title for the Bhoys. Lot a diggers in the ranks, time to dig deep.
DessyBhoy 6.55pm
How many managers have you ever known to admit they got their tactics wrong … honestly interested if you could name a few, especially managers who have won things
Philbhoy 7.06pm
Hope you are getting back to full fitness, but if “winning the midfield” was as easy as saying it am sure we could all be “fitba managers” … my kid on “fitba manager” view is, like many Celtic fans The Tav was one of their weaker defensive players Mikey J got the nod… even though Mikey is a terrific young player who will hopefully have many Celtic v Sevco (for AJ purposes) victories but at this point he has been hung out to dry by both Brendan & Neil in the last year (in my opinion) … I also think young Frimpong was as culpable as Bolingoli at times, again a young Bhoy who some have already elevated to hero status after a dozen (first team) games in his career, not fair on the Bhoy at all….
But again Neil Lennon seems an easy target for some fans/supporters, which is fair enough if they also dish out the plaudits in equal measure, but beating the Sevs in their midden somehow doesn’t suit the narrative when they manage to beat us …. Lazio home & away are massive results this season, the Italian super cup holders haven’t lost since we beat them in Rome (I think that’s correct :-) but all of a sudden this Celtic team & manager have lost all their tactical knowledge & fitba ability …. the Sevs whole season was on the line on the 29th December, ours wasn’t …. sometimes that is the difference on any given day …
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 4TH JANUARY 2020 5:23 PM
AnT…,
My point was P67 danced around the fact, discusses only the idea that Johnson and their support are fooling only themselves when the main issue is that Johnson is publicly proclaiming a fraudulent activity.
And a valid point it is if I may say,getting it proved civilly through courts is the difficulty.
I just read it as a poor article,another volley of propoganda from the turdswimmers on behalf of the club UEFA deem racist and sectarian.
:-)
HH
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STEPHBHOY67
Best post on here since last weeks defeat
Everything is fine,we should all be happy with what we’ve witnessed over the last few years 😉
Who cares if we don’t do 9🤔
It’s not all about winning,fek that😉
But tomorrow I will wake up a tim👍
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 4th January 2020 6:36 pm
‘Just as the BBC support Labour , the LIB Dems and the Greens. Basically anybody but the Tories.’
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I’m not saying that’s the stupidest thing you’ve posted on here (it’s too vast and too competitive a field to be definitive) but it must be in the running.
ERNIE LYNCH on 4TH JANUARY 2020 7:53 PM
But that`s only your opinion , Ernie.
Fairhill Bhoy 7.50pm
“The end is nigh”
“Neil has no tactics”
“Gerarrdinho has Neil sussed”
“The Rangerrs r back”
“the treble treble winners have lost that winning feeling”
I will (hopefully) wake up tomorrow, the Tim part is a given
I was being sarcastic Gerry 😉
GFTB
………………….but all of a sudden this Celtic team & manager have lost all their tactical knowledge & fitba ability …. the Sevs whole season was on the line on the 29th December, ours wasn’t …. sometimes that is the difference on any given day …
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Absolutely right.
Their need was greater than ours.
GFTB
Lazio lost 2 nil at Rennes, other than that your correct they haven’t lost 😊
Sid 8.29pm
I meant to write Serie A as we were posting about league games :-)
Fairhill Bhoy
My post was just as facetious :-)
Macjay 8.22pm
I totally bought into we won’t be as bad when we won the league cup… but sometimes the team that wants/means/needs it more gets it ..
Espanyol 1 Barcelona 0 … after 20+mins sometimes the wee team in the same city get the rub of the “green” :-)
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BANKIEBHOY1 @ 6:58 PM,
Yes, while they’ve managed to play a get out of jail free card that sort of “help” doesn’t do you much good in the long run.
We have the hunguffery, then we have the more sinister stuff.
We have our own set of cheerleaders, albeit less sleekit, that may have led to complacency.
MACJAY1 @ 7:01 PM,
Yes, I’ve got a big white leather bound “Catholic Bible”, it’s a family heirloom, with lots of Classic Renaissance Biblical art work. Have been reading it since I could pick it up.
The KJ Bible is a work of literary genius, originally written at the time of Shakespeare, a golden age for the English language. It has many phrases we say today that are part and parcel of our sayings. They of course may be well removed from the original Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic or Latin.
CELTIC MAC @ 7:28 PM,
Yes this team have an incredible winning mentality that has seen unprecedented success. There was a great interview with Sinky before last seasons Scottish Cup final that personified this.
My worry is, that this attitude is worth another man, if we loose our self belief then it will be tough to pull back from that, that’s why it’s important that we do dig deep. Ones things for sure, we’ve proven we can and our record breaking run continues.
Hail Hail
Fairhill Bhoy,
you back on causing trouble again ;-)))
Fairhill Bhoy 8.35pm
That would be OQN
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