Scottish clubs, including (original) Rangers, opposed the imposition of Strict Liability on clubs for offenses by their fans as long as the club concerned had undertaken all reasonable precautions to discourage and prevent those offenses.
In other words, if a club warn fans what is unacceptable behaviour, and confirm they will be banned from your stadium if they indulge, the club will not incur any punishment. As we know, it’s different in European competition, where clubs are held responsible for fans’ transgressions.
This is all fine and well, but it’s a moot debate after the Scottish Cup Final riot. Hibs and (Newco) Rangers may well have taken all reasonable precautions ahead of the game, but that changed for Newco immediately thereafter.
The statement defending the Newco fans taking the law into their own hands on the Hampden pitch that day is the opposite of undertaking all reasonable precautions. In fact, it was incendiary. I have little doubt it contributed to the actions of Newco fans in the first few months of this season, who appear to wandering around Premiership grounds ready to settle perceived scores.
Justification by Statement has continued. It’s now a pattern. The question for the SFA disciplinary panel, is whether they condone clubs encouraging fans taking the law into their own hands, as consistent with reasonable precautions, when deciding on actions by visiting fans at Celtic Park and Pittodrie.
It’s not. In fact, it’s dangerous and will lead to increasingly alarming situations until those setting the fires are brought to account. What happened at Celtic Park and Pittodrie was bad enough but far more serious consequences could lie ahead if this clarion call for Direct Action isn’t faced.
The players will still be buzzing from Wednesday night when they take to the field at Dens tomorrow lunchtime. We could blow Dundee away in a wave of effervescent football, or we could struggle to get heads out of the clouds. We’ve witnessed both scenarios before.
Jimmy Johnstone
You’re in for a treat tonight, the Jimmy Johnstone documentary is on BBC Alba at 9:30, on what would have been his 72nd birthday. It’s a brilliant journey into the life and family of an extraordinary-ordinary person. I thought I’d known all there was to know about the Jinky story, but I didn’t realise he was decades ahead of the game in terms of fitness and training techniques.
Brain injury
We have a special article out today, written by SunnyJim, on brain injury in the game (and a whole lot more). We re-examine a blow to the head taken early in the 6-2 game by Fernando Ricksen, who like Jinky, was struck by Motor Neurone Disease.
The game has a responsibility to its players, which means we all need to become educated in some of the risks. Read the article, you’ll learn something significant about an incident you are very familiar with.
The Celtic Foundation has had a great boost already from all those who are doing the Great Scottish Run on Sunday on its behalf. Dozens of Celtic fans have been sponsored by hundreds of fans, raising thousands of pounds.
This will be the last you hear from me on the subject before the off; if you can help, here’s the place.
Thank you, and thanks to everyone who has already contributed.
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CELTICROLLERCOASTER SUPPORTING SHAY,OUR BHOY WONDER ALONG THE WAY on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:09 PM
Got a significant change at work I need to manage so I hope to get down to the Hoot at some point!
If things go well, I should at least get the first half in the BV after I kick it off but may need to be back online or in work just after 1:00PM.
FAC the Act
KTF
That was an excellent documentary, didn’t shy away from some of the more difficult stuff either.
And it was nice to see Ian Henderson getting a well deserved mention. He did a lot for Jinky.
GERRYFAETHEBRIG
Amazing family
See you tomorrow
HH
Kieran Tierney
That’sallCSC
MIT, how you doing, and how is Dan the Mhan fae Milan, now a Celtic fan (and Waheeda) doing?
Did you all get a chance to watch the Man City game?
FAC the Act
KTF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvqgb1D6Opw
Blondie
Union City Blue
HH
What a fantastic film. Cap doffed to BBC Alba! Very emotional and thought provoking.
LIve every second!
Life’s Good – and precious!
Jobo
GFTB
I was in the I doubt we will get to the CL this season, unlike you I thot we needed more than a couple of players to get there, delighted to be proved wrong, but, and always the but, if we want to get there next season we need to add another couple imo, hopefully the suits have seen the light and realised that an investment in a quality manager will reap mega bucks, but they need to sustain it, give him the money and he will make more, it’s really no rocket science.
Had they invested in Lenny I very much doubt I would be typing this to you just now, I have heard all the arguments against investing in him, but he got us to the last 16 with no investment, just think what he could have done with a few bob and those on high selling his best players……………
” FFS Dermot, you sold all my best players and brought in shite ”
My Gran always told me that if you buy cheap you buy dear, you always get what you pay for, how right she was.
HH
VFR
Take a couple of hours off the morra, hope that BR guy handles a big game because Ronny had a great record after European games, even the odd draw in Europe Ronny win his next league game, by the way Ronny thanks for 4 & 5
FGF
Looking forward to it….. I don’t get to see the Hoops live, this is the nearest I have to talk/argue about the hoops instead of typing on a blinking iPad :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHTI31XuQxk
Deacon Blue
Real Gone Kid
takesmebackCSC
Guys, any ladies going to the hoot, me and the Mrs will be in town ?
GERRYFAETHEBRIG on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:22 PM
I wish I could! If i can get away, I will!
FAC the Act
KTF
TICKETBUS
Voguepunter is going
Love
TICKETBUS
There are usually a few,plus more popping in and out to “check up!”
Blane Valley welcomes all,your missus will be fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO5-w3540H8
Wah!
The Story of the Blues……………………………………………………………They DIED!
HH
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37459583
“But the Northern Irishman has stressed his preference is for continuity.”
A settled team .
Yes,thank you , Brendan.
TSOAL
Oh,I hope you are wearing yer guid trainers tomorrow!!!!
MACJAY
BR will know his best options in the current squad,he is probably happy enough to work from there. I expect he has one or two ideas on who he needs to improve it but evolution not revolution,I reckon.
BMCUW
Where are people going to be after 5 bells?
Ok will try and pop in BMCW, cheers.
TET 11.21pm
I don’t think it’s about the board backing the manager, I think it’s more about the manager attracting the players (& his own staff) BR had seemingly sniffed about Dembelle and obviously knew Scott Sinclair & Kolo (Stanton) Toure, these guys are up here because of Brendan, nights like Wednesday might convince more but the Spl is a hard sell, BR has surrounded himself with people he can trust and has the fans more or less 100% behind him……..not sure if the board just used Ronny but Brendan is doing what any decent manger does and surrounds himself with people he trusts……although if Brendan is reading play the goalie that makes the saves
CraigGordonCSC
VFR…would love to watch some of the game with you the morra and by the way am still trying to teach my daughter about that word from two Sunday’s ago :-)
Great programme about wee Jinky my hero as a young lad. Told the story of an extremely talented and brave individual, warts and all. He would be as proud of his family as they are of him. God bless you wee man.
Hail! Hail! PMTYH
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtoMvSLWEAETkn7.jpg
Jinky
HH
ALMORE: Enjoy the replay and your coffee! I was at the 1958 final between Dublin and Derry! Not bad for a lhad from a small town in the West of Scotland. I enjoyed it but much preferred the dancing at the Olympic and Clery’s!!! As the song says… ‘In Dublin’s Fair City etc,etc ‘ and never a truer word spoken or written:) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eZ1Qatj69k
Here Comes the Sun
BrendantimeCSC
Gerryfaethebrig on 30th September 2016 11:33 pm
I don’t think it’s about the board backing the manager, I think it’s more about the manager attracting the players (& his own staff) BR had seemingly sniffed about Dembelle and obviously knew Scott Sinclair & Kolo (Stanton) Toure, these guys are up here because of Brendan, nights like Wednesday might convince more but the Spl is a hard sell, BR has surrounded himself with people he can trust and has the fans more or less 100% behind him……..not sure if the board just used Ronny but Brendan is doing what any decent manger does and surrounds himself with people he trusts……although if Brendan is reading play the goalie that makes the saves
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I agree with the general tone of your post :O) but thought I’d point out that Celtic were in for Dembele last January when Ronny was manager.
GFTB, hopefully I will get in for part of it!
FAC the Act
KTF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZzEvqDQfIA
8 days a week
ourloveofCELTICCSC
GFTB
It sure is about the board backing the manager, they didn’t back Lenny and it took us a few years to get to where we are today, money talks big time, I understand what you say about BR and trust, but trust has to go both ways, without trust we are on a road to failure, thankfully it’s looking like there is trust flowing through the club presently.
HH
THE_HUDDLE on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:37 PM
You are correct. He almost came in January.
He’s here now and that’s the main thing!
FAC the Act
KTF
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:31 PM
MACJAY
BR will know his best options in the current squad,he is probably happy enough to work from there. I expect he has one or two ideas on who he needs to improve it but evolution not revolution,I reckon.
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As you probably gathered , I was making a comparison. Which as you know are odious.
Purring up front.
Dodgy at the back. When Man. City were running at us , the gaps were alarming.
Obviously time is needed and probably a large enforcer. A hatchet man. A Garner with subtlety and ability.
In the Barca game , we didn`t get stuck into them , as I would have expected ,but they did to us.
Almost every time we gained possession and broke forward they weren`t slow to bring us down.
We were overawed.
Brendan will have seen this and will fix it.
I want a win today. No kidding , eh ?
TSOAL
Should be in McChuills then,mate. If that changes for any reason,I’ll put it on here.
I think its time football agents are no longer involved in player negotiations,its time all football clubs take a stand against this corrupt business practice, Footballers have only one company to deal with ,and that’s the football club that employ them,only people that negotiateed pay rises for me was the trade union I was a member of,and that’s what these players need to do,and by the way they will still get very well paid,so all players and clubs should do the right thing by not reconissing Agents,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErykBldZCs
The BEAT
Can’t Get Used to Losing You
twotonetimsCSC
TICKETBUS
Excellent stuff,bud. Look forward to meeting you both.
Heard a guy talk about religion and why it fails.
He said,
“Its not our job to believe in a religion, its our job to be that religion in your day to day life”
“Belief in a religion is worth nothing without the consistent action of what that religion is”
Or some shit like that. Just a thought!
MACJAY
I reckon “a new Neil Lennon” is a missing part of the jigsaw.
As for a Garner-type playing for us,I hope we never stoop to that.
BMCUW
Cheers
Will drop in for a few beers