Scottish clubs, including (original) Rangers, opposed the imposition of Strict Liability on clubs for offenses by their fans as long as the club concerned had undertaken all reasonable precautions to discourage and prevent those offenses.
In other words, if a club warn fans what is unacceptable behaviour, and confirm they will be banned from your stadium if they indulge, the club will not incur any punishment. As we know, it’s different in European competition, where clubs are held responsible for fans’ transgressions.
This is all fine and well, but it’s a moot debate after the Scottish Cup Final riot. Hibs and (Newco) Rangers may well have taken all reasonable precautions ahead of the game, but that changed for Newco immediately thereafter.
The statement defending the Newco fans taking the law into their own hands on the Hampden pitch that day is the opposite of undertaking all reasonable precautions. In fact, it was incendiary. I have little doubt it contributed to the actions of Newco fans in the first few months of this season, who appear to wandering around Premiership grounds ready to settle perceived scores.
Justification by Statement has continued. It’s now a pattern. The question for the SFA disciplinary panel, is whether they condone clubs encouraging fans taking the law into their own hands, as consistent with reasonable precautions, when deciding on actions by visiting fans at Celtic Park and Pittodrie.
It’s not. In fact, it’s dangerous and will lead to increasingly alarming situations until those setting the fires are brought to account. What happened at Celtic Park and Pittodrie was bad enough but far more serious consequences could lie ahead if this clarion call for Direct Action isn’t faced.
The players will still be buzzing from Wednesday night when they take to the field at Dens tomorrow lunchtime. We could blow Dundee away in a wave of effervescent football, or we could struggle to get heads out of the clouds. We’ve witnessed both scenarios before.
Jimmy Johnstone
You’re in for a treat tonight, the Jimmy Johnstone documentary is on BBC Alba at 9:30, on what would have been his 72nd birthday. It’s a brilliant journey into the life and family of an extraordinary-ordinary person. I thought I’d known all there was to know about the Jinky story, but I didn’t realise he was decades ahead of the game in terms of fitness and training techniques.
Brain injury
We have a special article out today, written by SunnyJim, on brain injury in the game (and a whole lot more). We re-examine a blow to the head taken early in the 6-2 game by Fernando Ricksen, who like Jinky, was struck by Motor Neurone Disease.
The game has a responsibility to its players, which means we all need to become educated in some of the risks. Read the article, you’ll learn something significant about an incident you are very familiar with.
The Celtic Foundation has had a great boost already from all those who are doing the Great Scottish Run on Sunday on its behalf. Dozens of Celtic fans have been sponsored by hundreds of fans, raising thousands of pounds.
This will be the last you hear from me on the subject before the off; if you can help, here’s the place.
Thank you, and thanks to everyone who has already contributed.
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Brogan, there was a really good discussion on radio 5 last. Tuesday on their 1pm to 4pm programme about homelessness. I heard about twenty minutes of it and it oened my eyes to the homeless issues.
There were people on the progammes who work with the homeless and stated its just not people who have addiction problems on the streets but people who have suffered breakdowns, either nervous or relationships , and have lost everything.
If you have time to check, the programme may still be on the BBC I player.
BRT&H et al
Plan is to meet in McChuills after the game.
For the game itself,some are watching it there,others-including myself,yer warned!-in The Blane Valley,and a few of the rest are watching it nearer to home.
Either way,I hope to catch up with you and y’all at some stage.
ALMORE
That includes your good friends. I’ll keep you posted. Enjoy the Dubs,we’ll avoid the doubles!
HH.
Morning all.
Won’t make the hootenanny today as I am not coming over ’til tomorrow.
SIPSINI if yer lurkin’ apologies for that as I was hopin’ to see you an give you the lowdown on Italian women as you requested on behalf of yer bhoy!
Hope to meet up at a later date.
To all you bams going, enjoy the day and make sure BMCUW manages to get on the right train home! He should be ok ‘tho as CCB will be there to keep an eye on him!
HH !!
From the fantastical to the farcical in just over 60 hours.
“The Hades that is Scottish football”. (c) Johnjamessite.
TALLYBHOY
Lame excuse,that yin. I’ll try to get out midweek for a catch-up. Let you know.
BMCUW
Look forward to it!
HH!!
“Where you goin’ so early?”
Bookies.
Look of severe disapproval.
“At this time? Ye lose enough when you go up in the afternoon, never mind first thing!”
Betfred shops are hosting a McMillan coffee morning, so getting over there early.
Now, where’s yer purse? Ah’m sure you’ll want to contribute!
Ah, small victories.
Dallas Dallas
I will check that out. Thanks.
The homeless figures and stats for Scotland alone are frightening but throughout the UK they are truly horrible.
There are over 100,000 homeless children in the UK and some 300,000 people altogether. Just think of an entire city with twice the population of Dundee who are all without a home.
And that is the “official” figures.
Most people become homeless because of relationship break up or becuase the bank foreclosed or the landlord repossessed.
Maybe they should know how to deal with such things but the fact is that many don’t. They are clueless and have to rely on local authorities and “The system”.
Well the system doesn’t work: It never has worked and most of those folk spend time in “temporary accommodation” such as B&B’s or hotels.
In Scotland last year there were more than 40,000 homeless applications to local authorities and of those who were placed in “temporary accommodation” most spent 23 weeks or the best part of 6 months living there before being placed “somewhere” – anywhere.
Remember, these are not the people you see or hear about sleeping rough, they are even further off the radar and there was a figure which showed that in Glasgow something like 500 people spent their first night on the street on the very day that the local authority told them “sorry, we just have nowhere to put you.”
They never expected to be on the street. Had made no arrangements to sleep in a doorway or in a shelter or whatever but there they were — out and on their arse.
Last year, when I was campaigning for this I was sent a message by a guy who slept in the doorway of a cafe in Maryhill. In the morning the owner turned up and instead of moving the guy on he took him in and rustled up a full breakfast for him and talked to him about his predicament and what he should do about it.
More or less a year later the same cafe owner cooked a breakfast for a bloke in a suit, shirt and tie and the man offered a £50 note and told him to keep the change. The Cafe owner didn’t recognise the homeless man he had taken in but the guy now had a home, a job and had had a bit of luck which turned his life around.
The notion that all homeless people are drug or drink dependent is a myth, though many are, and the homeless problem is one which is growing and growing and is just a blight on all that I believe in or at least is a blight on what and how our society should be.
It is for that reason I bang on about it to the point I could bore folk to death.
But I promise not to lol
Still — if anyone out there has a spare fiver …..
https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/jamesmcginley2
Cheers
BRTH
BMCUW
Bad timing for me. I’m doing the Glasgow bus tour with Mrs.HB and friends. Arranged ages ago but postponed a couple of times due to bad weather. Well today is the day.
Heading for a few drinks and food afterwards. If our paths cross, I will buy you a beer.
Still on a high after Wednesday’s game. Hope the Bhoys keep the momentum going today.
HH
*** LAST MAN STANDING – WEEK 5 ***
All the picks are now in for week 5 and here’s where the selctions have gone – amazingly spread acoss 10 teams. Well, 9 teams and a collection of……
Good luck.
The fixtures for Week 5 – all kick off’s 3.00pmn except where stated.
Friday 30 September
Motherwell v Hearts (7.45pm)
Everton [18] v Crystal Palace (8.00pm)
Saturday 1 October
Dundee v Celtic [3] (12.15pm)
Swansea v Liverpool [19] (12.30pm)
Hamilton v Inverness [1]
Kilmarnock v Aberdeen [4]
Rangers* [15] v Partick Thistle
Ross County [1] v St Johnstone
Sunday 2 October
Tottenham [1] v Manchester City [1] (2.15pm)
Burnley v Arsenal [32] (4.30pm)
* – also known as :
Sevco
The Deadie Bears
Triggers Broom FC
The Tribute Act
Good Morning Bhoys and R.I.P Mike Towel and may perpetual light shine upon him. H.H.
Good Morning Bhoys,
Wee Jinky documentary was really good, Straight from the heart, Wee man was one in a million. Had Mrs KLV in tears last night and she’s not even bothered about Celtic. Had a wee night with the family then home to watch it. Those nights are good for the soul.
RIP Jinky. Lord of the wing.
I was watching that link from the Man City fan’s perspective, Good watch, they looked like they had fun. I know I did. Great night.
On to today, Tried to get a ticket last night but to no avail. Tv it is, Hope to see some changes, Leigh get a run out with Armstrong, Christie, Simo and Izzy? Who knows, Brendan likes a settled team.
Hail Hail and have a good day Bhoys.
KLV
HARRYBOE
I might need to hijack that bus to get home!
Enjoy yer day,mate. I was shouting your train in on Wednesday. Hope you made it on time.
BMCUW
Your shouting worked. Got to Glasgow at 6:30. No time for food but had a quick pre-match Magners in The Drovers. Priorities!
The game was one of the best CL experiences ever!!
Hope all CQNers enjoy their Saturday.
COYBIG
Anybody know where I can catch the Jinky documentary?
Here is an unusual piece of footage from 1967
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=oJ_oH9Uemro
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 1ST OCTOBER 2016 10:23 AM
Anybody know where I can catch the Jinky documentary?
BBC iPlayer
Here he is Jinky on iPlayer – may only work in UK
thanks Gary
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Thanks man, I will rewatch it just now.
KLV
Hope everyone enjoys the wee get together today and have quite a few goals to cheer.
Approaching Dundee now, absolutely beautiful day.
How special was that Jinky programme last night? How lucky are we to have our Lions, each of them magnificent, as players and as men.
We’ll sing the Jimmy Johnstone song today, I have no doubt about that.
Who’s injured, who,needs / deserves a rest?
Broonie and Rogic in the former category?
Lustig, Kolo, Forrest, Tierney in the latter?
Based on the above guesses…
Gordon
Gamboa, Simo, Erik, Izzy
Roberts, McGregor, Bitton, Sinclair
Griff, Dembele
Whatever the manager picks will be fine I’m sure. Plus subs. Cause he’s good at that.
4-0 or 4-1.
Brth
First I’ve seen that. It was about the same time the council planted a floral display in honour of Lisbon at George Square. My old man was going to work night shift and saw it being trashed by hurting huns, in full view of Glasgow’s finest who seemed to be enjoying it. He questioned plod about what they were going to do about it… ‘on yer way mister’ was the cry.
I attended an evening with Hugh McIlvanney introduced by Graham Spiers in Stirling last night, both Jinky and Jock were spoken of with great fondness by Hugh in the memories that he shared of them. Then home to watch the Jinky programme which produced lots emotions and many tears I had a chat with Graham Spiers re the Kano Foundation, his interest and his meeting Delaney’s last week. On his requesting further info I referred him here and to the foundation online.
HH
Morning bhoys n ghirls
Just back from a relaxing week (Wednesday apart) in sunny and thundery Menorca
Can’t make hootenanny due to nieces 30th birthday gig, (why have a 30th?)
Anyway it PV for me to watch the game then home for a wee siesta
Enjoy your day bhoys n ghirls☘️☘️
Today’s team v Dundee – ko 12:15 live BTSport
Gordon;, Lustig, Simunovic, Sviatchenko, Tierney; Brown, Bitton; Forrest, Rogic,, Sinclair; Dembele
Subs; DeVries, Toure, Gamboa, McGregor, Roberts, Armstrong, Griffiths,
It would appear that my day has just been hijacked by outside forces!!!
Or as some people might call them ……..children!
Bugger!
ONEMALLOY
Well done,old bean!
BRT&H
Pity,bud-but enjoy!
I’ll mail you in a few days re an organisation for homeless people in Swindon. A tale of bureaucratic fear if ever there was one.
Wow. Only one change from Wednesday. Go for it Brendan.
Maybe shortened time on the pitch for a couple of them. Hopefully Rogic can complete a full game.
WOW…………………. big respect to BR very strong team.
Toure rested, and Leigh Griffiths scoring ace champing on the bench
BmCUWP,
Thank you for the invite to the hootenanny (and for preparing a possible lynch mob by letting slip my dislike of Mr Zimmerman’s tuneless pipes!). Unfortunately, I can’t make it today as I’m doing some overtime – just got a job at last and I’m taking all the money we can get at the moment, having not worked for a few years!)
Also, I saw paddymacoz was asking for a link to watch last night’s jinky documentary – does anyone know if he got sorted? I’m on my break just now and can’t scroll back. I might be able to help him with a hard copy.
To all the hootenanniers, have a great time as it’s a great time to be a Celt and it’s always a great time to be alive!
Hail! Hail!
BT Sport match build-up on now.
Ah’m watching ye Darryl Currie! The ghuys on Celtic Quick News have warned me about ye, so they have.
Mike Towell RIP
= = =
Hope the hooters have a hoot.
= = =
C’mon Celtic,3 points today.
I’ve been unable to deny myself a wee look at Rangersmedia every now and then this past few days and while the denizens of that site are in their usual ferment, they’ve been expecting us to rest key players today and drop points.
Imagine being one of them and seeing today’s Celtic team.
Laugh? Yes, I did.
Come on the Champions! And what a perfect day for football, here in Dundee.
Heading into town for the hoot, with the challenge to stay relatively sober as I have a night out tonight as well.
Or was it don’t get “too drunk” :-)
HH
CRC
“ In the Bernabeu stadium……..…..one man………one man……….…Jinky Johnstone “
Bertie Auld
New article as well