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Celtic set a new standard last year with an invincible season under Brendan not only for our team but for every team in Scotland to aspire to and tho’ the pub league accusation gets chucked around on here wily nily it seems to me there are a few managers actually trying to play football in Scotland and with the meagre resources at his disposal Steve Clarke got a result yesterday that came not only from his pitch:))) but from the wealth of experience he has managing in the best league in the land.
Scottish football can only profit from having better more experienced managers managing here and I include Owen Coyle in that too, Lenny’s team were more than decent yesterday to watch in the 70 mins or so of what I seen.
Now if only we had a few good men to run the game:))))
HH
Starry
The Celtic support is an unwieldy weapon, too sharp in parts, not too sharp in others.
RobertTressel
Reflections the day after..
Good stuff.
HH
Surely Celtic,have a artificial indoor pitch up in lennoxtown.
Gene 3.22pm
SqauregoCSC :-)
Bobby
You’ll never figure that one out.
It’s like any other workplace, who knows what goes on.
TIMBHOY3
Yes, we do.
TIMHORTON on 4TH FEBRUARY 2018 12:07 AM
Tontine the big man has alzheimers about three years now. not long to go.
*Oh dear, I’ll let his pal out in Oz know, although he may be aware of that as he was hame last summer and visited a few ftba friends including Drew Busby who owns the Waverly Bar in Dumbarton.
Conundrum of the day.
When Celtic are due to play on an artifical pitch in the SPFL..
Does the coach have the lads work out on their own artificial pitch all week & risk syn thetic pitch injuries to his players?
OR
Does he have them work out on grass so that they get the synthetic pitch injuires during ther game?
HH
All praise Dave King! https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2018/02/04/dave-king-will-walk-among-us/
There are artificial pitches then there is that worn hall carpet Kilmarnock play on.
MWD
MWD
Kilmarnock Red Imps.
Those saying Kouassi should have got tighter to Jones who crossed for Mulumbo’s goal have to factor in this is Scotland and he was probably mindful that any contact in box would have resulted in a penalty.
Watching the game there was a clear contrast in the way both teams defenders approached a tackle.
Celtic players tended to hold position and stay on their feet.
Killie players had no issue playing tight and often through the back of an opponent plus wrestling in the box.
Watched the second half at ibrox yesterday and the same differing approaches were evident.In the last third Hibs were reluctant to put in any sort of tackle.staying on their feet and holding position.
Players in Scotland know the score.
John51 3.37pm
Don’t think training on artificial Park for a week would help, I think it’s a mindset our players twist and turn as normal but Killie players know how to handle the surface, I would love to know if Mulumbo & co would prefer grass or their surface ? Before Stevie Clarke they were rubbish at home
BIG PACKY on 4TH FEBRUARY 2018 11:18 AM
GERRYFAETHEBRIG, from last night best celtic players i ever saw. simpson craig and gemmel murdoch mcneil and clark johnstone wallace chalmers auld and lennox . simples.saw that team tear man utd appart at parkhead circa 67/68. feel sorry for you young ghuys that didnt see them in the flesh.hh.
*hate tae be pedantic BP but that game was on August 6, 1966 and our team was Simpson, O’Neil and Gemmell, Murdoch McNeil and Clark, Johnstone McBride Chalmers Auld and Lennox.
The Buzz Bomb, who scored our title winning goal in the last game of the season at Fir Park, and Bobby Murdoch had us 2 up after only 10 minutes, a couple of minutes later and David Sadler pulled one back for them only for Joe McGoals to extend our lead 3 minutes later. Veteran centre half Bill Foulkes put through his own net for our 4th.
Paddy Crerand was captain of manure for the day in front of a massive 60,000 crowd and George Best made his return after injury.
Homeless man sleeping rough in New Orleans, Louisiana, is woken up by journalist doing an article on the blight of homelessness & destitution.
Homeless man “You ought to do a story about me”
Journalist “Why?”
Homeless man “Because I played in 2 Superbowls..”
http://www.nola.com/living/index.ssf/2018/02/jackie_wallace_ted_jackson.html#incart_2box_nola_river_orleans_news
How my troubles seem so far away now.
Northern Songs CSC
timbhoy 3
sorry we don’t have an INDOOR pitch.
JOHN51
Incredible story,heartbreaking,uplifting,and…
One slip.
It’s all it takes
Gerryfaethebrig
I agree about the psychological side of it.
If you’re scared your’e going to fall off the bike, then you better pack some elastoplast cos you’re going to fall.
I want our guys just to be more switched on to how differently the ball bounces & runs on that surface.
Passes into feet or backspun into space for runners please.
HH
Maybe we should hire the killie / hamilton pitches the week before we play them – simples
Just looking at the list of players injured. Gordon clattered into Efe and both Roberts and Hayes were victims of crude tackles. That leaves 8 players who are missing as a result of injuries other than physical contact. We’re either incredibly unlucky or something is not quite right here.
BMCUWP
Yes, all of that & more.
Personally, I want the Eagles to win.
Underdogs
Green & White strip
Home of the Ploughbhoys
Their QB, Nick Foles is their backup guy & if they win, he’s still likely to be back on the bench when the number one guy recovers from his ACL injury. If they win, then this story will be a Hollywood movie by this time next year.
Nice to have a dog in the fight.
TONTINE TIM, the old bonce playing up again, remember it being a hot day but.maybe not.lol.hh.
John51 3.51pm
Easy fix our top league should be played on grass, no grass park Killie & Hamilton should be in a lower division
Why should players at the top level have to get used to shoite surfaces
If it’s about finance they should require to have an adequate surface
Lee Wallace CSC
Grass all day long for me :-)
BIG CUP Winners, Well there is a couple on here , saying there is one ,up in lennoxtown.
Zenit 0 -Slovan Bratislava 0
A training match. .Same as the 3 previous Friendlies I’ve watched.Good technique /pace.Play pass and move while trying to work an overlap outwide (right or left )..
Roberts pulled his hamstring trying to get away from someone pulling his shirt in the Motherwell game at CP.
South of Tunis 4.04pm
I know they have been friendlies but what is your opinion of what you have saw ? Do we have a chance based on what you have witnessed ?
Might suit us not have a lot of the ball all the time :-)
FERGUSSLAYEDTHEBLUES on 3RD FEBRUARY 2018 12:00 AM
TONTINE TIM on 2ND FEBRUARY 2018 10:37 PM
What decade did all the bigotry begin and why. Was it that we were getting some success on the field or ideas above our station, possibly both
*That’s a good question and I could say both but not initially, first of all there has to be an understanding of Scotland itself at the time of our formation, so this is a wee bit long, for those not interested just do your Dionne Warwick and “scroll on by”.
The spread of Gutenberg’s printing press (which can now be seen as a 16th century version of social media) provided the means for the rapid dissemination of religious materials in the vernacular resulting in the reformation; the largest groups were the lutherans and calvinists.
The Catholic Church responded with a Counter-Reformation initiated by the Council of Trent. Much work in battling protestantism was done by the well-organised new order of the Jesuits. In general, Northern Europe, with the exception of most of Ireland, came under the influence of protestantism. Southern Europe remained Catholic.
Unfortunately for us Scots the presbyterian denominations in Scotland hold to the theology of calvin, brought to our shores by knox and his immediate successors and the presbyterian church government was ensured in Scotland by the Acts of Union in 1707 which created the uk
presbyterianism is also the largest protestant denomination in the North of Ireland and the second largest on the island of Ireland as a whole after the Anglicans and was brought by Scottish plantation settlers to Ulster who had been strongly encouraged to emigrate by James VI of Scotland, later James I of Ireland and England, an estimated 100,000 Scottish presbies moved to the northern counties of Ireland between 1607 and 1690.
With the alleged Glorious Revolution of 1688 the Church of Scotland was finally unequivocally recognised as a presbyterian institution by the monarch due to Scottish presbie support for the aforementioned revolution, including the Massacre of Glencoe FGS, and the Acts of Union 1707 between Scotland and England guaranteed the Church of Scotland’s form of government.
So that gives you an idea of the country when the club was first founded and even today in this era of enlightenment it is seen as still one of the most anti-Catholic countries in the Western world, while the rest including Canada and the USA where the presbyterian denomination was taken to mostly by Scots and Scots-Irish, have all moved on.
Organised football in Scotland began in 1873 with the formation of the SFA and for the next 17 years games, mostly friendlies or cup ties including their own Scottish Cup as well as local ones Glasgow Cup, East of Scotland Shield etc were played under their auspices.
However, the Football League which was formed in 1888 was done in response to the professionalization of football down there in 1885 with a regular diet of league fixtures replacing the haphazard arrangement of friendlies. Many Scottish players, known as the Scotch Professors, moved to the English league clubs, as they still do, to receive the relatively high salaries on offer.
This prompted Scottish clubs into thinking about forming their own league and in March 1890, the club secretary Peter Fairly of Renton, who were one of the founder members of the SFA and who had also lost James Kelly and Neilly McCallum from their World Championship side to us as well as a host of other players to english clubs, wrote to thirteen other clubs inviting them to discuss the organisation of a league.
All of the clubs accepted the invitation, except Clyde and amateur club Queen’s Park, the Spiders were the oldest organised club in Scotland and had played a key role in the development of football and were opposed to the league because it would lead to professionalism and eliminate many of the smaller clubs, the Bully Wee joined a year later.
The Scottish Football League was inaugurated on 30 April 1890, only 2 years and 7 months after our founding and less than 2 years after our first game, with future Celtic president John Glass, who more than any other was seen as the man to drag Celtic and Scottish football into the professional world appointed secretary of the fledgling organisation much to the disdain of the SFA who IMHO have had it in for us ever since. We were a well run club with a management structure well before our time which would only be replicated when the Bunnet arrived.
Incidentally, in the inaugural season deidco and Dumbarton were level at the top of the league on 29 points, they then drew 2–2 in a play-off match, but no further thought had been given to separating teams by another method and the championship was shared. So one of their famed 54 titles was only a half one, that makes if 53 ½ or going for 54 ½ lol.
Unfortunately, the SFA retained control of the game, including the governance of football clubs through a system of club licence awards. All SFA member clubs are assessed annually in four areas (grounds, first team support, youth team support, and governance) and, if appropriate, awarded a licence at gold, silver, bronze or entry level. As of January 2015, gold-level licences have been awarded to only two clubs, us and the Hibbees. And yet that mob still have too much control, the tentacles of the craft are far and wide.
If you know your history will tell us that we were exceptional successful in the early days of the game, as such the SFA in an effort to stop us and with the failure of their champion Queens Park as well as the demise of other early big guns, Dumbarton, Renton, Vale of Leven etc, searched for a club to halt our amazing success.
Third Lanark were first looked at but with only 1 title to their name were discarded and then a wee non sectarian kinning park club whose 1st chairman James Henderson was a fairly decent man renowned for his work among the poor children of Govan and the club and had a notable record of helping charitable causes including Catholic charities, matches played for the benefit of the unemployed and donations made to help the Unemployed Relief Fund in the Kinning Park area. He also, and the club, had good relations with the fledgling club from the east end and sent a team over there for their inaugural game, went on a successful run culminating in 4-in-a-row.
So they were to be our challengers, unfortunately for the good people in Scotland, and there are many, James Henderson a former Baillie and President of the Scottish Football League. who always championed fair play passed away and was succeeded by former Lord Provost of Glasgow primrose-ure who was an outspoken anti-Catholic and publicly pledged deidco to the former knights templar cause. He was a very smart person and like many future holders of the ‘loving cup” like lawrence and bader recognised the potential of the bigot pound.
That and the tragic loss of the 21 year team manager, with a 66% winning record including 8 Championships and 1 Scottish Cup, in the murky waters of the Clyde, along with the coxswain and the return of the plantation descendants to Govan emerged a sectarian policy that has scarred the country ever since. 4 years later primrose-ure would follow willie winton into his grave, albeit a bit too late for the country.
So to answer your question, initially it was all about control and we assumed it early on in our existence but unfortunately, bigotry took over.
I get the point about players suffering mysterious injuries,but not every player comes off when the get an injury. Many play through the pain,then find themselves unable to start the games after that.
It’s not that long ago this site was giving Charlie Mulgrew pelters for walking off wi an injury. Maybe more of our players should turn into big fearties and chuck it,it might make our injury list short-term rather than long-term.
JOHN51 @ 3:45
That was a very sobering read
don’t take for granted anything you have
HH
SFTB/Starry Plough et al
Way way too broad a sweep re 1976-2000. Lesser times? Most of the 1990s for sure but the 1980s, I do not think so. Champions in 1981,1982, 1986, 1988, (not to mention earlier in1977 and 1979), Cup Winners (1977) 1980, 1985, 1988, (Centenary Year) and 1989 and League Cup winners in 1983. European Cup quarters in 1982, and beaten by Real Madrid, who themselves hadn’t won the Big Cup since 1966. Not sure what your bar for success was but I am guessing it was a whole lot higher than than the one on the pitch. Hail Hail!
BMCUWP 4.13pm
I was going off my head and shouting at the telly Frantic07ally at Kris Ajer trying to play on yesterday, he could hardly walk never mind run, probably didn’t help his injury, still think Ian Durrants injury at Aberdeen wasn’t helped by his leg “hanging” while being carried off the park, am all for Kris Ajer trying to stay on the park but surely any player knows when they canny carry on… why hamper the team by trying
tontine tim
hope its the same sandy? his brother passed away a few months ago.
his sister lives in the vale betty, she was over last week, dont know her married name.
Apologies, my last post referencing wee Durant was Ajer by not going down and getting stretchered off might have made his injury worse
Phyllis Dietrichson
Thanks for that horse Seddon
Just won at 11/4.
Was 7s last night. Won easily
Celtic Mac
“Way way too broad a sweep re 1976-2000. Lesser times? Most of the 1990s for sure but the 1980s, I do not think so.”
You are right it is a broad generalisation. I will plead 2 factors in mitigation. One, it was already a long post and most readers get bored with my guff beyond paragraph 2. Secondly, I did specify in terms of European relevance.
We did have great Celtic times domestically and the Frank McAvennie period will be one of my cherished memories. I got to see my favourite player, Davie Hay, manage the club (and get treated abominably). But despite the great individual matches of real Madrid, Ajax and Sporting, we rarely troubled the scorers in Europe.
Compared to the 66-74 period and the 2000-2018 period, our European footprint was negligible.
gerryfaethebrig
Later on Saturday I watched the Arsenal v Everton game.
The comparison was astonishing.
The Arsenal pitch has always been superb but that day it looked sensational.
Pitches of that standard are in fact “standard” throughout the EPL.
While our “top” league has Kilmarnock & Hamilton etc.
By comparison, our game is cash starved & poorly governed.
Those two factors are not unconnected either.
HH