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  3. Tallybhoy on

    desertbhoy

     

     

    Heard something but not had it confirmed.

     

     

    Off to make inquiries.

     

     

    HH!!

  4. 16 roads - Neil Lennon walks on water. on

    TBJ – One day I dream of heading to your part of the globe to drop a few trips and listen to the trance sounds on the beach.

     

     

    ClimbAnyMountainCSC.

     

     

    Jammy isn’t the word for you!

  5. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    16 Roads,

     

     

    Am no legend :(( Ye all are though ! Every one of you !

     

     

    Macjay,

     

     

    Just using moonhowler as a compliment. For me it applies to anyone who chats during the night, regardless of their opinion.

     

     

    Although have been tempted to exclude GCT, then he comes in with some change of heart a day later. And of course, he’ll have summit to say about me lumping him in with us other opinionators.

     

     

    Which makes him the biggest Moonhowler of them all :)))) Which he is :)))

  7. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    Summa

     

     

    OCD? Dentists?

     

     

    FFS. Good luck next time you go for the check up.

     

     

    Take it you’ve been relying on the same dentist for several years because you “trust ” em.

     

     

    Sammy doesn’t use dentists. He just yanks teeth out if they become an issue and let’s them re-grow. :)))

  8. desertbhoy on

    16 roads.. Just go to Kazakhstan, cannabis plants grow at the roadside.. Can’t comment on the music though

  12. The Boy Jinky on

    16 roads

     

     

    The beaches of north goa are a haven for yoga and trance music.

     

    The hemp cafe.. the love shack.. bob marleys bar.

     

     

    Took a picture of a big beach shack on arbolim … bright coloured ribbons and sheets…didnt go in cos of the name.. i know they didnt mean to offend but a place called ” people” … im not one of them

  13. 16 roads - Neil Lennon walks on water. on

    Desertbhoy – Sounds like heaven that place does.

     

     

    Bet there is no fighting and arguing over there.

  14. DontPatmadug on

    N THE latest Rangers ructions, it can be a dizzying business attempting to figure out who sides with who.

     

     

    Yet, ultimately Charles Green, Ally McCoist, Craig Mather, Brian Stockbridge and Walter Smith can all be lumped together. To a greater or lesser degree, they can all stand charged with being complicit in the fact that Rangers’ affairs have been mismanaged to the point where once more we are talking about financial catastrophe being visited on the club.

     

     

    Fifteen months on from the old Rangers being liquidated, there are siren voices saying the current incarnation could be only months away from sliding into administration. No lessons seem to have been learned, no ways seem to have been mended. It beggars belief that despite a share flotation that reportedly brought in £22 million, season-ticket sales of £13m and other commercial income of around £3m, the club sits with only £10m in the bank, as financial director Stockbridge admitted in a meeting with fans on Thursday.

     

     

    The cash burn simply doesn’t square with the fact that Rangers are a third-tier club, newly promoted from the bottom rung. It starts to do so, mind, when you consider Rangers are also a club where the manager’s annual salary is believed to be £760,000, where two chief executives could pocket more than a million in just over a year and where bonuses to executives exceeded £2m for the feat of winning the Third Division title with a £7m wage bill that ran to 28 times the budget of any of their competitors.

     

     

    Rangers were supposed to make their way up to the top flight banking cash so, once there, they could make an assault on Celtic’s hegemony. Instead, they’ve squandered any potential reserves for no other reason, it seems, than the enrichment of certain individuals and to feel mighty despite the small-time environment in which they must operate. The hubris of former owner David Murray lives on as, it would seem, does the reckless overspend of Craig Whyte.

     

     

    With good grace, McCoist didn’t shirk any questions on his part in the potential latest downfall. Asked on Friday if it would be alarming if the club were spending money they couldn’t afford, he said: “It would be, but Brian said the club are all right in that respect. It’s not losing money every month. Some months they are actually making money.”

     

     

    McCoist was defensive on whether the club living beyond its means was directly linked to the player budget that he presented as a must, despite the modest nature of the challenge confronting Rangers. The club’s infrastructure and size made it inevitable their cost base would be way beyond other clubs in the third and fourth tiers. That is reasonable. But McCoist has recruited players, and a whole team of them now, on salaries that no club outside of Celtic would dare contemplate.

     

     

    “Well the wages are down again this year, I know that,” he said. “Craig [Mather, who replaced Green as chief executive] said since the start of last season we’ve also lost ten players. We’ve lost six since last year, counting [Dorin] Goian and [Carlos] Bocanegra and boys like that. We brought in eight. It’s my job to get the best team I possibly can on the park for the fans in an effort to win the league and any other competition we are in.”

     

     

    With Green telling him that he would be given £10m to spend on players in the event of a successful share issue, McCoist is entitled to be confused. However, McCoist cannot now be in any way be confused by the message being shouted out by former Ibrox directors. He admitted that the fact Alastair Johnston and Dave King have both spoken about the possibility of Rangers going into administration – King stating this could occur by Christmas – “would have to be a concern”.

     

     

    “I definitely have a healthy respect for those two gentlemen, not just in the business sense but as Rangers men,” McCoist said. He accepted the pair had previously called much right on the affairs of Rangers, mostly in calling out Whyte. “Absolutely, there’s no doubt about it,” he said. “You’d have to say, in particular, those two gentlemen have voices that should be listened to.”

     

     

    Yet if administration did happen, McCoist would not feel guilty about the costs he has racked up in conducting the club’s football business. “In the sense that I’ve not been told that we’re doing anything wrong,” he said. “If someone had said ‘don’t do that because you’re going to put the club at risk’, I would absolutely not do it. But I can’t act on something that I don’t have any knowledge of. So if someone said to me your wage bill is too high or your staff is too high, then that’s fine I can react to that and do something accordingly. But until that comes, it’s not my gig.”

     

     

    The Rangers manager has said he would be willing to take a drop in wages but remains optimistic there won’t come a time that he will be agreeing to cut them with an administrator. “I’m not passing the buck here onto Brian Stockbridge but he is the financial director. He said there was £10m in the bank, and that not every month we were losing money, we were making money some months and there was money coming in from here and there. Rightly or wrongly, I didn’t see that I should be overly concerned about the current state. With the greatest respect, it’s maybe the board you should be asking about Dave King’s views.”

     

     

    Administration has never been mentioned by the directors, McCoist said. “I’d hope if it was on the horizon, there would be an early warning system for us this time. Not like the last time, when we got 24 hours notice. You’d like to think we’d have a fair idea and have an opportunity to perhaps do something about it.”

     

     

    Yet, even if McCoist understands the concept of cutting his cloth to suit – Queen of the South walked the third tier last season with a budget of £500,000 – he doesn’t necessarily agree with it. If told at the start of 2013 there was simply no more money to bring in players because of the need to build up profits for the long term, he said he would have found that “very disappointing” and “gone public” on such a block.

     

     

    “I would have accepted that as long as everybody had a realisation of where we were. For example, everybody is saying you should be winning cups and this that and the next thing. What we have done from last year is bring in eight free transfers. That is what these guys are. Now I am thrilled, delighted and extremely grateful these boys are coming to our club. But they are free transfers from Motherwell, Kilmarnock, Southend, you know, but they are going to make us a better football team. But we are miles and miles and miles away from where we want to be.

     

     

    “With the greatest respect, the boys from last year did not have the winning mentality in terms of winning cups. We have got one or two now that have in terms of [Ian] Black, [Cammy] Bell and [Jon] Daly but they have not won trophies religiously through their career. I can understand the [Queen of the South] argument, I don’t necessarily agree with it in the respect I believe our club is different. We are expected to win every game, no matter where we are or what state the club is in. I can understand totally the logic behind Queen of the South, but with the greatest of respect, if someone said you have their budget to win the league I would have said: ‘Right, fine, as long as everyone knows that is the case then let’s get on with it.’ It is not my decision.”

  16. The Boy Jinky on

    Summa

     

     

    When you mention flares. .. is it the baggy troosers …. the laminate… or the smoke bombs ;)

  18. 16 roads - Neil Lennon walks on water. on

    TBJ – Some experience to visit that part of

     

    this earth.

     

     

    I did consider going there when I had a few quid about me.

     

     

    Fair play to ya.

  21. Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. C'mon Wee Oscar. on

    ‘I KNOW NOTHING’

     

     

    Rangers have recruited heavily, bringing in Jon Daly, Steven Smith, Cammy Bell, Richard Foster, Nicky Law and Nicky Clark. Picture: SNS

     

    8 comments

     

    By ANDREW SMITH

     

    IN THE latest Rangers ructions, it can be a dizzying business attempting to figure out who sides with who.

     

     

     

    Yet, ultimately Charles Green, Ally McCoist, Craig Mather, Brian Stockbridge and Walter Smith can all be lumped together. To a greater or lesser degree, they can all stand charged with being complicit in the fact that Rangers’ affairs have been mismanaged to the point where once more we are talking about financial catastrophe being visited on the club.

     

     

    Fifteen months on from the old Rangers being liquidated, there are siren voices saying the current incarnation could be only months away from sliding into administration. No lessons seem to have been learned, no ways seem to have been mended. It beggars belief that despite a share flotation that reportedly brought in £22 million, season-ticket sales of £13m and other commercial income of around £3m, the club sits with only £10m in the bank, as financial director Stockbridge admitted in a meeting with fans on Thursday.

     

     

    The cash burn simply doesn’t square with the fact that Rangers are a third-tier club, newly promoted from the bottom rung. It starts to do so, mind, when you consider Rangers are also a club where the manager’s annual salary is believed to be £760,000, where two chief executives could pocket more than a million in just over a year and where bonuses to executives exceeded £2m for the feat of winning the Third Division title with a £7m wage bill that ran to 28 times the budget of any of their competitors.

     

     

    Rangers were supposed to make their way up to the top flight banking cash so, once there, they could make an assault on Celtic’s hegemony. Instead, they’ve squandered any potential reserves for no other reason, it seems, than the enrichment of certain individuals and to feel mighty despite the small-time environment in which they must operate. The hubris of former owner David Murray lives on as, it would seem, does the reckless overspend of Craig Whyte.

     

     

    With good grace, McCoist didn’t shirk any questions on his part in the potential latest downfall. Asked on Friday if it would be alarming if the club were spending money they couldn’t afford, he said: “It would be, but Brian said the club are all right in that respect. It’s not losing money every month. Some months they are actually making money.”

     

     

    McCoist was defensive on whether the club living beyond its means was directly linked to the player budget that he presented as a must, despite the modest nature of the challenge confronting Rangers. The club’s infrastructure and size made it inevitable their cost base would be way beyond other clubs in the third and fourth tiers. That is reasonable. But McCoist has recruited players, and a whole team of them now, on salaries that no club outside of Celtic would dare contemplate.

     

     

    “Well the wages are down again this year, I know that,” he said. “Craig [Mather, who replaced Green as chief executive] said since the start of last season we’ve also lost ten players. We’ve lost six since last year, counting [Dorin] Goian and [Carlos] Bocanegra and boys like that. We brought in eight. It’s my job to get the best team I possibly can on the park for the fans in an effort to win the league and any other competition we are in.”

     

     

    With Green telling him that he would be given £10m to spend on players in the event of a successful share issue, McCoist is entitled to be confused. However, McCoist cannot now be in any way be confused by the message being shouted out by former Ibrox directors. He admitted that the fact Alastair Johnston and Dave King have both spoken about the possibility of Rangers going into administration – King stating this could occur by Christmas – “would have to be a concern”.

     

     

    “I definitely have a healthy respect for those two gentlemen, not just in the business sense but as Rangers men,” McCoist said. He accepted the pair had previously called much right on the affairs of Rangers, mostly in calling out Whyte. “Absolutely, there’s no doubt about it,” he said. “You’d have to say, in particular, those two gentlemen have voices that should be listened to.”

     

     

    Yet if administration did happen, McCoist would not feel guilty about the costs he has racked up in conducting the club’s football business. “In the sense that I’ve not been told that we’re doing anything wrong,” he said. “If someone had said ‘don’t do that because you’re going to put the club at risk’, I would absolutely not do it. But I can’t act on something that I don’t have any knowledge of. So if someone said to me your wage bill is too high or your staff is too high, then that’s fine I can react to that and do something accordingly. But until that comes, it’s not my gig.”

     

     

    The Rangers manager has said he would be willing to take a drop in wages but remains optimistic there won’t come a time that he will be agreeing to cut them with an administrator. “I’m not passing the buck here onto Brian Stockbridge but he is the financial director. He said there was £10m in the bank, and that not every month we were losing money, we were making money some months and there was money coming in from here and there. Rightly or wrongly, I didn’t see that I should be overly concerned about the current state. With the greatest respect, it’s maybe the board you should be asking about Dave King’s views.”

     

     

    Administration has never been mentioned by the directors, McCoist said. “I’d hope if it was on the horizon, there would be an early warning system for us this time. Not like the last time, when we got 24 hours notice. You’d like to think we’d have a fair idea and have an opportunity to perhaps do something about it.”

     

     

    Yet, even if McCoist understands the concept of cutting his cloth to suit – Queen of the South walked the third tier last season with a budget of £500,000 – he doesn’t necessarily agree with it. If told at the start of 2013 there was simply no more money to bring in players because of the need to build up profits for the long term, he said he would have found that “very disappointing” and “gone public” on such a block.

     

     

    “I would have accepted that as long as everybody had a realisation of where we were. For example, everybody is saying you should be winning cups and this that and the next thing. What we have done from last year is bring in eight free transfers. That is what these guys are. Now I am thrilled, delighted and extremely grateful these boys are coming to our club. But they are free transfers from Motherwell, Kilmarnock, Southend, you know, but they are going to make us a better football team. But we are miles and miles and miles away from where we want to be.

     

     

    “With the greatest respect, the boys from last year did not have the winning mentality in terms of winning cups. We have got one or two now that have in terms of [Ian] Black, [Cammy] Bell and [Jon] Daly but they have not won trophies religiously through their career. I can understand the [Queen of the South] argument, I don’t necessarily agree with it in the respect I believe our club is different. We are expected to win every game, no matter where we are or what state the club is in. I can understand totally the logic behind Queen of the South, but with the greatest of respect, if someone said you have their budget to win the league I would have said: ‘Right, fine, as long as everyone knows that is the case then let’s get on with it.’ It is not my decision.”

  22. Tallybhoy on

    Marco Capuano.

     

     

    According to press reports here in Italy, Celtic have offered Pescara €2 million for the player. Been turned down, apparently.

     

     

    Celtic are dismissing it as ‘speculation’.

     

     

    We’ll see.

     

     

    HH!!

  24. praecepta on

    V67 – interesting article (with stats highlighting the massive influx of foreign players to the EPL).

     

     

    Star of Africa: How a middle-aged mum of six helped develop the top flight’s first ever Kenyan … the 100th country in our amazing League of Nations

     

    By Nick Harris

     

    PUBLISHED: 22:24, 10 August 2013 | UPDATED: 22:24, 10 August 2013

     

     

    Kenya will become the 100th foreign country to have an international player appearing in the Premier League when Victor Wanyama makes his Southampton debut.

     

     

    And he can thank a middle-aged mum of six, who has spent her working life as a sports mistress in the impoverished Nairobi school system, for making it possible.

     

     

    Wanyama, 22, shot to international prominence last November when he opened the scoring for former club Celtic in their extraordinary 2-1 Champions League group stage win over Barcelona.

     

     

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2389078/Victor-Wanyama-make-Southampton-debut-Premier-League-Kenyan.html#ixzz2bdrQaeCF

     

    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  25. Celticbhoy on

    dontpatmadug

     

    I posted the link to this earlier thanks for posting the whole article. I thought the 2nd and 5th paragraphs are not only outline the truth but cut to the chase in that it is greed and a superiority complex which has allowed the spivs to get away with bring them down again. The superiority complex is as we know not confined to the suits and management but held by their fans.

     

    Cheers mate

  26. DontPatmadug on

    The Boy Jinky

     

    08:01 on

     

    11 August, 2013

     

     

    I would describe him as duplicitous.

  27. The Boy Jinky on

    MWD

     

    These journos need to take a look at what’s happened to the British Broadcasting Corporation… writing stories like that will lead to banishment from the big hoose

  30. Jobo Baldie on

    Good morning friend from a damp and drizzly East Kilbride.

     

     

    Off later this morning for a wee 2 day trip darn sarf with Mrs Baldie. So tomorrow morning’s weather report will come from….?

  31. DontPatmadug on

    Celticbhoy

     

    08:09 on

     

    11 August, 2013

     

     

    Agreed. Alistair seems to be in damage limitation mode.

     

     

    He never knew they were lighting their cigars with 50 pound notes in the boardroom.

  32. The Boy Jinky on

    Dontpat

     

     

    There’s a lot of words I would use to describe Alistair. .. most would get me banned from here as well as requiring a visit to confession ;)

     

     

    So… yours is a good description

  33. ASonOfDan on

    Morning,

     

     

    ” I could raise £10 million tomorrow for rangers but the club dont need it.”

     

     

    Charles really is a Legned…

  35. The Boy Jinky on

    Jobo

     

     

    Enjoy your trip sarth … have you got your visa… foreign currency .. inoculations. … square sausage ;),

  37. FAVOURITE UNCLE on

    Administration has never been mentioned by the directors, McCoist said. “I’d hope if it was on the horizon, there would be an early warning system for us this time. Not like the last time, when we got 24 hours notice. You’d like to think we’d have a fair idea and have an opportunity to perhaps do something about it.”

     

     

    FAT SALLY’S mooth.take it he never comes on here.

  38. DontPatmadug on

    The Boy Jinky

     

    08:13 on

     

    11 August, 2013

     

     

    Was going to add bastard to it but it is Sunday :)

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