In terms of pure logic, Ally McCoist was quite right to insist, “I can also assure every Rangers fan I will not be accepting any talk of stripping the club of titles. That is something we will never accept and everyone at the club shares this view.”
It is outrageous to put Sevco in the position of accepting Rangers are stripped of previous league titles while due process has not been carried out. The very fact that the SFA and SPL are negotiating with Sevco over this matter is reason enough for McCoist to issue a firm rebuttal. Quite simply, if the authorities are prepared to negotiate, their offer should be rejected until the last moment possible, at which point they will be meekly accepted.
The SFA and SPL must allow due process to take place and remove any need for Sevco to rubber-stamp a judgement on Rangers. It is wholly inappropriate to discuss or agree the consequences of a guilty verdict, or subsequent punishments (losing titles won illegally is not a punishment), until a verdict is recorded.
Due process, please, nothing more and nothing less. If Rangers didn’t illegally register players for over a decade neither they nor Sevco have anything to worry about.
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Re Catholic Church in Spain
FWIW I wouldn’t recognise the Catholic church here in Spain as being the same faith I grew up in. I grew up believing that Christianity and Catholicism meant social justice.
Bangura for top scorer :-)
StMichaelsBhoy2
Incidentally, and apropos your name, I understand that Marks and Spencer always looked favourably on job applications from veterans of the International Brigade.
No doubt some will see that as further proof of the Jewish Bolshevik conspiracy.
ernie lynch on 23 July, 2012 at 10:41 said:
It’s utter nonsense if you’re saying the Republican government didn’t persecute the Church.
And you’d know all about contemptible propaganda.
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:40 said:
”I’m no expert on the Spanish Civil War,”
You got that bit right.
…..in other news, concerted effort from the accommodating and supportive picture editors to cast the ‘Binman’ in a defiant stance…………..the effect they are hoping for is probably Churchillian…………..but it ends up making the ‘stand-in’ look more Mussolini than anything else……..
They love their team, badly.
HHH.
Steinreignedsupreme on 23 July, 2012 at 10:44 said:
So a government that persecuted Carholics WASN’T persecuting their parishioners?
Brilliant!
The Catholic Church in Spain sided with the wealthy and powerful for generation after generation before the civil war started.
The idea that they had any difficulty with supporting Franco, that it somehow went against the grain of their thinking, is nonsense.
ernie lynch on 23 July, 2012 at 10:50 said:
I at least am aware I’m not an expert. Unlike you.
Flying back to Glasgow for a long weekend on Wed 1st August to attend a wedding.
Is it confirmed our game against Helsinki is defo on the Wednesday? No info on the website or info about buying tickets.
Hands up. Sorry. I may have inadvertently given James Traynor the idea for his SFL/Champions League ramble today.
It goes back some time, perhaps April, when there was the clear prospect of a split in the SPL clubs on the place of a Newco being admitted directly into the SPL.
I suggested that, should the SPL Board elect to admit a Newco, those clubs who had opposed it – I thought Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd at the time – might resign from the SPL summarily, and join the SFL.
At that point, the SFA would have a difficult judgement to make in determining which of SPL or SFL1 would have a right to claim to be the top league in the country and therefore access to European competitions – it is the national association that nominates its particpants. On the one hand, an SPL league of 6 or 7 massively indebted clubs plus a Newco that had no right in the Game, and on the other, an SFL1 comprising well run, forward looking clubs and including the best supported teams.
Poor old Jim, as he is apt to, has taken a moot idea, inverted the premise, and made a fool of himself with it.
KevJungle – Murdo..10 men Championees..1979 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:39:
Does that mean you haven’t seen Mills play?
SydneyTim on 23 July, 2012 at 10:39 said:
I agree. I was really wondering though, why Neil (only 2 months ago) said he expected 3 or 4 quality signings…. if he knew that he didn’t have anything like the required budget. (or any budget for that matter…)
ernie lynch on 23 July, 2012 at 10:54 said:
Now who’s spouting propaganda?
Typical lefty, class war nonsense.
Kjam -BBC says game is Tues 31, but what do they kno?
They still have the Horribles in the SPL.
Here comes the Blue Knights again…
Today, it has been rumoured that Brian Kennedy has bid £5.6M for a 51% stake in Charles Green’s Rangers. This would make Kennedy the majority shareholder, allowing him to render Green fairly powerless, should he choose to.
The last Rangers fans heard from Kennedy, his company’s sponsorship deal with the SPL aside, was during a solemn faced interview with Paul Murray where the two outlined their belief that they no longer had enough time to put a CVA in place to avoid liquidation, and were thus out of the bidding entirely.
Be that as it may, Kennedy famously said that he would be the “last man standing” at the end of this whole ordeal, and it looks as though he’s sticking to his word.
This marks the second fresh investment offer to the club this week after Englishman Craig Mather received a 10% stake in the company in exchange for £1M.
While such investment is certainly not to be discouraged, it would appear as though Imran Ahmad, non-executive director, was being pretty flexible with the truth a couple of weeks ago when he estimated the value of the club at £50M. A few simple sums show that this is clearly not the case, if you only need £1M to gain 10%.
It appears as though Brian Kennedy has cottoned on to this too, and with the management struggling to live up to their promise of £30M of investment by the end of July, they could well be considering this new offer from the Sale Sharks owner.
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:52:
Franco’s regime slaughtered thousands of innocent people who did not adhere to the Fascist ideology.
Defending the Catholic Church’s support of Franco with the lame excuse that it had ‘no choice’ is pi55-poor.
Steinreignedsupreme on 23 July, 2012 at 11:03 said:
In your opinion.
The Church was faced on one side with a regime that was murderimg Catholics, confiscating and destroying Church property including churches, and on the other with a group who would not have a policy of persecuting the Church.
It’s a no-brainer really.
The Battered Bunnet on 23 July, 2012 at 10:56 said:
If I remember correctly, Ernie wanted us in Div 3, so are you not jumping on his bandwagon :-)
HH
CRC
CRC
Like Craigy Bhoy`s wealth, you are off the scale 0:-)
Re. Matt Mills
Niel also wanted Kelvin Wilson. He tracked him for long enough and got him, none of you rate him.
Mills wanted to go elsewhere, thats how it goes sometimes.
Im sure theyre looking at others
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:58 said:
ernie lynch on 23 July, 2012 at 10:54 said:
‘Now who’s spouting propaganda?’
Which of those two sentences are you disagreeing with?
From what sources did you acquire your understanding of the Spanish Civil war?
St Michaelsbhoy2
If you are not an expert, how do you know that ernie isn`t?
I met a workmate today who is a diehard RFC fan from NI.
He shares my belief that before RFC do anything, they have to identify just who RFC are and it isn’t CG’s group.
RFC followers, must accept the death of the club they once loved and start off again, from scratch. No transfer of assets. No attempts to shoe-horn them back into the topflight again. No links to the oldco.
The oldco has been shown to be wholly corrupt, and wholly incompetent.
Why on earth are certain fans clinging onto hope that CG’s mob are the best hope for the future? CG’s group won’t survive. CG has no real plans to revive RFC.
RFC have not reached rock-bottom yet.
Unfortunately my workmate, like many others, still holds CW to be wholly to blame. Indeed, he stated that certain people back in NI are shaping up to hunt CW down and it isn’t to thank him.
Rock bottom must include acceptance that the SDM regime was wholly corrupt and they must relinquish trophies won in his era.
Still a long way go drop yet….
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 23 July, 2012 at 11:07 said:
”It’s a no-brainer really.”
Mmm.
@ Dontbrattbakkinanger
Thanks, I have just seen that, hope they are wrong, would love to make the game. I have an invitation for dinner that I am holding back on. Might just call the ticket office and see what information they can give me.
I am based in Catalonia so not going to get involved in a discussion about Franco, think I might be a tad biased.
Jungle Jim on 23 July, 2012 at 11:11 said:
Im not a great footballer, but I know Kirk Broadfoot isn’t either.
What do you think?
We’ve seen the consequences of a footballing authority in Scotland using an independent body recently,whilst the objectivity is welcome efforts should be made to make sure ibrox does not get the chance to undermine it and ultimately you would think the SPL was big n ugly enough to administer its own rules.
There’s a lot of angry little men always spoiling for a squabble on CQN.
This is a common ignorant mantra espoused almost daily: My perception of history is right; but your interpretation makes you a fool………
Tedious.
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 23 July, 2012 at 11:07:
“It’s a no-brainer really.”
Thanks for the explanation.
BIG-CUP-WINNERS on 23 July, 2012 at 11:14 said:
I think you’re talking crap mate, you fool!
;-)
Stmichaelsbhoy
That shows that you DO know something about football 0:-)
Big-Cup winners
That is one of the aspects of CQN that makes it special.
Perhaps naive of me, but why would anyone have multiple monikers?
Just two wee things [ from a possible list of thousands] re the Church in Spain..
The Church fully supported the Nationalist line re who destroyed Guernica . They lied and lied..
Throughout 1936 the Church constantly declared that there were no German soldiers in Spain . It lied and lied.
tomtheleedstim on 23 July, 2012 at 11:17 said:
BIG-CUP-WINNERS on 23 July, 2012 at 11:14 said:
I think you’re talking crap mate, you fool!
;-)
Good morning to you too !!!
someone said we dont need a centreback rather we need a play maker and forward. dont agree, we could do with all three to be honest, but if pushed it has to be a centre back of quality. a centreback of quality pushes your whole team 10 to 15 yards up the pitch which increased you chance to close other teams down, winning more ball and create more chances, further up the pitch and it makes it harder for teams to pass through you. a quality centreback organises the backline and makes your team more difficult to score against. the ajax game highlighted the time and space afforded to them from the whole team. a quality centreback and, in my opinion, the return of kayal who dictates the tempo in the middle would see us placing more pressure on teams and close the pitch down quicker. we have goal scorers in our team but if they are not getting the ball in and around the box what can be expected of them. the gap between defence, midfield and attack needs closed, we already had the midfielder we have goal scorers, the missing link for me is the commanding centre back of real quality. but that will cost money in transfer fee and/ or wages, if we can only afford 1 quality playerer it has to be a centre back
The spanish Civil War with such distinguished fighters as
El Quinto Regimento
Thälmann Battalion
Abraham Lincoln Brigade
And my favourite…
‘Euzko Gudarostea’