In terms of pure logic, Ally McCoist was quite right to insist, “I can also assure every Rangers fan I will not be accepting any talk of stripping the club of titles. That is something we will never accept and everyone at the club shares this view.”
It is outrageous to put Sevco in the position of accepting Rangers are stripped of previous league titles while due process has not been carried out. The very fact that the SFA and SPL are negotiating with Sevco over this matter is reason enough for McCoist to issue a firm rebuttal. Quite simply, if the authorities are prepared to negotiate, their offer should be rejected until the last moment possible, at which point they will be meekly accepted.
The SFA and SPL must allow due process to take place and remove any need for Sevco to rubber-stamp a judgement on Rangers. It is wholly inappropriate to discuss or agree the consequences of a guilty verdict, or subsequent punishments (losing titles won illegally is not a punishment), until a verdict is recorded.
Due process, please, nothing more and nothing less. If Rangers didn’t illegally register players for over a decade neither they nor Sevco have anything to worry about.
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I am NL in NZ Tauranga on 23 July, 2012 at 09:36 said
“fear of one extreme was a factor in people moving to another extreme Nazism”
“agitating red Russian Jews”
These comments are straight from the Nazi handbook and are trotted out by apologists, sympathisers or by former nazis who want to reinvent their past. Repeating them on here with the solitary caveat that it’s what you were told by a German who was part of that regime,( passively or not) doesn’t make them even remotely true.
The “fear” that you speak of was created by Dr Goebels as Propaganda Minister, just before he ordered book burnings. Culling ( or murdering if you like) of party members was a regular occurence from the start to the end & had nothing to do with “agitating red Russian Jews”.
Read some balanced accounts.
I like Kayal…
We are talking about the Rangers situation a lot and my feeling is that when it happened to Juventus, Serie A got a lot weaker,” Kayal is quoted as saying in the Daily Record. “So what can we say about the Scottish Premier League?
“However, being fair is more important than anything else and I think that for football this decision is the right one. I’m happy I’m at a clean and healthy club with a big tradition and lots of titles.”
Steinreignedsupreme on 23 July, 2012 at 09:00 said:
I totally agree with you, but we should probably note that Andrew Smith’s article is no less than expected….. from a former editor of the Celtic View.
Son of Gabriel on 23 July, 2012 at 10:17 said:
I’m confused.
Why do you want to argue with other celtic fans in the first place?
We’re all on here to voice our own opinions about the team we love yeah?
Feel the love!
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Yeah, Feel the love right enough.
I often find myself being strangled by the love. On here.
Far Too Many Molly-Coddled Pooches – CSC
Up Over Goal
Perfect.
From the rangers site, the comedy material that could be obtained from this is endless…
HAVE you had your photo taken with your favourite Rangers player, been snapped on holiday proudly wearing a Light Blue jersey or do you have a family pic you would like to share.
If so don’t delay – send it in today and we’ll make sure you have your five minutes of fame in a matchday programme in 2012/13!
Jungle Jim on 23 July, 2012 at 09:50 said:
4-0 victory, with Josh Thompson and Ra-Ra-Ramussen playing. I demand a rematch against Ajax. Our development squad will go onto conquer the CL.
Have I managed to get to the other end of the scale yet?
:-)
HH
CRC
Kev. Thanks for info
But setanta have 9pm kick off time for Celtic v Aberdeen
That’s noon Glasgow time
I do hope it’s its 9pm as the Sydney CSC agm is on at 7pm and that’s always a good drinking session and fight :))
Anyway, when will the official rubber-stamp of liquidation be applied to the huns/orcs/scum/rioters etc ?
SydneyTim on 23 July, 2012 at 09:56 said:
Saltires. Must have missed the news about us signing a center half
Rogne. Poor
Charlie ok in Spl but in Europe noooo
Wilson. A total risk
3 center halfs released
So once again where are the center halfs ?
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Hi ST
Don’t get me wrong I would like to see man mountain at CH – always room for a big no nonsense stopper who can move reasonably quickly. However, my point was that is no longer the main priority fro me this term. I feel Rogne; Charlie and Vic67 give us cover for those 2 positions (I would like to give Wilson another viewing in a settled back line to see what someone saw in him) but agree ideally we would have one more other than him as cover.
I am going to disagree with your assessment of TR & Charlie as they will learn and my hope is the time will all step up a notch this term. My sense is we will do that in the Europa sections and maybe learn more together in there than getting horsed in CL which is what would happen..again just my view that it is too early for this team.
I feel the team can really crack on in 13/14 and make an impact. If …if, we get a playmaker bedded in and a robust striker …and …and, hold onto our key players. You will remember that the route to 67 final saw a succession of semi- final slots in the lower level competitions. I feel that we are the type of club who have to just burst onto the scene and blow them away with our scintillating style before they can suss us out …or pinch our players.
A close call in Europa for me this season then …blow them all away the following season. That’s what keeps me goin’ and some Rioja and wee bits of chorizo and cheese and bread ..but not drinking yet …honest it’s only 10:30 ;-)
HH
Spanish Civil War was v.complicated [ as Civil Wars tend to be].
KevJungle – Murdo..10 men Championees..1979 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:08 said: “The talk of having the return of Fergus would have provoked bad memories for me as, Fergus was correctly booed by the MAJORITY of fans”
It was not the majority of fans, it was a minority who were egged on by the idiots on radio clyde and the daily record. A weaker chairman could have spent money he did not have and used dodgy tax schemes, perhaps you and the daily record would then have been happy!
SydneyTim on 23 July, 2012 at 10:26 said:
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Be sure to enjoy yerself M8 :o)))
P.S. Hopefully we’ll have a couple of – Mark Rieper-esque CH’s signed by then.
Hail Hail
KevJungle – Murdo..10 men Championees..1979 on 23 July, 2012 at 09:59:
“The boy Mills whom, Neil wanted would have done for me but, our beancounters deemed us not worthy of players from Leicester City.”
I don’t know the details of the Mills deal and I haven’t seen him play. What about you, do you know much about him?
Good morning rhebels, bampots and keyboard clatterers.
I’ve been away for a while and though I tried to keep up with developments via twitter, I made an effort to stay away from here – it was becoming an addiction – and anyway I can’t manage it well enough on the phone.
Anyway, just perusing the latest from the dark side and notice that some at least are now referring to ” the Milngavie training complex” rather than giving it the name of their previous Lord and Master. Tee hee.
Saltires. Hope the rain stays off your wine
I remember a few good holidays in Santa ponsa
Great place for a timsong :)
joe millers shorts on 23 July, 2012 at 10:28 said:
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Your juggling of the facts might soon see yer ghoodself being employed by the DR and RC ?
Shame on those who can’t admit the TRUTH – CSC
KevJungle – Murdo..10 men Championees..1979 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:13 said:
Matt Mills chose to sign for Bolton, his choice…
So this is the week where ole Ally and Charles ‘agree’ to accept the consequences of cheating, and in return they get a licence?
A Question of Sporting Integrity CSC
Kev
Wee quote from the player
“On 4 July 2012, Mills signed a three year contract with Bolton Wanderers for an undisclosed fee.[19] Upon joining the club, Mills said, “This deal has worked out perfectly for me, mainly because Bolton are a fantastic club. Speaking to the manager, I have got the vibe of what the place and club is about and the ambitions of getting back into the Premier League.”[20]
Tue 7/31 Beith v (The New) Rangers FC 7:00 PM – 8:45 PM Bellsdale Park
Glamour game for Newco next week!
Jungle Jim on 23 July, 2012 at 10:03 said:
Saltires
A post with which, in general, I agree. I particularly agree with the point about the increasing number of SPL teams trying to play football. I know Bournesuoprecipe criticised me for lumping people on a bandwaggon ( I partly accept theat) but those who still talk of the SPL as being full of hammer-throwing teams obviously do not go to the games
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JJ – Yep for me this is the time to break the mould of the horror fitba that the refs allow…if we forget about the obvious mibbery …time to bolster the ref ranks with some euro refs.
there is talent out there in Europe we could buy in 10 refs on a fixed term contract 2 seasons …tell them to go out and apply the rules. Assess the existing home refs agaist those standards…
the clubs/managers will eventually suss it out and the hammer throwers can go and train for the commonwealth games
we might get back the game we all love
HH
From a BBC Story, “The SPL want an independent commission to rule on whether Rangers broke the rules during previous campaigns by paying players with so-called side contracts.
They are due to hand over their findings to that commission on 10 August.”
Is this date news? There is so much info flying arround it’s hard to keep track.
Matt Mills should stick to playing bass with REM.
Kev. Hoopfully :)). And no more kelvin Wilson Cha sort of players
Stein , I have workmate who is a Leicester fan, he says mills is a big strong ball winning center half , but Seems to have had a balde falling out with his boss
Anybody any thoughts on the new signings situation? (or lack thereof?)
Neil was quoted as recently as May saying that he expected 3 or 4 quality signings – the majority of whom would be first-team ready. We have Fraser Forster, and nobody else. Additionally we have pulled out of a deal for a player who is injured…. and failed (so far) to replace this player. Further – the media are now alluding to the fact that no further signings will be arriving until after the CL qualifiers.
Given the importance of the Champions League to the club (and the opportunities for growth in terms of both finances and profile) – does this not betray a real lack of ambition? Fans thinking of renewing season tickets, celticTV subscriptions etc…. could be forgiven for thinking it does.
Just reading the quote again. The SPL are handing their findings to the commision on that day. The investigators can then take as long as they like to come to a conclusion. It really doesn’t tell us anything.
Luxcelt. Given Peter lawell recent record are you Suprised ?
I am not
Neil has no money to spend and has said so
We must sell Ki before Neil is given 2-3 Million
Yes no ambition
Steinreignedsupreme on 23 July, 2012 at 10:29 said:
KevJungle – Murdo..10 men Championees..1979 on 23 July, 2012 at 09:59:
“The boy Mills whom, Neil wanted would have done for me but, our beancounters deemed us not worthy of players from Leicester City.”
I don’t know the details of the Mills deal and I haven’t seen him play. What about you, do you know much about him?
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I know that Neil wanted the player but, I didny see our erse dragging bored make too much of an effort to get him.
P.S. If Neil is a bored puppet then, he will deserve ALL that comes to him. imo.
I’m no expert on the Spanish Civil War, and the Republican government may not have been a Communist one, but it was leftist, contained Communist elements and was supported by Stalin’s USSR.
The Republican government was anti-Catholic and murdered over 1,000 clergy and religious as well as confiscating and destroying Church property.
The idea that the Church was wrong to support Franco against its persecutor is frankly ridiculous.
We shouldn’t mythologise a government riddled with Communists and Freemasons just because they fought against a Fascist.
Neither side in the Spanish Civil War is worthy of admiration and the Church could hardly not support Franco given the way it was treated by the Republicans.
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:21 said:
‘The Catholic Church in Spain recognised the legitimacy of the Republican government.’
Well that was very magnanimous of them. Recognising the legitimacy of a democratically elected government.
‘It was after it began persecuting the Church that they sided with Franco.’
Utter nonsense. Really you’re doing no one any favours by spouting propaganda that was ridiculous when it was first propounded, it’s just contemptible now.
Starry Plough
Re: Matt Mills
Do you know if, the bored even dragged their erses up on to the stage to present a package to Mills ?
SydneyTim on 23 July, 2012 at 10:39 said:
do you know for a fact celtic have “no ambition “… They can not, and will not spend money they do not have.. seems like the sensible thing to do
weeminger on 23 July, 2012 at 10:18:
“Support neither, I would have thought. You’d have thought it easy for a church (any church) to reject all evils, not support the lesser one. I thought that was their raison d’etre.”
Correct.
Starry Plough
sorry have to leave just now.
back in 20 mins.
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 23 July, 2012 at 10:21:
“The Catholic Church in Spain recognised the legitimacy of the Republican government. It was after it began persecuting the Church that they sided with Franco.”
So the church sided with a regime that persecuted its parishioners instead. Brilliant.
The Meeja Panto continues with the deliberate and serious objective of making it appear that the Defhunct Klub are being ‘punished’…………when all that is happening is they are being help properly to account and being made responsible for their actions and therefore having to face the regulatory consequences of their own actions.
No doubt when they are finally punished we’ll hear more of the “heavy-handed policing” type comments from their jeerleaders.
Bear-faced spin………..
LuxCelt on 23 July, 2012 at 10:23:
“I totally agree with you, but we should probably note that Andrew Smith’s article is no less than expected….. from a former editor of the Celtic View.”
Aye. Normally ‘Celtic’ men like to take the irrational approach…